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A77753 A iustification of two points now in controversie with the Anabaptists concerning baptisme: the first is, that infants of Christians ought to be baptized, with grounds to prove it, and their objections answered. With a briefe answer to Master Tombes twelve doubtfull arguments against it in his exercitation about infants baptisme. Also a briefe answer to Captaine Hobsons five arguments in his falacy of infants baptisme, being (as he saith) that which should have beene disputed by him, and Mr. Knowles, and some others; against Mr. Calamy and Mr. Cranford. The second point is, that the sprinckling the baptized more agreeth with the minde of Christ then dipping or plunging in or under the water: with grounds to prove it, and a briefe auswer [sic] to what they have to say against it. / By T.B. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1646 (1646) Wing B534; Thomason E316_23; ESTC R5282 32,062 32

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upon them to baptize them that they may be known from Turks and Heathens Now if parents had not this power then no Kingdom could ever receive the Gospel and be a holy Nation as the Jew 's was and so their priviledge would exceed the priviledge of all Christian Kingdoms for there will be children to the end of the world for till then they will marry and be given in marriage till the last day Then as Abraham and the Jews received their Religion for themselves and their children so must Christians and set the token of the Covenant upon them as they did But then for the other conversion which makes them fit for the other Sacrament the Lords Supper it is not in the power of the parents although they can bring them up in the Christian Religion yet they cannot convert them from the state of corruption to the state of grace and although they be able to discern when they conform to the true Religion yet they cannot see into their souls whether there be true Faith in them that new name written none knows but he that hath it then although it be said Teach and baptize all Nations yet it is not said Teach and give the Lords Supper to all Nations for it is not in the power of man to teach effectually the heart of another nor to know when they are so taught none but himself knows whether he discern the Lords Body or whether he seed by Faith or remember the Death of Christ or whether he have truely examined himself therefore the worthinesse or unworthinesse lies upon himself and the charge also Let every man examine himself and so let him eat Neither must any baptized Christian be kept from the Lords Supper unlesse he by the leaven of errour seek to undermine the truth of Christian Religion or by prophanesse trample the Christian profession underfoot Matth. 16.12 1 Cor. 5.12 13. 2 Cor. 2.5 6. Gal. 5.9 10. and then it must be done in a legall way not by the Minister alone nor by the Congregation alone but by the Eldership the offence being scandalous So then the first conversion being in the power of the parents and potentially in the children already they may and ought to be baptized But then he saith The Baptism of infants cannot be a Baptism of Faith and Repentance and therefore it is not the Baptism of Christ. But in regard he hath no proof for it I refer him to my answer to the second and third Objection and conclude that Baptism of infants is not excluded from the Commission of Christ and it is a Baptism unto Faith and Repentance and therefore they ought to be baptized His fourth Argument He saith Baptism of infants doth cause inconveniences in the Church first because we make them Members of the Church before they be called of God which is contrary to these Scriptures 1 Cor. 1.1 and 2 Cor. 1.1 I answer Though the Corinthians were sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be Saints yet all in the Church were not such for there was heresies and prophanesse the incestuous person was not cast out and the Lords Supper was prophaned and more carnall men then spirituall and many divisions some of Paul and some of Apollo Then Were these all Saints No. He writes in the judgement of charity and directs his Epistle chiefly to such as were Saints indeed so then in the judgement of charity we should think the best of those in the Church that use the means to attain salvation and so you may judge of infants who are brought up in the true Religion And although Heathens must have a call to Christianity yet when Christians are called their children need not to tarry for such a call because they have no false Religion to be called from Neither was it any inconvenience to the Jews that their infants had the token of the Covenant upon them before their calling but rather a grace and glory to their Church and a benefit to those infants to engage them to obedience of that Covenant when they came to age of which they had received a token So all the people and the Publicans justified Christ when they heard him being baptized of John when as the Pharisees and Lawyers rejected the Counsell of God against themselves being not baptized of him Luke 7.29 30. Then as we would have them justifie Christ and not to reject his Counsell let them be baptized But he saith Another inconvenience it is to have our infants baptized because it will intaile priviledges to us in reference to generation But to these priviledges he saith They must be sanctified quoting that place I answered already 2 Cor. 1.1 Yet I say they are sanctified or set apart from Turks and Heathens for the Christian Church else were they unclean but now they are holy 1 Cor. 7.14 then they ought to be baptized But he hath a third inconvenience and that is If infants be baptized it will make a separation and distraction in Christs conjunction and that is to baptize such as they will not give the Lords Supper nor admit them nor others to break Bread Christ would have them to do both and they will admit such as cannot do both But he hath no reason why some may not do some duties when they are disabled to do others and therefore I refer him to my answer to the tenth Objection and hither too for all his inconveniences I see no good Argument to keep infants of Christians from Baptism Fifthly He saith The baptizing of infants doth directly crosse the proceedings both in the time of the Law and in the time of the Gospel and therefore it ought not to be done for they did all both under the Law and in the time of the Gospel by a rule else Lot might have pleaded the same priviledge with Abraham being a Beleever as well as he and Ishmael who was no Beleever in God yet he was circumcised I answer The promise to Abraham was that his seed in Isaac should be the visible Church who onely should have the token of the Covenant and this excludes Lot from this priviledge and for Ishmael he being one of his Family by vertue of another command was circumcised when the Lord would have Abraham to make his own house an example or a patern for all his posterity to circumcise in his house Gen. 17.12 13. But saith the Lord I will establish my Covenant with Isaac ver 21. Onely Strangers had this benefit by living amongst them So then by the like reason our children although as bad as Ishmael may be baptized when as some true Beleevers amongst the Turks may not be baptized except they come to us and make an open profession of the Christian Religion then they may have this benefit amongst us But have not we a rule for what we do when as the command of Christ is our direction who commands all Nations to be taught and baptized and if he command it he will
