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A65861 The dipper plung'd, or, Thomas Hicks his feigned dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, proved, an unchristian forgery consisting of self-contradictions, and abuses against the truth, and people called Quakers : wherein Tho. Hicks hath seconded (though in envy exceeded) his brother Henry Grigg, in his babylonish pamphlet, stiled, Light from the sun of righteousness : howbeit, they have both notoriously contradicted themselves, and each other, as is hereby evinced / by G.W. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1672 (1672) Wing W1923; ESTC R20065 11,473 20

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and Spiritual Ends which the Scripture doth Alas whereto doth the Best of Men's Actions naturally tend but to Swell them with Pride and Conceit of themselves p. 37. T. H. Contrad The Heathen in many things with Respect to Morral Goodness there was something Commendable in them The Jews had a Light in them by which they might acknowledge God ought to be Worshipped contradicted again yet that Light could not direct them how that Worship should be performed so as to Please Him pag. 36 37. Anim. In the first he puts Corrupt Proud Nature for the Light in the next Contradiction the Light is Commendable for Morral Goodness in the last he Opposeth the Sufficiency of the Living Word Good Spirit or Light which was given to the Jews and this accuseth Moses and the Prophets with directing them to an Insufficient Light See Deut. 30.14 Neb. 9.20 Isa. 2.5 chap. 63.10 T. H. We Oppose not the Scriptures to the Holy Spirit but to the Light Within p. 39. which Opposing of theirs is thus explained The Scriptures are the only Rule of Faith and Practice the Light Within to be Rejected T. H. Contrad Neither will this Common Light rise above its Source Nature Vse and End wherefore Affront no more the Grace and Wisdom of God in Superadding more p. 37. Anim. See how this Man 's Plung'd One while he is setting the Scriptures in Opposition to the Light Within another while the Degree of it is so far from being to be Rejected that 't is to have more Added to which granting it follows that the Addition of more must come through the Improvement of the Less Degree and Degrees do not vary the Nature or Kind T. H. We see that the Light in one man teacheth one thing and the Light in another a direct Contrary so that there can be no certainty of Truth or Error Sin or Duty by this for that which is Sin to one man is and may be Duty to another and consequently Sin is nothing page 42. Answ. Now he renders the Light within Men so commended before as no Real Light but as Corrupt and Variable as the Erroneous Minds of Men and so Blasphemously p●ts Dark●ess for Light But how agrees this with his saying Christ is the Life and Light of Men p. 22. no Disparagement to the Light Within each Degree of Light is Serviceable to its End p. 36. we being Accountable for every Dispensation of Light according to its kind p. 13. But if there be no such thing as a Real Light to Distinguish between Sin and Duty what should they be Accountable for What Atheistical Bedlam Work has this T. Hicks made against the Light Within H. Grigg I affirm That Jesus Christ is a Man consisting of Flesh and Bone p. 30 31. Humane p. 33. T. Hicks Contrad The Son took Flesh upon him p. 35. The Word took Flesh p. 47. The Father did prepare Him a Body p. 83. Anim. There 's no small difference between Consisting of Humane Flesh and Bone and his T●king Flesh or having a Body Prepared for him As for the Son of God to consist of such a Body implies He was not before that Body but to say the Father did prepare him a Body implies That he was before and so he was and is Ascended Up where he was before Glorified with the Father c. John 6.62 chap. 17.5 Whilst T. H. expects to be Perfectly Freed from Sin in Heaven after Death p. 50. and yet questions Whether it shall be the Priviledge of any on this side Death p. 55. He is very Uncertain in his Opposing the Doctrine of Perfection as Attainable in this Life to be sure his Sinful Course here is not the Way to Heaven hereafter neither doth his Rehearsal of Personal Mistakes and Failings in Motions or Actions if granted against several Persons divers of whom I believe he wrongeth p. 26 27 28 29 52. overthrow immediate Revelation or the Doctrine of Perfection nor yet prove the Light of Christ within so Uncertain as to teach one man one thing and another a direct contrary nor yet to shew no certainty of Truth or Error Sin or Duty as