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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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do think and wold gladly perswade all others to thinke the like that our disagreing doth stande in no greate matters of importaunce but consisteth rather in thinges indifferent then in the substancial pointes of our faith Others there be all of the contrary that for lacke of good information of our beliefe take it as though we agreed in nothing no more then Iewes or Mahometistes The opinion of the first sort is not so much to be discommended as the iudgement of the last sort is vtterly to be reiected Like as we trust shall appeare by the discourse of our matter But surely neither of them both do make any waye or ouerture of any true or assured concord For if the laste be beleued none of the parties can purchasse to thē a sure standing but with the ouerthrowinge of the other whiche were to cruell to think and most horrible to be executed If the opinion of the first should be receiued it muste nedes be that many thinges should remaine vndecided whereof shoulde rise a very daungerous and hurtfull disagreing To enter then into the matter we do confesse in the whiche saying we haue much a do to contain our teares we confesse I say that as we do agree in some principal pointes of the Christian faith so do we disagree in some vthers We confesse one onely God in one selfe same essence infinitie and incomprehensible distincte in three persons consubstancials and in all pointes coequall That is to say the Father vnbegotten the sonne from euer begottē of the Father and the holy Gost proceadinge from the Father and the Sonne We confesse one onely Iesus Christe very God and very man without confusion or separation of the two natures or of the properties of the same We confesse that touching his manhood he is not the sonne of Ioseph but was conceiued by the secrete power of the holie Goste in the wombe of the blessed virgin Marie virgin we say bothe before her deliueraunce and after also We confesse his Natiuitie his lyfe his death his burying his going downe into hell his resurrection and his ascention as they be contained in the holy Gospell We beleue that he is on hyghe in heauen sett at the right hand of the Father from whens he wil not departe till he come to iudge the quicke and the dead We beleue in the holie Gost who lightneth vs comforteth vs and supporteth vs. We do beleue that there is one holie Catholike that is to saye vniuersall Churche which is the companie and congregation of Saintes out of the which ther is no saluation We do assure our selues of the free remission of our sinnes thorow the blood of Iesus Christ by the vertue wherof after the same body of ours beinge raysed from death to life shal be ioyned againe with oure soules we shall enioye with God the blessed and euerlasting life How then will some saye ▪ are not these the articles of our faith ▪ wherein then standeth the difference betwene vs First we differ in the exposition of some part of them Secondly in that it semeth to vs wherein if we be deceiued we wolde be glad to knowe it that men haue not satisfied them selues with these articles but of longe tyme haue not ceased to adde article vpon article as though Christian religion were a building that neuer would haue ende We say moreouer that such building as hath bene made of newe hath not as farre as we can vnderstand ben alway builded vpon the olde foundacion and therfore hath it rather taken awaye the grace of the olde buildinge then serued to the garnishing and setting foorth of the same And yet haue men cleaued more to those accessaries then they haue done to the principall This is the summe shortlye of that we beleue and teache but to the ende that our meaninges may be the better conceiued we will discourse the pointes more perticulerly We say then and truste to maintaine the same with all the temperaunce we can by the testimonye of holye Scriptures that the verie God in whom we ought to beleue is spoyled of his perfecte Iustice yf menne thinke to sette againste his displeasure and iuste iudgemente ▪ any 〈…〉 kinde of purgation or satisfaction in this worlde or in the other then that whole entier and perfect obedience which can not be founde in anie other but only in Iesus Christ And in like sort yf we saye that he acquiteth vs of one part of our debtes so as we pay the other we spoyle him of his perfite mercy Hereof riseth it as farre as we can iudge that beinge the question by what title we looke to be placed in heauen we muste holly and onely sticke to the death and passion of Iesus Christ oure Sauiour and redemer or els shal we be driuen to worship a straunge God which should not be perfectly either iust or mercifull And hereof also dependeth another point of no small importaunce touching the office of Iesus Christ For if he be not onely and entierly oure saluation this precious