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A52720 The Catholick letter to the seeker, or, A reply to the Protestant answer shewing that Catholicks have express Scriptures, for believing the real presence, and that Protestants have none at all, for denying it. N. N. 1688 (1688) Wing N32; ESTC R9655 25,181 42

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And He took Bread and gave Thanks and Brake it and gave unto them saying This is my Body which is given for you This do in Remembrance of Me. XVII Vers 20. Likewise also the Cup after Supper saying This Cup is the New Testament in My Blood which is Shed for you XVIII 1 Cor. 11. v. 23. For I have Receiv'd of the LORD that which also I Deliver'd unto you That the Lord JESVS the same Night in which He was Betray'd took Bread. XIX Vers 24. And when He had given Thanks He Brake it and said Take Eat This is my Body which is Broken for you This do in Remembrance of Me. XX. Vers 25. After the same manner also He took the Cup when He had Supp'd saying This Cup is the new Testament in my Blood This do ye as oft as ye Drink it in Remembrance of Me. XXI Vers 26. For as often as ye Eat this Bread and Drink this Cup ye do shew the LORD's Death till He come XXII Vers 27. Wherefore whosoever shall Eat this Bread and Drink this Cup of the LORD Vnworthily shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the LORD XXIII Vers 28. But let a Man Examine himself and so let him Eat of that Bread and Drink of that Cup. XXIV Vers 29. For he that Eateth and Drinketh Vnworthily Eateth and Drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the LORD's Body The Protestant Texts against It. I 1 Cor. 11. v. 23 24. The Lord JESVS the same Night in which He was Betray'd took Bread and when He had given Thanks He brake it and said Take Eat This is my Body which is Broken for you this do in Remembrance of Me. II. St. Mat. 26. v. 27 28 29. And He took the Cup and gave Thanks and gave it to them saying Drink ye all of it for This is my Blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the Remission of Sins I will not Drink henceforth of this Fruit of the Vine until I drink it New with you in my Father's Kingdom III. St. Mar. 14. v. 23 24. And He took the Cup and when He had given Thanks He gave it to them and they all drank of it and He said unto them This is my Blood of the New Testament which is Shed for many IV. St. Luk. 22. v. 19 20. And He took Bread and gave Thanks and Brake it and gave unto them saying This is my Body which is given for you This do in Remembrance of Me Likewise also the Cup after Supper saying This Cup is the New Testament in my Blood which is Shed for you V. Act. 2. v. 42. They continued stedfast in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and in Breaking of Bread. VI. Act. 20. v. 7. Vpon the First Day of the Week when the Discipies came together to break Bread. VII 1 Cor. 10. v. 16 17. The Cup of Blessing which we bless Is it not the Communion of the Blood of CHRIST The Bread which we break Is it not the Communion of the Body of CHRIST For We being many are one Bread and one Body for We are all Partakers of that one Bread. VIII 1 Cor. 11. v. 26. For as often as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew the LORD's Death till He come Whosoever shall eat this Bread and drink this Cup of the LORD Vnworthily Let a Man examine himself so let him eat of that Bread and drink of that Cup. IX Act. 1. v. 11. This same JESVS who is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven X. Act. 3. v. 21. Whom the Heaven must Receive until the Times of the Restitution of all Things XI St. Luk. 24. v. 39. Behold my Hands and my Feet that it is I my Self Handle Me and see for a Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see Me have XII Act. 1. v. 3. To whom also He shewed himself alive after his Passion Being seen of them Forty Days XIII 1 Joh. 1. v. 1. Which we have seen with our Eyes which we have look'd upon and our Hands have handled XIV Heb. 9. v. 28. So CHRIST was once Offer'd to bear the Sins of many and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the Second Time. XV. Heb. 10. v. 12. This MAN after He had Offer'd one Sacrifice for Sins for ever sate down on the Right Hand of GOD. XVI Phil. 3. v. 21. Christ has a Glorious BODY Thus having truly laid down the Scriptures on both sides I doubt not but it doth appear that the Texts brought on the Catholick Part are abundantly sufficient and plain for the Being of Christ's Body and Blood in the Sacrament and that Those produced on the Protestant Part are also expresly For it or not at all Against it for that it is impossible to bring one Text out of the whole Bible to prove That the Body and Blood of Christ is not in the Sacrament as in effect is confessed by the Protestant Answ Pag. 3. where he says That the Church of England do hold several