Erroneously he represents it p. 42. As it is his Iniquity to Reflect upon a People in general from the Failings of some so he sheweth himself a Silly Logition to Reflect upon Principles by Personal Weaknesses though this is his kind of Logick whilst he sleights Revelation and for an Instance against it tells us of a Revelation that came from Paul Hobson who on purpose to try them spake through a Trunk yet could they not distinguish his Voice from the Immediate Voice of God p. 27. And who was this Paul Hobson Was he not an Eminent Baptist Preacher and Brother of these Men 'T is true we have heard that he served a Poor Shatter'd Whimsical Man as his Brother T.H. relates viz. That he Feigned a Voice and called as from God through a Trunk and so Deceived this Silly Man Do you think that this adds any thing to the Credit of the Baptists Cause thus to publish boastingly their Brother's Wickedness And which was Worse think you Paul Hobson the Deceiver or the Person whom he Deceived Is this a Valid Argument against Revelation And would T.H. and his Brother Will. Kiffin take it well if I should make their Brethren's Miscarriages and their Brother Hobson's said Wickedness an Argument against them as never Called of God either to Preach Dip or Plunge people in Water Judge Reader how Silly they are in these their Attempts and Work against Us. Here follows some of Thomas Hicks's Chief Assertions and Phraises viz. T.H. I. That the Light in every man is a Creature p. 6. No more then a meer Creature p. 46. Answ. Contrary to plain Scripture which saith In him was Life and the Life was the Light of Men John 1.4 This Life and Light of Christ is Divine and Increated T. H. II. Jesus Christ God Man a Person without thee p. 9. Answ. This is not Scripture Language but the Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians who profess a Personal God denying him to be an Infinite Spirit T.H. III. The Scriptures are the Word of God the Rule of Faith and Practice p. 17. Answ. Do not these men count the Scriptures the great Rule of Speaking also Then by what Rule must we believe that the Scriptures are the only Rule of Faith and Practice while they no where do call themselves so But Christ the Word the Way the Truth and the Life c. whose Divine Light being the Rule of the Understanding is therefore the Rule of Faith and Sound Judgment which only can truly open the Scriptures and bring man to the right Use and End of them T. H. IV. The Bible is the Means of our Knowing God p. 41. Answ. He Idolatrously sets up the Bible in the place of Christ For no man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son Reveals him Mat. 11.27 T. H. V. There
is an utter insufficiency in this meer Light Within to direct us the Right Way of Worshipping God this is manifest from the Great Loss the Wisest among the Heathen have been and still are under p. 55 56. Answ. Contrary to plain Scripture which saith That which may be Known of God is Manifest in them and even as they liked it not to retain God in their Knowledge he gave them over to a Reprobate Mind Rom. 1.19 20 21 28. and see Rom. 2.10 11 14 15 16. Therefore had those Gentiles truly Obey'd and Follow'd that Light and improved that Knowledge given them of God they had been preserved in his Way and Worship from Reprobation and Idolatry T. H. VI. The Apostles and all True Christians say This Body of Flesh and Bones shall Rise again p. 59 60. Answ. Where do the Apostles say these words in Scripture Let us have plain Scripture Proof or else let him not pretend the Scripture to be his Rule The Apostle's words are Thou Fool thou sowest not that Body that shall be but God giveth a Body as pleaseth him unto every Seed his own or proper Body 1 Cor. 15. vers 35 36 37 38 40 46 47 48. And the Spiritual Glorious Body is not a Carnal or Natural Body any more then the Bodies Celestial are Terrestial I have more to say to this Point elsewhere But T. H. is pleased to pass by my Question with silence which was Whether the Wheat that is grown up in the Ear be the very same that was sown T. H. VII This cannot be meant of a New Created Body because such a Body cannot be said to be either Vile or Changed p. 58. Answ. A strange Inconsistency that they shall not be New Created Bodies and yet the same Carnal or Terrestial Bodies of all how many Thousand soever be dissolved to Dust should rise compleat without a New Creation Man was formed of the Dust of the Earth What must the Dust of Dissolved Bodies be rais'd without Creating a New A strange Confusion and gross Imagination He tells us The Apostles say This Body of Flesh and Bones shall rise again When the Apostle saith Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God Where proves he then that Flesh and Bones without Blood shall But if it cannot be a New Created Body it is not the same Carnal Natural or Terrestial Body of Flesh Blood and B●ne that is given to every Seed as it pleaseth God nor is that Body the Seed spoken of 1 Cor. 15.38 as some of these men have affirmed or that shall inherit his Kingdom but a Spiritual Glorious Body such as is the Heavenly 1 Cor. 15.48 This is a Mystery hid from such Carnal Sensual Men as T. H. who cannot see any Eternal Advantage after Death unless he enjoyes it in this his Carnal Body or Earthly Tabernacle What then shall the Spiritual Existencies or Sanctified Souls reap no Benefit by the Dissolution of the Earthly Tabernacle Or is he of the mind of some of his Brethren that hold the Mortality of the Soul that it Dyeth or Sleepeth in the Dust with the Body and that it remains so till a future Day expected for the raising up of both But we are not of their Mind and Opinion in this but that there is an Immediate Separation made between the Soul and Body upon Dissolution and that the Soul is Immortal being made to subsist in Immortallity by an Unchangeable Power either in a state of Felicity or Misery according to the Image that it did bear in the World But unless you come in the Light to know the Original Life or Seed in the Soul which is Immutable you can neither rightly know your own Souls nor the two contrary Spirits Natures and Images in one of which every man will be found to receive his due Reward So that the Soul of Man is neither God nor Christ the Saviour or Redeemer as falsly it is insinuated as our Principle for we have always distinguished between the Soul and the Saviour of it the Soul being inferior to that Eternal Word or Power that Saves it see my Answer to R. Gourden entituled The Nature of Christianity c. p. 15 16 73. in which T.H. his Cavil and pretended Occasion against us is fully answered and taken off And as Tribulation Anguish will be upon every Soul of Man that doth Evil Rom. 2.9 Isa. 3.9 and God knows how to Reserve the Unjust unto the Day of Judgment to be Punished and the Wicked unto the Day of Destruction So they who truly love the Lord God with all their Souls and continue in the Way of Righteousness shall not only Cease from their Labours and Travels but receive and eternally possess this Advantage even a being ever with the Lord in his Everlasting Kingdom of Glory and Triumph So we are still of the Apostles mind expecting an Eternal Advantage after Desolution For we know that if our Earthly House of this Tabernable were disolved we have a Building of God a House not made with Hands Eternal in the Heavens for in this we groan earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our House which is from Heaven 2 Cor. 5.1 2. For me to Live is Christ and to Dye is Gain Phil. 1.21 Now whereas T. Hicks assumes the Confidence to Justifie his Work against us call'd Quakers as being Conscious to himself that he has not in any thing Mis-represented us p. 78. and that if the Quakers return him that Answer that they are Lyes and Slanders and that he is an Envious and Railing Man he shall not think himself concerned to give any Reply because he is fully satisfied c. p. 90. To this I must tell him Whether he will be pleased to Reply or no he hath shewn himself very guilty of both Lyes and Slanders and hath as plainly acted the Part of an Envious and Railing man as ever any Opposers have done against us wh● profess Religion and there are many Thousands that can witness against him for these his Lyes and Slanders against us among many more as his Accusing us viz. 1. That the Quakers account the Blood of Christ no more then an Vnholy Thing p. 9. 2. That they account the Blood of Christ which was shed no more then the Blood of a Common Thief p. 31. 3. He represents this as the Quakers words viz. That we make use of the Scriptures only to quiet and stop their Clamors that plead for it as their Rule p. 25. 4. That Fox Dewsbury Whitehead Crisp and Penn are exceedingly Corrupt in Morrals p. 43. 5. That the Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body and all future and distin●t Beings and Existences after Death p. 53 57 62. Because they say That Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God p. 56. see 1 Cor. 15.50 6. That the Quakers Opinion denies any eternal Advantage after Death p. 75. 7. He insinuates That the Quakers chief Motive and