Name of Iesus that is to say Sauiour denounced by the Angell Gabriell should not properly appertaine to him likewise yf he be not our onely Prophete hauinge fully declared the will of God his Father for our saluation first by the mouth of his Prophetes and after that when the fulnesse of the tyme was come in his owne person and finally by his faithfull Apostles If he bee not also the head and spirituall kinge of oure consciences yf he be not our onely Priest for euer after the order of Melchisedech hauing by one oblation once made of himselfe whiche neuer can be made againe reconciled man with God and is nowe in heauen our onely intercessour till the ende of the worlde To make an ende if we be not holie complete in hym alone the Name and title of Messias or Christe that is to say annointed and dedicated of God the Father to that effect can not appertaine vnto him If then we can not content our selues with his onely word faithfully preached and afterward registred and truely recorded by writinge by his Prophetes and Apostles it is as muche as to dispossesse him of the degree of a prophete And in case also we wil make new lawes to binde the consciences of men we take from him the dignitie of the head and spiritual kingdome of the Church And whosoeuer shal take vpon him to offer him for the remissiō of sinnes or shal not be content to take him for our onely intercessour and aduocate in heauen betwene God man he taketh from him the dignitie of his euerlasting priesthod Thirdly we disagree in the definitiō the spring the effects of faith which we tearme with S. Paul iustifying faith by the which only we do affirme that Iesus Christ all his merites be applied to vs. Touching good workes if any man thinke that we set not by them he is muche misenfourmed for we do no more separate faith from charitie
▪ yet by the spirituall vertue of it and by the meane of a right true faith we that be on the earth and do beleue in him be made partakers of his very body and his very blood as truely and as certainlye as we see with our eyes and touche with our handes the holye visible Sacramentes of the bread and wine whiche he hath ordeyned to that effect If this declaration Madame which long tyme sithen hath bene set forth amonges my wrytynges albeit I could not yesterdaye do you to vnderstande the same may satisfie youre Maiestie I shall haue greate cause to prayse and thanke God hyghly therefore If not I will be so bolde as to desire yet so much fauour at your hand as that I may satisfie your Maiestie more fully by mouth in the presence yf it shall so be thought nedefull of such as by whom you shall thinke I may receiue knowledge and learnynge as one that hath great nede thereof and that doth desire nothynge so muche as to learne more and more whereby I may be the more hable to do your Maiestie seruice in the establishing of so holsome and so holye a concorde and agreement These be the very wordes by me spoken where with my Lordes the Prelats seme to be much offended If thereupon they will aske if Rehearsal of the wordes spoken the daye before my meaninge be to make Christe absent from his Supper I saye nay Beleuing neuerthelesse that waying the distaunce of the plates for so muste we do when the question toucheth corporall presence and considering distinctly his humanitie his bodye is as farre from the breade and wine as the highest parte of heauen is from the earth If any man will conclude hereof that we make Christe absent from his Supper we thinke him to conclude yll For this honoure do we geue to God that according to his holye Worde albeit the body of Christe be in heauen and we on the earth yet be we made partakers of his body and blood as verely in a spirituall maner and by faith as we do see the Sacramentes with our eyes and put them into our mouthes do lyue with the substaunce of them in this corporall lyfe ▪ These were my wordes For the confirmation whereof ▪ here what S. Augustine sayth in his fifte treatie vpon S. Iohn When Iesus Christ sayde you shall not alwaye haue me with you he speake of the presence of his bodye For concerninge his Maiestie his prouidence and his inuisible grace he hath fully accomplished his promyse made in an other place I wil be with you til the ende of the world But concerning the nature of man taken of him concerning that he was borne of the virgin Mary concernynge that he was crucified buried and raysed from death to lyfe this sentence is accomplished you shall not alwaye haue me with you And whye for that touching his body he was conuersaunt 40. dayes with his disciples and from the same disciples folowing him with their eyes and not going after him he ascended into heauen at the ende of 40. dayes and is no more here The same S Augustine in his Epistle to Dardanus In asmuch as he is God he is euery where in that he is man he is in heauen Vigilins Byshoppe of Trent which wrot against the heresie of the Eutychians about the yere