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A39769 The truth and certainty of the Protestant faith with a short and plain account of the doctrine of the Romish Church in its visible opposition to Scripture and the very being of Christianity : to which is adjoined some serious considerations anent popery & the state of that controversy. Fleming, Robert, 1630-1694. 1678 (1678) Wing F1277B; ESTC R37829 39,817 62

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thou mayest be forgiven Ans For what the Apostle there mentions 1. The recovery of the sick person is evidently intended but this extreme Unction in not used until the recovery of the party be past hope 2. The health there promised was miraculous answering to that time when the Faith of Miracles was in the Church and temporary for such as had the extraordinarie gift of healing but for the Elders of the Church praying over the Sick though not having such a gift now we deny not its prepetual use SECT XIV Qu. HAth not that Article of the Romish Doctrine Transubstantiation clear warrant in the Scripture that Christs bodily presence in the Sacrament is such as the whole substance of the Bread and Wine there in the act of Consecration is turned into the substance of his Body and Blood Ans It is manifest 1. That it could be no more a Sacrament if the sign should be turned into the thing signified 2. It is expresly to deny the real Body of Christ and that he did visibly and locally leave this World Whom the Heavens must contain until the time of the restitution of all things Acts 3 11. 3. It is most directly contrarie to the Scripture where it is so evident that the Bread and Wine remain still the same after the Consecration 1 Cor. 11 vers 26. So oft you eat of 〈◊〉 this Bread And let a Man examine himself and so let him eat of this Bread 1 Cor. 10 16. The Bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Christ Yea Acts 2 46. Where the partaking of the Sacrament is called the Breaking of Bread in all which it is most expresly shewed to be still Bread 4. It is clear that Jesus Christ as Man cannot be in divers places at once nor his Body at the same time in Heaven and upon Earth in the Host being made like unto us in all things sin only excepted Heb. 2 17. 5. This is to subject the blessed Body of Christ now in a glorified state to the greatest ignominies such as to go into the belly to be eaten by his enemies to be destroyed by rats and other beasts the verie conceiving of which should cause horrour Qu. Are not these the very words of Institution when Jesus Christ took the Bread This is my Body Ans They are but nothing more usual in Scripture than such figurative expressions as this is to shew the sacramental Union betwixt the Bread and Christs Body as 1 Cor. 10 1. The Rock was Christ Joh. 15 1. I am the true vine which I am sure none can take in the literal sense But I confesse such need not fear to lose their cause who from the Church's Authority can make void Scripture Sense and Reason at once Qu. Wherein doth this contradict Sense or Reason Ans It expresly shews 1. That we must not credit our own eyes and that all who were witnesses of the Miracles of Christ could have no certainty thereof by their sight though these were given to confirm the Truth unto mens senses 2. That the accidents of Bread and Wine such as colour taste c. can remain without their Subject 3. That the same numerical Body should be in so many places at once which is in effect to deny the Body of Christ to be humane and finite Qu. Yet is it not agreeable to take away the Cup from the People in the Eucharist Ans If the written Word have any weight it is then sure how contrarie this is 1. To the Institution and Command of Jesus Christ Mat. 26 27. Which in these words is expresse Drink ye all of it 2. To the Command and Rule given us by the Apostle 1 Cor. 11 23. Let a man examine himself and so let him eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup which hath there a respect to all who have cause for self examination 3. Doth so far frustrate that end of the appointment of the Lords Supper for commemorating his death and sufferings So oft as you eat of this bread and drink of this cup ye shew forth the Lords death till he come again since it is clear they cannot aright celebrate the memory thereof who partake not of that part of the Sacrament whereby we commemorate the effusion of Christ's blood 4. Though in the first administration by Jesus Christ himself the receivers then were Apostles ●et is it manifest he did then enter the whole Christian Church in possession of such a priviledge in that very man●er he gave it and not the least shadow for this restriction to be found SECT XV. Qu. IS there not safe Worshipping God under a visible representation and in an Image according to the practice of the Romish Church Ans It is not their practice only but professed Doctrine and Principle that the Images of the Trinity are not for a shew set up but for Religious adoration which 1. Is a most direct violation of the moral Law Deut. 5 8. Thou shall not make unto thy self any graven Image or the similitude of any thing to bow down to it 2. It is to change the glory of the invisible God into the likenesse of a sinful creature Rom. 1 23. Which none can deny to be the grossest Idolatry 3. It is a most expresse breach of the Command which forbids all serving the true God after the manner which the Heathens used in serving their Idols Deut. 12 30 31. Take heed to thy self that thou be not snared by asking how these Nations did serve their Gods thou shalt not do so to the Lord thy God which is not thou shalt not do so to these Idols but not in that manner to the true God as they did to their Idols 4. There can be no possible representing the Invisible God by any outward resemblance To whom will ye liken me Isa 46 5. And therefore when the Law was given Deut. 4 12. The People Heard a voice but saw no shape lest thereby they should take occasion to represent him by an external image 5. How great a sin it is to conceive or imagine in our hearts that the glorious God is like any thing how excellent soever We think it is clear Acts 17 29. Qu. But can this charge the Romish Church with Idolatry since they do not fix or terminate their Worship on the Image but on what is thus represented Ans No subtil distinction will acquit before the Lord and at the bar of his Word what he hath so expresly condemned when it is clear 1. That not only worshipping with our mind the Image but all corporal adoration thereof is forbidden as Idolatrous worship Thou shalt not bow down thereto 2. None will deny but Aarons calf and those of Jeroboams were intended for the true God yet their worship was most grosse Idolatrie 3. We find the brazen Serpent though an instituted type under the Old Testament taken down and destroyed when once the People begun in an Idolatrous way to look after
