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A44805 The rock of ages exalted above Rome's imagined rock on which her church is builded she proved not to be the onely Church of Christ, her corrupt doctrines reproved not to be apostolick, but contrary to the true Church of Christ in the apostles dayes : also divers arguments answered which may convince the papists that they are not the true church wherein a book is also answered called A catechism against all sectaries, newly published by C.M. in the year 1661 / by Francis Howgil. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1662 (1662) Wing H3178; ESTC R30346 44,740 118

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nature of the material Bread is there no more Oh horrible Blindness and gross Ignorance great Idolatry and horrible blasphemy your Priests by their words it seems can make God who made all things and can make Christ the Redeemer then your Priests are greater then God and Christ for he which createth and maketh must needs be greater then that which is created and made And thou confesses that it is really Bread and Wine before the Priests sacred words are uttered of Consecration but afterwards it becomes the real and true body of Christ yea whole Christ our God and Redeemer So it is clear that the Priest hath power in your judgment to make the body of Christ to make God and whole Christ a Redeemer Oh that ever such gross darkness should enter into the hearts of the sons of men As for those two places in Luke 22. 1 Cor. 11. it is but a pitiful ground for you to plead that the material Bread and the material Cup is the very Body and Blood of Christ was not Christ present when he broke the Bread and gave the Cup and after too and alive Did they eat his Body when he was with them and drink his Blood Was his body broken for them then before he was offered up and was his Blood shed then before he suffered upon the Cross nay it 's manifest he was alive in the Real Body after they had earen the Bread and drunk the Cup and this was a sign unto them of his Suffering for them and of his Death and as the Apostle saith As oft as they eat the Bread and drunk the Cup they shewed forth the Lords death till he came And reveal'd himself in his own life and power and then they saw and feel'd that which was signified through the figure before that like as the Bread and the Cup did nourish the natural man likewise their souls were fed and nourished with the Bread of Life and the Cup of blessing which they knew and feel'd little of when Christ broke the Bread and gave the Cup and doth not Christ say I am the Door I am the Way I am the Vine and also This is my Body and This is my blood Why should one place be literally and naturally understood and interpreted and not another so 2ly And we do not question what Christ can do but what he did That he turn'd water into Wine we do believe and that God made the world of nothing is for thee to prove yet and that Christ made himself Invisible passed through his enemies somtimes without being seen we believe but that he made himself Invisible vvhen he broke the Bread and gave the Cup to the Disciples is clear contrary to the aforementioned Scripture and divers others or that he conveyed himself so invisibly into the Bread and into the Wine as you ignorantly suppose or that he was so under it as thy own word is so as that he was not seen visibly by the Disciples even when they eat the Bread and drank the Cup and after he bless'd it is utterly false for they saw him before he took the bread and when he took it and bless'd it and brake it and when they eat it and after they had eaten he was visible in all these moments of time is very evident both by Matthew Mark Luke and John in their Narration of the Supper and so all your twining and turning and vain arguments are made void 3ly We do not believe that ever any of your Priests turn'd Water into Wine or Bread into Flesh or Wine into blood of one sort or other much less into the flesh or blood of Christ for thou saist the external Accidents remain as our eyes represent unto us after Consecration but yet the nature of the material Bread is no more as your faith teaches you so it seems you confess the visible appearance which may be seen and felt as to the natural Aspect doth remain that the natural Elements of bread and wine still remain in sight but the substance nature and matter is no more in being I shall appeal to the light of Christ in your consciences whether this be true yea or nay Nay it is so ridiculous a thing that I dare appeal to any man or woman that have not lost their sences whether that which may be seen with the natural eyes and may be felt by the natural hands and tasted by the natural taste be not the very same in nature and matter after Consecration as before if the external Accidents do remain as you say it doth we will join issue with you in this thing for trial if you dare venture it and put it to proof you and we with a joint consent will chuse Bread and Wine and you and we will both eat and drink of some part of it before and then your Priest shall consecrate it and we will hear and see what he saith and doth provided that he shall onely speak to it or pray over it and then when he hath done we will both eat again and if it be not of the same substance and the same effect as to your own understanding sence and feeling as you are men and creatures which if there be no alteration but it remain the same in substance in taste in matter nature and quality with that before Consecration then you shall confess your error deny your Doctrine but if it be alter'd we will deny ours and join unto your Faith Or secondly If you will stand to trial and appoint time and place for two or three of you and two or three of us to meet together where both parties may be secure as to their persons you and we will take Bread and Wine and one part of it shall be unconsecrated and another part you shall be allow'd to consecrate as well as you can for the honor of your Church and that which is consecrated and that vvhich is unconsecrated shall be set together and shall be watched by some of each party and if that which is consecrated do corrupt and decay as that which is unconsecrated then you wil renounce your Doctrine and leave your killing about it but if it do not corrupt and decay as well as that which is unconsecrated then we will deny our Faith and confess that you are the true Church Lastly If you be not Idolaters there was never any in the world who say that to adore or worship the Bread and Wine after consecration is no more Bread but whole Christ your God and Redeemer who placeth himself there upon the Altar by miracle It 's a miraculous thing indeed that that which is given unto you by the Priest which enters in at the natural mouth and goes into the belly should be the body of Christ and whole Christ and very God and Redeemer as thou saist that one person should contain whole God seeing the Scripture saith that the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him for he is the