of Christ 500. saieth The Sonne of God is deparred from vs touching his humanitie but touching his diuinitie he sayeth vnto vs I am with you till the ende of the worlde He is with vs and he is not with vs for he hath not lefte nor forsaken touching his diuinitie them that he hath left and is departed from vs touchinge his humanitie Touchinge the fourme of a seruaunte whiche he hath lift vp into heauen out of our company he is absent but touchinge the fourme of God which departeth not from vs he is present with vs. Againe when his fleshe was on the earth certainly it was not in heauen now that it is in heauen as certainely it is not on the earth and so is he absent as we do styll loke for him which we do beleue to be with vs on the earth in that he is the word to come again from h●auen corporally and fleshly And in an other place The onely Sonne of God with was also made man is conceaued in one place by the nature of the flesh and is contained in no place touchynge the nature of his diuinitie ❧ The confession asweall of the Protestants as of there aduersary partie of lait dayes assembled at Poissy in Fraunce concerning the presence of Iesus Christ in the holie Supper whereof let our Papistes chose which best liketh them and so remoue the errour of transubstantiation ❧ La Confession du dernier iour de Septembre 1561. ENtant que la Foy rend les choses promises presentes que ceste Foy prent tresueritablement le corps le sang de nostre seigneur Iesus Christ par la vertu du sainct Esprit en cestegard nous confessons la presence du corps du sang diceluy en la saincte Cene en la quelle il nous presente donne exhibe veritablement la substance de son corps de son sang par loperatiō de son sainct Esprit nous receuons mangeons spirituelement par foy cest corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de ses os chair de sa chair a fin den estre vinifiez parceuoir tout ce qui sy recoit a nostre salut ❧ Autre Confession du premier Dottobre 1561. ❧ The Confession of the one partie presented the last day of September 1561. FOr asmuch as faith maketh present the thinges that be promised and that the sam faith receaueth most assuredly the body and the blood of our lord Iesus by the vertue of the holie Spirit In this respect we cōfesse the presence of the body of the blood of the sam our lord Iesus in the holy Supper In the which he presenteth geueth exhibiteth verely the substance of his body of his blood by operatiō of his holy Spirit we receaue eat spiritually by faith the body which dead for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and to receaue all that which is requisit for our saluation ❧ The Confession of the other parte presented the first of October 1561. NOus confessons que Iesus Christ en sa saincte Cene nous presente donne exhibe veritablemēt la substāce de son corps de son sang par loperation de son sainct Esprit que nous receuons mangeons sacramentellement spirituellement parfoy ce propre corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de sesos chair de sa chair a fin den estre viuifiez parcenoir tout ce qui est requis a nostre salut Et pource que la foy appuyee sur la parolle de Dieu rend fait les choses promises presentes que par ceste foy nous y prenons vraiement de faict le vray naturel corps sang de nostre Seigneur par la vertu de son sainct Esprit en cest egard nous confessons la presence du corps sang diceluy en la saincte Cene. WE confesse that Iesus Christ in his holy Supper presenteth geueth verely offereth vnto vs the substance of his body and his blood by the operatiō of his holy Spirit And that we receaue and eat sacramentally spiritually and by faith that sam body which died for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and perceaue all that which is requiset for our saluation And because that faith grounded vpon the word of God maketh and geueth present the thinges promised and that by this faith we verely and in effect receaue the naturall body and blood of our Lord by the vertue of his holy Spirit in this respecte we confesse the presence of his body and blood in the holy Supper De la part des ministres Maistres Pierre Martyr Theodore de Beze Nic. des Gallars Augustin Marlorat Iean de Lespine Pourla part des do creurs euesques Messieurs Leuesque de Valāce Leuesque de Sees Salinac Bouteiller Despence For the parte of the ministers Masters Peter Martyr Theodore de Beze Nicolas de Gallas Augustin Marlorat Iohn de Lespine For the part of the doct bischoppes My lords Bischop of Valence Bischoppe of Sees Sallignac Bouceiller Despence WE know not whiche of the Confessions was presented by the partie of the Protestants neither which by the Bischoppes but let oure Papistes chese either and let vs geue glory vnto God whose veritie compelleth his enemies to confesse that whiche they haue long denied Arise o Lord let thy enemies be confounded Amen The end Imprinted at Edinburgh by Robet Lekprewik Cum priuilegio 1561.