Selected quad for the lemma: death_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
death_n	body_n	cross_n	soul_n	4,007	5	5.0289	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A05037	A collection of certaine sclaunderous articles gyuen out by the bisshops against such faithfull Christians as they now vniustly deteyne in their prisons togeather with the answeare of the saide prisoners therunto. Also the some of certaine conferences had in the Fleete according to the bisshops bloudie mandate with two prisoners there.	Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut	1590 (1590)	STC 1518; ESTC S101231	40,961	58

vnto the ministrie and Sacramēts of Christ Neither could they make anie true or sincere confession without the preaching of the word going before to call them therevnto Vppon this issue we for that tyme ceased They affirming this verball confession in this maner sayd to be sufficient to enable all the people so saying it ouer And I for the reasons aboue said denying the same Mr. Hutchinson put vp the paper wherein these Arguments and propositions were wrytten into his bozome but promised me a Copie vvherevnto I condiscended so that vppon the next conference I might keepe the paper There arose cōtrouersie betwixt Mr. ANDR. me concerning these words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 He affirming them to be all one I to be very dyuerse the one signifying vicinity the other disiunction of habitations he alledging the ancyent vse And I both the ancient present affirming all to be corrupt Mr. Androes also in reasoning with me oft swore by his honestie for which I reproued him for swearing vnlawfully making his faith an Idole But he said I knew not what an oth or an Idole meant Mr. Androes also vsed this word Luck I sayed there was no fortune or luck but all things came to passe by the prouidence of God To prooue Luck he torned in my Testament to the 10. of Luke ver 31. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. And torned in a leafe vppon the place and as he was going out willed me to consider of it vvhich is no more then to come to passe although sodainly or vnloked for to vs yet by the direction prouidence of God vnto vs without which a sparrow falleth not vppō the ground So that though the heathens abused this word to chance fortune yet is it both contrary to Christian faith and not the first and proper signification of the word A summe of such cheif poynts as vvere handled in the second conferēce betwixt M r. Hutchinson Do. Androes on the one partie and Iohn Greenwood Henry Barrow prisoners in the Fleet on the other partie vppon the 13. of the 4. Moneth The discourse whereof orderly to set downe vve cannot all things were so disorderly handled therein by them who sought nothing so much as to obscure turne away the truth by theire schole learning manifold cauills shifts shameles denyall of manifest truthes most vnchristian contumelies scoffes reproches against owre persons 1. FIrst they hold by especially Do. Androes that the scriptures now ought not to decide controuersies because the scriptures cannot speake 2. That the scriptures ought to be iudged interpreted by the ancyent fathers wrytings not by other scriptures or the circumstances of the text 3. That because the spirits of the Prophets must be subiect to the Prophets therfore the wrytings of these dead men ought to iudge interpret the scriptures 4. That the scriptures ought to be interpreted expounded by Logick 5. That no man may preach the word or interpret scriptures but he that hath an office in the Church 6. Being pressed vvith Acts. 13. ver 15. And theire owne note vppon the same in theire Geneua Bible he vtterly reiected both that translation the notes therevppon saying yt vvas inhibited to be vsed in theire Church 7. They further said that Paul was a minister of that Synagogue because he was a Pharisey 8. There is no Church where there is no administracōn of sacraments Being pressed that the Pastor alone cannot make a Church neither that vppon the death or deposing of the Pastor at vvich tyme the Church for a season is vvithout sacraments as also that the host of the Israelites vvere a long tyme in the wildernes without sacraments they only answered vnto the last said that the Israelites vvere not without sacraments at anie tyme because they alwaies had the pillar of fire 9. Being shewed that this pillar was no sacrament of the couenant prescribed by God to be vsed of the Church they still affirmed that the Church could not be said to be without the sacraments whiles they had these Sacramentall signes 10. They held that Christ after his death descended into hell 11. Do. Androes indeuored to prooue it by Colos. 