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A70943 An answer to Mr. William Prynn's twelve questions concerning church government at the end whereof, are mentioned severall grosse absurdities, and dangerous consequences of highest nature, which do necessarily follow the tenets of Presbyteriall, or any other besides a perfect independent government : together with certaine qveries. Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648. 1644 (1644) Wing R1665; ESTC R17515 26,672 28

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in invincible ignorance or most erroniously both disciplined and doctrinated through all which they become plunged into such a desperate and inextricable misery who may and ought justly to be called unto account for it but the whole Clergie of the Kingdome a charge was laid upon the Prophet Ezekiel 3. 18. to instruct and warne the Jewes of their wicked wayes and if he failed therein the punishment was threatned to himselfe and since the Clergie in other cases as of separating themselves like a tribe of Levi usurping tithes c. appeale unto the Law why should not they with their scroules and catalogues of offences be tryed by the Law as Festus said to Paul when he sent him unto Caesar Act. 25. 12. Consider a little I intreat you the case of one upon the high way going quietly and soberly about his businesse if another should quarrell with him and say he goes the wrong way he understands not his owne businesse and so compell him with threats and violence to goe and doe as he would have him would not every traveller that beheld it take this other to be impertinent proud presumptuous and injurious and yet thus doth the world treat the despised Independents the meekest of all Christians which our Saviour sent into the world like sheep in the middest of wolves Mat. 10. 6. And as Paul then thought he ought to doe many things contrary to the Name of Jesus of Nazareth Act. 26. 9. Ioh. 16. 2. So most men thinke they doe God good service in reviling mocking and persecuting the Independents by all manner of wayes and for no other cause but that they are more scrupulous than most men seem ordinarily in desiring to keep a good conscience both towards God and man And whereas you say that Independency casts off the strongest bonds of brotherly love and care c. I beseech you consider a little better of their wayes Is it not Pauls golden rule and theirs to give no offence neither to the Jew nor to the Gentiles nor to the Church of God 1 Cor. 10. 32. to walke in wisdome towards them that are without Col. 4. 5. Is it not a speciall and peculiar drift of theirs to winne even such as are without the word by their lowly and pious conversation 1 Pet. 3. 1. Nay doe they not treat farre more humanely and Christianly all such with whom by reason of their unbeleefe or errours they can have no Church fellowship than Presbyterian or any coercive Church government does those whom they would compell by persecution to joyne with them in Church society if they put to death the bodies of their friends and consequently damne their soule for they cause them to dye as obstinate persons as heretickes what exquisite and new invented torments conjured from below the pit of hell have such in store to treat their enemies withall or how doe they follow Pauls injunction who ordered the incestuous person to be proceeded against in such a manner only as though the flesh were mortified or destroyed yet the spirit might be saved in the day of our Lord Iesus 1 Cor. 5. 5. I have purposely insisted only upon the most materiall passages of your Questions fearing I should have proved over tedious if I had done otherwise however for a further dilucidation and strengthning of what I have already said give me leave to adde a few lines more If a Pope State or Synod may impose Articles of Faith or forms of Worship prescribe men how they shall understand the Scriptures stint them to discourse on certaine portions only and how far forth from hence will follow these severall grosse absurdities 1. That it is superfluous for common people to have or read the Bible because they may not be knowne to beleeve any part thereof farther than they are dispenced withall and that may be imparted to them in such respective Treatises approved of by the Pope State or Synod 2. That it is needlesse to try the Spirits because according to such constitutions they may neither flye from them though they discover them to be erronious nor imbrace them if they be of God but must implicitly conforme to whatsoever is required of them 3. That it were no blessing for God to have given unto any man a more discerning spirit than ordinarily because though never so transcendently full of the Holy Ghost he must notwithstanding quench renounce it and submit unto their Magisteriall decrees whether they be true or false 4. If a Pope State or Synod will expect Spirituall obedience to their Decrees they must assume to them the Spirit of infallibility something above the common sphere of mankinde otherwise they take too much upon them and their brethren will be apt to examine question and judge them too when they see cause and from the opinion of their infallibility will follow that it should be needlesse for the Pope to take counsell of his Cardinalls the Statesmen to receive information from the Subjects whom they represent and from whom they receive their authority in trust only Synods of any others or for they themselves to study the points before hand or as private men but Peters Chaire the State-house or Convocation-house would ipso facto inspire and translate them with Saul amongst the Prophets what ever their condition had been before 5. It would follow that whosoever take upon them this infallibility of deciding controversies should never faile therein if their Civill power be strong enough to backe them in it because both Popes States and Synods doe alike lay claime at least require the same obedience to whatsoever they decree in defiance of one another defending themselves and doctrines more by Civill power than either right or reason it being the Sword not the Scriptures or reason which decides the controversie between carnall and persecuting people And lastly if fining imprisoning or any degree of persecuting or using of coercive meanes against such as differ from them in opinion were lawfull in the true Church or people of God the Papists or any other Heretickes because they take themselves to be the true Church were bound to use the same even against the Saints of God because they differ from them neither should it be any aggravation unto the Jewes at the day of judgement for crucifying of our Saviour and shedding so much innocent bloud of Saints which yet we finde to fall upon them heavily Matth. 23. 35. if persecution for cause of Conscience were lawfull in any people since in such case both Jewes Papists and Protestants of any sort which persecute might say The true Church had leave to persecute we held our selves to be the true Church and thought we had done God service in killing such as differed from us Joh. 16. 2. the putting of the Saints to death is but a consequence which necessarily followes the doctrine of persecution for cause of Conscience though never so erronious I will not deny but Independents ought to take advice and be