Doctrines which are not contain'd in Express Words in Scripture for says he besides their Positive Articles they have a great many Negative Ones So that to require plain and express Words of Scripture to prove that such a Doctrine is not there Taught is says he to demand a Proof the thing is not capable of Wherefore the denying of the Real Presence being one of their Negative Doctrines or Articles it 's plain That the Gentleman doth not pretend to produce those Texts to prove That the Body and Blood of Christ is not in the Sacrament but lays 'em before you hoping you 'll think they do because the Word Bread is mentioned says he Pag. 15. Five times by St. Paul after he recited the Institution Very good and why not the Word BREAD I pray as well as the Word CVP seeing by the Word BREAD is meant the Communion of the Body of Christ as by the Word CVP 1 Cor. 10.16,17 is signified the Communion of the Blood of Christ And besides St. Paul mentions not the Words CVP and BREAD but he explains them to be the Body and Blood of Christ as 1 Cor. 11.26 where he tells ye As often as ye Eat this BREAD and Drink this CVP ye do shew the Lord's Death till He come which Death of the Lord was not shewn but by Offering up of his True and Real Body and Blood And Ver. 27. he tells ye Whosoever shall Eat this BREAD and Drink this CVP of the LORD VNWORTHILY shall be guilty of the BODY and BLOOD of the LORD Wherefore if it were not the Body and Blood of the LORD how could they be guilty of the Body and Blood if the Body and Blood be not there to be guilty of And further Ver. 28 29 He that Eateth and Drinketh VNWORTHILY Eateth and Drinketh DAMNATION to himself not discerning the LORD's BODY which still confirms it
said He WOVLD give it and then EXCEPT THEY DID EAT c. The Gentleman however from the above-mention'd Texts insinuates That CHRIST's Flesh and Blood may be Eaten and Drank out of the Sacrament as says he is evident from the Sense and Letter of it If so then continues he it could not be understood of that Flesh and Blood which the Bread and Wine are Converted into in the Sacrament nor adds he of Carnal Eating his Flesh and Drinking his Blood. As to his Carnal Eating We beg his Pardon if he means as we Eat Beef and other Meats For that We Truly and Really Receive the Body and Blood of CHRIST in the Sacrament to use his own Words Pag. 12. after an Heavenly and Spiritual manner And so far We should Agree did We not Differ in This That They Receive it in Figure and Fancy only and We Receive it in Substance and Truth But that 't is evident as he says from the Letter and Sense of it That the Flesh and Blood of CHRIST may be Eaten out of the Sacrament and even Before it was Instituted c. is indeed such a Figure as none but Himself can unriddle For my part I have read St. John on this Occasion and I can't find it so evident as he says it is Pray Sir do you Consult the Words and see whether those Texts do imply the Eating and Drinking the Flesh and Blood of CHRIST Out of the Sacrament as well as In it or in any other manner than under the Forms of Bread and Wine according to both the Promise and Institution Or Whether they could Eat it before He Gave it For in the 6 th Chapter of St. John CHRIST did not give them his Flesh to Eat nor his Blood to Drink But told them He would give them BREAD to Eat which should be his FLESH but before He GAVE it 't was impossible for them to EAT it He further proceeds and tells You Pag. 8. That it must not be Properly and Litterally understood For then says he all that thus Properly Eat and Drink the Flesh and Blood of CHRIST would have Eternal Life according to our Saviour's Assertion Vers 54. Very true The Worthy Receivers who persevere to the End have so but the Vnworthy quite contrary And we can shew You a Rule for it viz. 1 Cor. 11.27,29 Wherefore whosoever shall Eat this BREAD and Drink this CUP of the Lord Vnworthily shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord For he that Eateth and Drinketh UNWORTHILY Eateth and Drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the LORD 's BODY Wherefore the Worthy may receive to Eternal Life and the Vnworthy to Eternal Death And the Words TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY may be properly understood the Protestant Musl-bee's to the contrary notwithstanding The Gentleman tells you further in the same Page That then the Sacrament in both Kinds will be necessary to Salvation c. As to this of Both Kinds it doth not properly Relate either to Your Request or My Answer but is a Controversie deserving to be Argued by it self in convenient Time and Place And besides I do not see where the necessity lies of defining the Sacrament in Both Kinds to One that believes it in Neither not but that I am ready to satisfie You in this particular where and when You please The Gentleman Pag. 8. sharply reflects upon