2. ver 15. because Christ is there said to haue triumphed ouer the principalities powers his consequent collection being denyed shewed to be a popish dreame to haue no groundworke or warrant from this place he sought to escape by denying the english translation which saith and hath tryumphed ouer them in the same cross because it is in some copies tryumphing them in himself 12. Being pressed that Christs spirit was in the hands of his father Luke 23.46 his bodie in the graue therfore he could not after his death descend into hell To this Do. Androes answered that his soule being in the hand of God might be in hell because the hād power of God was euery where Yt was then said that Christs soule was in paradise that all the soules of the blessed were then by that reason in hell aswell as his yea Christ his soule now might so be said to be in hel likewise because the power of God is euery where But Christ having finished all his suffrings performed them vppon his crosse Iohn 19. had now nothing to do in hell There remayned an Argument at our last conference without answere which was this None can be called to a true profession of faith vvithout the preaching of the gospell going before But all the people in these parishes vvere receaued into your Church vvithout the preaching of the gospell going before Therfore they vvere receaued vvithout a true profession 13. Do. Androes here denyed the minor said the people were not receaued into theire Church had the sacramēts delyuered vnto them before they had bene taught half a yeare Being demaunded what the people in the meane while were to be esteemed whether faithfull or idolatrous whether mēbers or not members of theire Church he said they were neither to be esteemed faithfull nor vnbelieuers neither members nor not members but they where all this while in membring 14. Being demaunded what those preachers were to be esteemed whither ministers or not ministers vnto this people they answered that they were ministers Argument 1. There can be no minister but vnto a flocke But here by your ovvne saying vvas no flocke at this tyme Therfore these could be no ministers vnto them 15. They here denyed the Maior affirmed that there may be a minister without a flocke Argument 2. A shepheard can be no shepheard ouer goates or svvyne but only ouer sheepe The ministerie of Christ cānot be set ouer infidells or ouer anie people to take chardge or cure ouer them vntill those people be called vnto haue made profession of the faith But here the people vvere not as then called vnto neither had made profession of the faith Therfore the ministerie of Christ could not

god vvho vvill abide no halting For the vvarrant of those things vve haue the doctrine of the prophetts Christ his Apostles who teach vs in this case to suffer persequutiō as they that feare him that can cast both soule bodye into hell fyre and if the magistrate punish vs for vvel doing vve are far from resistance vvillingly vndergoing vnto death theire displeasure But god forbid they should be guylty of owre innocent bloud by such sclaunderous reports vvithout due examinacōn of the truth It is these vvicked false prophetts that trouble the land that oppose the magistrats povver against Christ ciuill against spirituall Prince against Subiects 11. That the presbiterie or Eldership may for some causes after admonition if there ensue not reformation excommunicat the Queene WE detest that Antichristian povver of that person or presbiterye vsurping aucthoritie ouer the vvhole Church as you others do exercise in your popish Courts secret Classes devised Synods of priests as though they vvere Lords ouer the heritage The true officers of Christ vsurp no tyrannicall iurisdiction ouer the leaste member neither do anie publique thing vvithout the consent of the vvhole Congregation much lesse may the presbiterie excommunicat anie person by theire sole povver seing Christ hath gyuen this povver to the vvhole Church and not solye to the presbiterie The Prince also if he vvilbe held a mēber of Christ or of the Church must be subiect to Christs censure in the Church That Congregation then wherof the prince is a member may excommunicat the obstinat offendors therin vvithout exception of person read of in the whole Booke of God yea great iniurye to Christ his Church and to the prince it were to exempt them from the meanes of theire owne saluation for which end this power is only gyuen ought to be so exercised Neither doth it derogate diminish or take away anie part of the magistrats power or aucthoritie except you vvould haue no lawefull magistracye that is not of the Church or that the spirituall power of Christ in his Church should disanull the magistracy which were diuelish doctrine 12. That the Church of England as it novv standeth by lavve established professeth not a true Christ nor true religion that it hath not ministers indeed nor Sacraments indeed AS for your Religion Church Sacraments c. we haue before shewed the forgerye of them vnto which former Articles vve referr the reader Only now vve must take away Balaā his stumbling block which he layeth before men as though vve denyed the true Christ perfect God perfect man of his tvvoe natures subsisting not confounded but vnited c. Yea vve confesse there is but one bodye one spirit one Lord one faith one baptisme and that this Christ is in all places the same for euer hovvsoeuer the false Church may challenge interest in the lyuing Child But that these parish assemblies denie him to reigne ouer them yea to be anie true Christ vnto them by theire deeds it is manifest For doe they not put the reede of the Popes Canons in his hand in steade of the Scepter of his ovvne holy vvord Do they not make him a minister of an other Testamēt by bynding him to this theire popishe Apochripha liturgye and all theire other deuises made or to be made Do they not make him a priest a sacrifice to all the prophane vngodly To conclude do they not hereby denye and abrogate all his offices in his Church of kingdome priesthoode prophecye and his vvhole anointing in the flesh The brief summe of a conference had the 9. day of the 3. Moneth betweene Mr. Hutchinson Arch-Deacō me Iohn Greenwood prisoner in the Fleet hauing bene kept close now a yeare an half by the BBs sole commaundement The perticuler discourse wherof vvere but vnprofitable to relate neither will I trust my fraile memorye therin Mr. Hutchchinson said he came by vertue of Commission in her Ma ts name to confer c. I denying to make answere to anie thing vntill I might haue indifferent vvitnesse by the matter to be vvritten downe obteined to haue pen ynke Mr. Calthrop a gentleman prysoner to be vvitnes I desired Mr. Hutch to set downe the end of his comming I vvould make answere thereunto vvhereuppon he vvrote vvith his owne hand to this effect Memorandum that I Mr. Huthchinson being desired by Mr. Greenwood to set downe the end of my comming shew it him to be by vertue of commission yet not to examine him or anie vvay to hurt him but to confer vvith him about his seperating of himself from the Church of England if I might reduce him c. I Iohn Greenwood not desiring Mr. Hutchinson his comming yet am most vvilling of anie Christian conference vvhere it shall be free asvvell to oppose as ansvvere on both sides the matter to be recorded in vvriting The cause that I vvill not othervvise reason is for that I haue bene vvickedly sclaūdered our cause falsly reported by Do. Some others c. Mr. Hutchinson then brought forth certaine articles of theire collections reading them vnto me Also he shevved me Do Somes sclauderous booke vvhere he turned to the positions the author had falsly affirmed to be ours Hauing read his Articles he demaunded vhether I approued or disalovved of them To the Articles I said they vvere theyre ovvne collectiōs not ours And as for Mr. Somes booke it vvas full of lyes sclaunders But I vvilled him if he vvould confer to set dovvne some position vnder his hand vvhich I vvould assent vnto or els disproue Still he vvould haue me to ansvvere some of those articles c. But at length he vvilled me to set dovvne some cause whie I would not come to theire Church vvhereuppō I vvorte thus The parish assemblies in England consist of all sorts of profane people generallye subiect to this antichristian ministerie lavves Courts vvorship c. And therfore are not the true apparant established Churches of Christ To this he first answered that if the parish assemblies were a false Church then euery member thereof was a member of the false Church which were dāgerous for me to affirme I desired him first to denye or affirme the argument being generall after infer what it pleased him at last he made this answere in writing with his owne hand HVTCH. Your vnsufficient Argument hath 2. defaults in it 1. the sequell of your Argument is not true 2. Your first assertion cannot be prooued GREEN I will replie vppon your second exception as order requireth That Your parish assemblies consist of all sortes of profane people c. is thus proued They vvere all by the blovving of her Maiesties trumpet at her coronai●●● in one day receaued vvithout conuersion of life by faith repentance they theyr seede euer since generallie receaued to your sacrament vvithout anie seperation from the vvorld Therfore they novv consist of all sorts of profane