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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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4.8_o and_o child_n signify_v that_o among_o they_o christ_n shall_v come_v gen._n 22._o compare_v gal._n 3._o and_o that_o many_o child_n signify_v he_o shall_v have_v many_o believer_n to_o his_o child_n rom._n 4._o and_o therefore_o have_v faith_n in_o uncircumcision_n that_o he_o may_v be_v the_o father_n of_o the_o gentile_n that_o believe_v ibid._n rom._n 4._o and_o therefore_o these_o well_o suit_v with_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n therefore_o to_o that_o gen._n 17._o touch_v abraham_n posterity_n the_o lord_n speak_v in_o that_o order_n 1_o to_o settle_v abraham_n faith_n and_o comfort_n with_o many_o privilege_n 2_o descend_v from_o temporal_n in_o the_o shell_n to_o spiritual_n in_o substance_n 3_o in_o order_n of_o nature_n 1_o abraham_n must_v have_v child_n than_o christ_n then_o come_v the_o great_a part_n or_o basis_n of_o the_o covenant_n v._o 3._o in_o christ_n i_o be_o thy_o god_n it_o be_v usual_o in_o the_o hebr._n to_o name_v last_o the_o main_a thing_n to_o be_v speak_v of_o 2_o to_o that_o rom._n 4.11_o it_o be_v plain_a to_o have_v many_o child_n be_v make_v a_o part_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o the_o reason_n be_v show_v that_o he_o may_v be_v the_o father_n of_o all_o that_o believe_v which_o be_v a_o spiritual_a thing_n 3_o to_o that_o hebr._n 6._o its_o clear_a of_o a_o additional_a promise_n by_o oath_n make_v gen._n 22._o not_o of_o the_o main_a covenant_n 3_o whether_o not_o a_o covenant_n of_o work_n as_o a_o manuscript_n will_v have_v it_o ans_fw-fr no_o so_o express_o rom._n 4.11_o obj._n he_o say_v that_o there_o gen._n 17._o it_o be_v say_v if_o they_o do_v break_v his_o covenant_n on_o their_o part_n he_o will_v be_v no_o more_o their_o god_n but_o curse_v they_o v._o 14._o ans_fw-fr 1._o the_o covenant_n of_o work_n they_o break_v long_o afore_o in_o paradise_n rom._n 5._o therefore_o be_v this_o covenant_n add_v 2_o he_o do_v not_o cut_v they_o off_o for_o break_v the_o covenant_n once_o take_v but_o if_o 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and_o the_o proselyte_n out_o of_o every_o nation_n from_o the_o uncircumcised_a for_o that_o be_v the_o difference_n matth._n 28._o go_v teach_v all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o if_o nation_n do_v not_o receive_v this_o teach_n and_o baptise_v there_o be_v the_o difference_n that_o man_n can_v put_v and_o it_o be_v as_o wide_a as_o usual_o circumcision_n do_v put_v the_o israelite_n general_o be_v evil_a and_o very_o oft_o idolatrous_a and_o it_o be_v a_o question_n to_o i_o wishly_o look_v on_o that_o place_n rom._n 3.1_o 2_o whether_o their_o keep_v the_o oracle_n of_o god_n be_v not_o put_v if_o not_o as_o the_o special_a difference_n compare_v psal_n 147._o last_o yet_o as_o the_o equal_a difference_n with_o circumcision_n the_o turk_n etc._n etc._n circumcise_v but_o have_v not_o the_o oracle_n of_o god_n and_o than_o what_o more_o be_v confer_v on_o circumcision_n then_o on_o baptism_n the_o word_n must_v go_v before_o and_o along_o with_o a_o sacrament_n or_o else_o it_o will_v 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act._n 10.37_o answ_n this_o seem_v to_o import_v some_o difference_n at_o some_o time_n and_o in_o the_o shell_n but_o not_o always_o not_o any_o in_o the_o kernel_n for_o be_v not_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n the_o doctrine_n of_o moses_n in_o substance_n john_n 5.46_o 47_o be_v not_o baptism_n as_o we_o show_v afore_o institute_v and_o administer_v mat._n 3._o etc._n etc._n while_o circumcision_n be_v not_o of_o right_a to_o end_v till_o christ_n death_n three_o year_n and_o a_o half_a after_o