confession but saith Paul of those children that they were uncleane then but now saith he they are holy because one of the Parents is become a christian now those children are not heathens but christians so then if the same children which before were uncleane and now are holy by the conversion of one of the Parents it must needs be such a holinesse to distinguish them from Infidels to be of the true christian Church then he that denies this truth must needes draw this conclusion that the same children which before Paul came there were bastards but now one of the Parents is converted to the christian Religion those children that were bastards and uncleane are now holy and no bastards Againe shall we be such fools as to think because the husband is a Christian that his christianity will so sanctifie his wife that shee cannot have a bastard or will her being a christian so sanctifie her husband that he cannot have a bastard if this were true then how comes it to passe that we have so many bastards in Engl. when both the husband the wife professe themselves to be christians and yet sometimes both of them are so prophane as to have bastards then I say that holinesse spoken of by Paul is that mark of distinction to be knowne from Turks and Infidels to be of the visible Church of Christ and therefore have a true right to baptisme and so to all other Ordinances and priviledges of the christian Church although infancy or sicknesse may hinder them from some of them yet it cannot from baptisme being onely passive the work is done upon them and no action required of them therefore they may and ought to be baptized Ninthly they object against my fifth ground saying that command of God ceased which did command to set the token of the Covenant upon Jewish Infants when Christ came and changed that token of circumcision into baptisme But I say the command remaines although the token be changed as for instance God commanded the children of Israel to keepe holy the seventh day for it was the Sabbath of the Lord their God but this command remaines although by Christ the day was changed and so for other commands to Israel thou shalt have no other gods but me thou shalt not make to thy selfe any graven image nor bow downe unto it nor take the name of the Lord thy God in vaine but although the Church of the Jewes be cut off and the christian Church grafted in we may not say these commands were repeald when the Church was changed and so conclude that Christians may have other gods and bow downe to them and worship them and take the name of Israels God in vaine because the command was not made to us but to them nor keep no Sabbath because the command was made to them and not to us nor set the token of the Covenant on our children because it was to them and not to us because our Church and Sabbath and token of the Covenant was all changed then unlesse you be minded to cast off God the Sabbath the Sacraments the true Religion let your children be baptized Tenthly they object saying those that have a right to one of the Sacraments have a right to both but Infants have no right to the Lords Supper because they cannot examine themselves nor remember the death of Christ nor discerne his body in the Sacrament then Infants may not be baptized I answ Those impediments that hinder them from receiving the Lords Supper are no impediments to hinder them from Baptisme because nothing is required in the baptized Infants they are meerly passive the work is done upon them when as the Lords supper requires many actions as to take eat doe this in men of age and understanding Againe I doubt not but Infants have a right to both Sacraments and all other Ordinances although by naturall infirmities they are for the present disabled from some of them as by sicknesse or infancy yet this hinders not nor disables any from Baptisme therefore Infants ought to be baptized although baptisme is not of absolute necessity where it cannot be had yet this contempt of it is damnable but in times of persecution or in a journey it may be deferred as Israel did in the Wildernesse forty yeers Josh 5.5 but they might not doe so in Canaan for if they doe it may be their children when they come to age would despise that Ordinance and then they are to be cut off from Israel because they have broken the Covenant Gen. 17.14 and how doe these men know but their children will despise the covenant when they come to age Nay I dare say it is the onely way to make them despise it when they come to age for it is said all the people that heard Christ and the Publicans justified God being baptized with the baptisme of John that is with water Mat. 3.11 but the Pharises and Lawyers rejected the Councell of God being not baptized of John Luke 7.29.30 And it were a just judgement of God upon such Parents that will not set that marke of distinction to sever their children from Turks by baptisme that they should never be severed from corrupted nature to the state of grace then to avoid this let them be baptized Eleventhly they object that if Christ who saith learne of me was not baptized till he was 30 yeers old then Infants must not be baptized Luke 3.23 But the first is true ergo so is the second I answ It is true that Christ bad us learne of him to be humble and meek Mat. 11.28 but he did not bid us learne of him to be 30 yeers old before that we be baptized and if we learne that we must neither be more nor lesse but just of his age Againe he was both circumcized and baptized but he did not bid us learne both Againe at thirty yeeres old he put an end to the Jewish Religion and could not be baptized before neither could he set up Christian Religion till he had put downe the Jewish Religion But I would not have the Anabaptists to tarry till they be thirty yeers old before they become Christians and say they learned to doe so of Christ Againe at the same time others were baptized at severall ages some more some lesse then the age of Christ then the matter lay in this whether they were converted from false Religions to the true Religion although they were not converted from the state of corrupted nature to the state of grace they baptized them we read of none that ever were denied to be baptized but the Pharises and Sadduces who came to John to be baptized but he refused to baptize them because they would not leave their sects and scismes they would be Pharises and Sadduces still therefore he cals them A generation of Vipers Mat. 3.7 because such would eat out the bowels of the christian Church this might be an item to all the sects and scismes amongst