what I said in my Answer p. 8. That if they went to Figures and Parables we knew how to handle them From whence he Insinuates some Extraordinary way of handling For my part I take GOD to Witness I had no other meaning in it than to handle them by the BIBLE as I said to Rule them by their own Rule Wherefore let the Evil be to them that think it As to what he says Pag. 8. Of the Antipathy I should have to Figures and Parables and Cross my Self where-ever they are Named I do not see by what I have Writ where the Gentleman can have the least Ground for this Cross and Antipathous Reflection For to the contrary I highly venerate those Discourses wherein our Saviour was often pleased to express himself by way of Parable c. But that which I abhor and which indeed would make a Saint Bless himself is To see Men mould GOD's Word into what Form they please and make every thing a Figure that doth not square with their Fancy Is it because our Saviour spake some things by way of Parable that All he said was such or That he never spake otherwise If so and that the Scriptures are so full of secret Meanings How comes it that mean Capacities are by the Church of St. Martins left to themselves to Judge of the true sence of Scripture according to D. T. who tells you in his True Account of a Conference p. 18. That a Man after using all Christian means and the help of all Ministerial Guides possible must at last Judge for himself A special Assertion indeed which if true What need of Teachers seeing that every Man must teach himself by being a Judge of the Text to himself at last But not to detain you on this particular Let us come to what the Gentleman desires pag. 8. That I should tell him without a Figure what is that Meat which endureth to everlasting Life whereof our Saviour speaks in the Sixth Chapter of St. John vers 27. Labour not for the Meat which Perisheth but for THAT MEAT which endureth unto everlasting Life which the Son of Man shall give unto you for him hath God the Father sealed Why truly for my part I do not see where the difficulty lies in these words of Labouring for that Meat which endureth to everlasting Life which the Son of Man shall give unto you it being but a Preamble to what immediately follows in the same Chapter of Giving us his FLESH to EAT which is the true Meat that endureth unto everlasting Life And besides He tells us That the Meat which endureth unto everlasting Life should be given us by the Son of Man agreeable to what he says vers 51 55. And the BREAD that I will give is my FLESH which I will give for the Life of the World For my FLESH is Meat indeed and my BLOOD is Drink indeed which without a Figure I humbly conceive is that MEAT which endureth unto everlasting Life As to his How the Son was Sealed by the Father and the rest of his How 's they are such Jewish expressions as that all Christian-pretenders ought to be ashamed of them For CHRIST no sooner spake of this Doctrine of giving us his FLESH to Eat but the Jews came up with their How too saying vers 52. How can this Man give us his FLESH to Eat So Jewish it is to question GOD how he could do it how this how that and if How he made the World of Nothing be asked Can we Answer but by his sole Word And shall it not be sufficient for us to
to be the BODY of the LORD or how doth he say Condemn'd not discerning the LORD 's BODY if the Body of the LORD be not there to be discerned Wherefore St. Paul speaketh not but in Confirmation of its being the Body and Blood of CHRIST or 't would be hard a Sinner should be Damn'd meerly for Moderate Eating and Drinking of bare Bread and Wine For according to the Protestant Answerer the Sacrament is no more who tells you Pag. 11. That there is no other Substance distributed among the Communicants than that of Bread and Wine And Pag. 15. That they are as really and properly Bread and Wine after Consecration as before And further The said Texts are laid before You for that in some of them it is said THIS DO IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME To which I Answer and say That those Words This do in Remembrance of Me do no way Relate to the Laiety who only receive the Sacrament but to the Priests who Consecrate and Administer the same for it is no where said This Eat This Take This Receive but This do in Remembrance of Me whereas it is not at all the Office of the Laiety nor have they the Power to do as our Saviour then did Bless and Administer the Sacrament of his Body and Blood to Themselves or Others but the Office of the Priests to whom was given by these Words This do c. a particular Power to do the same as Christ then did Take Bread and Wine Bless it and Administer it as he did for his Body and his Blood. Nor do the Words IN REMEMBRANCE any way serve Their turn for as You unanswerably have observed Pag. 7. of your Request That the Remembrance of its Being doth no