so_o that_o though_o in_o acts._n 10._o christ_n be_v ascend_v the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n by_o help_n of_o that_o time_n may_v imply_v moses_n law_n in_o the_o shell_n be_v to_o be_v do_v away_o yet_o at_o other_o time_n afore_o christ_n death_n it_o can_v not_o signify_v that_o moses_n law_n be_v make_v void_a signanter_n precise_o as_o mr._n t._n speak_v to_o that_o gal._n 5.3_o we_o say_v that_o as_o circumcision_n do_v signify_v that_o moses_n his_o law_n be_v to_o be_v 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thy_o body_n with_o oil_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d then_o the_o chief_a minister_n baptize_v he_o he_o mean_v dip_v he_o three_o time_n and_o at_o every_o dip_v of_o he_o down_o and_o pull_v he_o up_o again_o he_o call_v upon_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o godhead_n likewise_o he_o quote_v divers_a other_o etc._n other_o scham_n panstr_n tom._n 4._o lib._n 5._o cap._n 3._o §_o 7._o etc._n etc._n as_o the_o apostolic_a canon_n as_o they_o be_v call_v if_o the_o bishop_n or_o presbyter_n do_v not_o make_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d three_o baptism_n he_o mean_v dipping_n of_o one_o innitiate_a etc._n etc._n let_v he_o be_v depose_v zonara_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v three_o immersion_n or_o dipping_n in_o our_o innitiation_n that_o be_v in_o our_o baptism_n gregory_n the_o first_o ep._n 41._o lib._n 1._o nosautem_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v that_o we_o dip_v three_o time_n we_o signify_v the_o mystery_n of_o christ_n burial_n three_o day_n i_o have_v give_v you_o a_o touch_n be_v necessitate_v by_o m._n t._n but_o have_v no_o mind_n of_o myself_o therefore_o i_o rake_v no_o further_o into_o this_o dunghill_n though_o i_o may_v find_v abundance_n more_o of_o invention_n oil_n salt_n etc._n etc._n thus_o of_o human-invention_n second_o of_o error_n occasion_v by_o or_o wait_v upon_o anabaptist_n adult_a baptism_n 1_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o i_o own_o experience_n that_o some_o of_o they_o and_o particular_o m._n ta._n former_o a_o preacher_n and_o a_o considerable_a scholar_n have_v as_o this_o week_n lay_v down_o this_o position_n that_o nothing_o may_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o new-testament_n worship_n but_o upon_o a_o express_a command_n in_o the_o new-testament_n the_o next_o week_n or_o thereabouts_o come_v to_o i_o and_o tell_v i_o now_o sir_n say_v he_o i_o doubt_v of_o the_o lord_n day_n and_o m._n tomb_n himself_o say_v he_o will_v suspend_v his_o judgement_n about_o the_o quot_fw-la a_o pars_fw-la temporis_fw-la how_o often_o 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aetian_o poenitus_fw-la ab_fw-la alienant_fw-la do_v utter_o alienate_v or_o separate_v christ_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n from_o god_n affirm_v he_o to_o be_v create_v and_o say_v there_o be_v no_o similitude_n between_o they_o for_o they_o affirm_v god_n the_o father_n by_o aristotelian_a and_o geometrical_a syllogism_n and_o by_o this_o mean_v christ_n can_v be_v of_o god_n but_o the_o eunomian_o so_o call_v from_o he_o rebaptize_v all_o that_o come_v to_o they_o so_o epiphanius_n there_o be_v other_o most_o abominable_a thing_n there_o mention_v by_o epiphamus_n which_o i_o have_v no_o delight_n to_o once_o name_n 3._o tertullian_n martion_n tertullian_n tertul._n contra_fw-la martion_n tell_v we_o of_o the_o marcionite_n that_o be_v so_o curious_a in_o baptise_v those_o of_o ripe_a year_n that_o they_o will_v not_o baptise_v marry_v person_n but_o single_a person_n virgin_n widow_n and_o divorce_v person_n 4_o pontanus_n osiander_n bullinger_n and_o m._n aynsworth_n give_v we_o 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