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A65474 A demonstration in brief, of what I have noted in a book, intituled, a dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Wherein is mainifest that Thomas Hickes and his confederates speak not by the Spirit of God, neither is he ruled, touching the mystery of God in faith, by Holy Scripture, but on the contrary. Thom. Hickes, what thou hast to say in answer (charge me only) and no other person. West, Robert, b. ca. 1613. 1673 (1673) Wing W1387; ESTC R217303 7,816 15

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contradicts himself Mark the Son of God is Christ the annointed of the Lord by him God made the World Heb. 1.2 It 's written By the Word the Lord was the Heavens made and all the Host of them by the breath of his mouth Psal 37.6 Now hath not Tho. Hickes manifested his ignorance first in affirming that the Word by which God made the world was not the Christ and now grants the Son of God is called the Word of God as may appear by his Book Page 17. Again he sayeth in his Book Page 78. 't is not denied but that Jesus Christ as Mediator was in purpose and promise long before neither do I sayeth he question the Eternal Deity of that Word which in time took flesh but though this is and by me must be granted yet I believe not that the Word was then made flesh that Christ was actually made known as God in flesh according to the Mystery and intendment of those Types doth he not here again contradict himself First he sayeth Jesus Christ was purpose and promise and then sayeth I do not question of that Word which in time took flesh doth not this contradict his affirmation before noted c. For first he hath granted the Son of God is called the Word of God Secondly he hath granted the Eternal Deity of that Word in time took flesh all which tends to what I have contended for and he opposed True it is whilest the first Tabernacle was standing the way into the Holiest was not manifest Heb. 9.8 Tho. Hickes sayeth in his Book Page 52. speaking of me there was one of thy friends sayeth he that pretended to perfection yet the same person I proved guilty of Blasphemy in saying the Kingdom of Heaven was in his Dog. The same man sayeth he interpreted that Text Lam. 4.20 which intends a person to mean the Spirit of God in man which he calleth the Annoynted Lord and are such instants as these the Character of a perfect man c. I never said to him that the Kingdom of Heaven was in my Dog neither did he ever prove me guilty of Blasphemy indeed about 10 or 12 years past he asked me whether or no I did say so I then replied Answer me to my Question and I will answer thee My Question was Doth the Lord fill Heaven and Earth yea or nay said he I will not answer Then said I neither will I answer thee Doth not his denial to answer my Question manifest that fear had surprized the Hypocrite Is this fairly done to publish in Print ten or twelve years after he asked me that Question that he proved me guilty of Blasphemy who then was afraid to answer to my Question It 's written He that hideth hatred with lying Lips and he that uttereth a slander is a fool Prov. 10.18 Touching that of Lam. 4.20 I have spoken of before Hath not Tho. Hickes in his Book Page 52. perverted the Text Lam. 4.20 in saying which intends a person What person was that which was the breath of the holy Prophets nostrils The Text sayeth alluding unto Gen. 2.7 as it 's noted in the Margin of the Bible that the breath of our nostrils even the Annointed of the Lord was taken in their pits c. Touching Perfection Is believing Perfection attainable on this side the Grave to be spoken against then the preaching of God himself is to be spoken against for he preached to Abraham saying Walk before me and be thou perfect Again Christ taught his Disciples saying Be ye perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect Again the end of the Ministry is for the perfecting of the Saints as Scripture witnesseth c. I am a witness for the Lord that the Ministry which makes not the Comers thereunto perfect and gives them the knowledge of God on this side the Grave is a false Ministry and the Ministers thereof are deceivers c. In Page 3. of Tho. Hickes his Book he sayeth Yea that which thou callest light in thee hath in many things misguided thee This his saying is his folly for Job testifieth speaking of the light of the Lord That by his light he walked through darkness Job 29.3 To this agreeth the promise of Christ He that followeth me sayeth Christ shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life John 8.12 I witness the same promise to me made good amongst the many thousands of the Lords people this day It 's written That Job spake of the Lord the things that are right Job 42.7 But now Tho. Hickes and his Confederates have spoken of the Light within the things which are wrong c. For if any man do or speak the things that are wrong or false he 's not guided by the light within so to do but by another spirit c. There are three Spirits in man viz. the Spirit of God which is the light whose Name is called the Lord as it 's written The Lord is that Spirit And mans spirit which is the Candle And the spirit of the Devil which moves man or tempteth man to sin Now either of these three Spirits may be followed c. The foolish Prophets of Israel followed their own Spirits and saw nothing Ezek. 13.3 Now he that followeth his own spirit may say that he is led by the light within or speaks by that light as too many have done not knowing what spirit they have followed because they thought there had been but two spirits in man to wit the Spirit of God and the spirits of the Devil c. Now if it should be so the Soul of man that being a Spirit must be of the substance of God or of the substance of the Devil I say again if there be but two Spirits in man the Soul of man being a Spirit must be God or of his Substance which is blasphemy so to say or of the spirit of the Devil Consider of it Therefore there is a necessity to know what mans spirit is for that end I did distinguish in my Book Intituled Damnable Heresie Discovered The Spirit of man which is the Candle from the light within which is the Lord and the spirit of the Devil from them both c. By what 's written may appear that the light within may be silent while men may follow other spirits and that the ●●ght within as it 's taken heed unto and followed guides out of darkness Tho. Hickes sayeth in his book Page 62. You speak of no other Resurrection but of Christs dying and arising in you c. Know all men that I do believe when the Soul of man is redeemed by the Lord from under the dominion of Death the resurrection is not finished nor when the body shall be delivered from the dominion of the man of the Earth then the Resurrection is not finished for in that state man may marry and die Now Christ sayeth The hour cometh that all that are in their graves shal hear the voice of the Son of God shall come forth they that have done well to the resurrection of life and they that have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation then there shall be no more marrying nor giving in marriage nor dying any more Luk. 30.25 Joh. 5.28 Hos 13.14 1 Cor. 15 54. Again it 's written Every man shall receive according as he hath done in the body whether it be good or evil c. Touching things noted in Tho. Hickes his ●ook against the Quakers as he calls them they are of age to speak for themselves c. Touching what I have written is to manifest his folly and falshood that he may not proceed any farther and it was upon me and in it I have peace with God on whose side I have written and on whose side I have been a Souldier above these twenty years although for it I have been imprisoned and troubled to many Assizes but the Lord hath as his promise is delivered me Glory be to him for ever and for evermore Amen Written by me Robert West About the 60th year of my Age to be Printed in the Year 1673.