way make it cease to Be which Argument the Protestant Answerer would fain Confute where Pag. 19. he tells You Tho' the Remembrance of its Being do no way make it cease to Be yet says he it supposeth the Absence of the Being which is to suppose the Body to be Present and Absent at the same Time A piece of Sophistry so weak as I admire a Man of Sense should insist thereon as if my Remembrance of your being with me when present did any way suppose your Absence from me at the same time It is surely Nonsense to think That the Remembrance of a Thing present did or could in the least suppose the Absence of the same Thing at the same time for tho' it be confess'd we may Remember the Being of a Thing when Absent yet the Remembrance of the same Thing when Present doth not at all suppose the Absence and the Presence too of the same Thing at one and the same time Wherefore the Remembrance of Christ's Body and Blood 's being Present in the Sacrament doth no ways suppose the Absence of the Being nor make the Being cease to Be. And further The said Scriptures are produced for that in some of them it is said THIS IS MY BODY which is Broken for you Before says he Pag. 14. it was Broke Whence he concludes it not to be the Body of CHRIST because as he conceives the Body of CHRIST was not Then Broke But before We proceed 't is requisite to inform your Self whether CHRIST had Two Bodies One Figurative and the Other Real I suppose 't will be resolved that CHRIST had but One Body and that was a True Real and Substantial Body and not a Figurative or Delusive Body Wherefore if CHRIST had but One Body 't was of that Body he spake when He said THIS IS MY BODY which is Broken for you and to doubt that what CHRIST said was either Improper or Untrue is to profess our selves Infidels and Jews at once for none but such can question GOD's Veracity Wherefore as what he said was certainly true so it was undoubtedly proper when he said Which is BROKEN FOR YOV For proof whereof I answer That tho' his Natural Body be There yet the manner of its Being is Spiritual and Sacramental and the manner of its Breaking follows the manner of its Being his Body is There Broken in the Sign not in the Substance Moreover those Words WHICH IS BROKEN do prove as the Holy Catholick Church always did and ever will hold it to be a True and Proper Sacrifice for the Being Broken does explain the nature of a Sacrifice which imports the destruction of the Thing Offered if Corruptible and lyable to Destruction But the Body of CHRIST being Incorruptible and Immortal can't be really hurt therefore the manner of Breaking is only Mystical and Representative But if this manner of Breaking do not please the Gentleman let us to verifie the Words of Christ whose Truth he so much doubts see whether the Body of Christ were not otherwise Broke before He Instituted the Sacrament or rather whether his Body had not been Pierced and his Blood had not been Spilt for that it is written John 19.36 A Bone of Him shall not be broke And another Scripture saith Ibid. Ver. 37. They shall look on Him whom they Pierced Wherefore the Body of CHRIST was not otherwise Naturally Broken than by Piercing of his Body and Spilling of his Blood. Now that his Body at that time had been Pierced and his Blood had been Spilt appears c. when at Eight Days Old He began to smart for us Which Piercing of his Flesh and Spilling of his Blood at his Circumcision was followed by Vnspeakable Pains Restless Labours Travels and Fastings insomuch that his whole Life from the Hour of his Birth to the Moment of his Death was but One Passion-continued What I pray his Agony in the Garden What His being Crown'd with Thorns and Bloody Whipping at the Pillar That in the Opinion of this Gentleman his Body was not at all Broke nor his Blood in the least Shed till Consummate for us upon the Cross Wherefore with Truth our Saviour might have said of his Body which is Broke and of his Blood which is Shed without supposing that any thing he said was either Improper or Untrue And the said Scriptures are produced for that it is said I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the Vine until I drink it new with you in my Fathers Kingdom which our Saviour might have said and not at all Recal his first Assurance for we do not deny the use of Figures in Expression as the Word CVP for his Blood contain'd in it and the Word BREAD for his Body contain'd under that Form But there is no Figure in this Mystery which excludes but asserts the Reality of CHRIST's Body and Blood in the Sacrament For the terms CVP and BREAD sometimes used by the Apostles after the Institution as by us at this day do not at all destroy the Substance for which our Saviour gave them when he said EAT THIS IS MY BODY DRINK THIS IS MY BLOOD Nor do I see what Reason they have to Carp at either of the said Terms CVP or BREAD seeing Both are