this we appeal our adversaries to produce one essential difference betwixt the one and the other from the Records of these times or any Writings of the Fathers 3. That no evidence can be given in contending for the Christian Faith against Heathens and to hold forth the certainty thereof which doth not undeniably answer to confirm the Protestant Religion 4. That in the writings of the greatest Adversaries their bitter invectives against Christianity who in the first times did oppose themselves to the same Doctrine the Protestant Church now owns and professeth such as C●●sus Tryphon Porphyrie Lucian c. There is not the least mention of Popery in any of these Articles against which the Protestant Church contends nor of the Romish Supremacy and Infallibility where they could have had so great advantage to object against the Christian Cause and call its Truth in question Nor did the Jews who objected all they could against the Christian Faith in the least once mention any such points as are now controverted betwixt them and us 5. It is clear from unquestionable Historie and confession of our Adversaries that a continued succession of Orthodox Doctors who did confesse and teach the same Doctrine for the substance that we own have in no times been wanting to the Church nor some visible partie to withstand Poperie and keep up a witnesse to the Truth even in the greatest darknesse as the Romish Writers are forced to confesse That the Protestants now are the same which the Waldenses were of old and the Berengarians before them Qu. Doth not the Popish Religion found on such grounds and Principles as can bring a sufficient certainty therewith of its Truth when it hath the Decr●es Canons and infallible Decisions of their Church to warrant the same and of the Pope as Supreme Head Ans According to their Doctrine Principles they can have no possible certaintie of their Religion nor of that they pretend to found on When 1. They are not agreed nor ever like to be who that infallible Judge is or in whom such an Infallibilitie as they claim is seated whether in a General Council or the Pope alone So as they are in greatest contradiction to other about the very foundation of their Faith nor is this a controversie amongst a few but one part of their Church with greatest heat is opposing the other therein 2. They can have no assurance if they have any Church at all and whether most of their Popes Bishops and Priests be not without Baptism and still laicks without Ordination when their Doctrine and the Council of Trent so expreslie hold the efficacie of all Sacraments of which they reckon Ordination as well as Baptism to be one to depend on the Intention of the Priest who officiates of which none possiblie can be sure 3. Such have no rational certaintie of what they professe to believe who are with their own consent shut out from all proper knowledge of the Scripture and on the testimonie of men must resolve their Faith 4. Is it not on a matter of fact and most doubtful Relation they ground their Faith and adventure their immortal soul where scarce a Shadow or School-problem is to bear up the whole Fabrick of Poperie which is an alledged Presidence of Peter amongst the Apostles while no demonstration can ever be given that Peter was at Rome or that he was Bishop there or if the same priviledges be intailed to his Successours and how these should be chosen in after-times 5. According to their Principles they have no Bible nor any such Authentick Record to prove Religion but what is a Mas●e of dead unsensed Characters that hath no articulate voice or intelligible sound until the Romish Clergie put a sense thereon So that the verie Letter of the Scripture is most evidentlie past from For my self I dare say before him who knoweth all things that I would tremble and stand in a we of any deceit or mistake in the matter of Religion and have in greatest earnest sought to be perswaded of the Truth without respect to interest party or education as that wherein I know an eternal salvation is concerned but can see no way to embrace Poperie except men turn Atheists yea quit all Religion and Reason at once Qu Is not Rome the Catholick and Apostolick Church out of which there is no Salvation Ans We know there is a Catholick Church under the Gospel that consists of all who imbrace the Christian Faith whether bond or free Jewes or Gentiles and is to no particular Nation People or language restricted as under the Law But that the Romish Church can have no possible claim here is unanswerable 〈◊〉 Because no Institution is in the Scripture of such a Church as consisteth of all Christians subjected to one humane Head and Supreme Governour under Jesus Christ on the Earth or where subjection to the Pope is made a condition to Salvation 2. It is clear that in the Apostles time and for many Ages after the Christian Catholick Church had a being when it had no dependence on the See of Rome nor was known by any such Test as to own the Pope and his Supreme Jurisdiction except it be averred that there was one Catholick Church before the setting up of Papacy and the other since essentially different from the former 3. There is no accesse to deny that they are more and of greater extent in the world who embrace the Christian Faith and have no communion with the See of Rome or their Doctrine than such who are subjected thereto 4. As there is on Faith and one Lord Jesus Christ so is there but one body which is his Church united to him as her Head Eph. 4 3. 4. Which is the prorogative of the Son of God alone and incommunicable to any to be the Head thereof but he who for this end died and rose that he might be the Lord of the dead and of the living Rom. 14 9. Qu. Yet is not still the same Christian Religion at least for substance held forth in the Popis● Doctrine which the Protestant Church owns Ans Whatever in words such pretend their Principles and the known Doctrine of the Council of Trent can too visibly resolve this that these do not retain the Christian Faith in the essentials thereof but have razed the very foudation who resolve not their Faith on the Scripture and its Divine Authority but on a humane testimony and deny religious worship to be due to the true God alone but give it unto Angels and Men also who lay another foundation to build on than Jesus Christ another Purgatorie than his blood to purifie us from all sin another Propitiatorie Sacrifice to expiate sin than his Death who was once offered to bear the sins of many Heb. 9 28 another merite than his obedience by which we are made righteous and thus make void the great intent of the Gospel laying down a way of Life and Salvation on the same
but see what Palpable ignorance in some and deceit and falshood is in others of those they thus implicitely credit and that the concernes of this earth and their private interest doth for the most of such more sway than any thing of Religion 3. It is by clearest consequence manifest that this is a visible betaking of themselves to a Covenant of Works and to stand thereby in the most express opposition to the great intent of the Gospel since according to their Principles it is merite yea their own Proper merite must be the way for their obtaining of heaven and all they ascribe to Jesus Christ herein is this only to give life and Salvation to their merites which yet are in themselves and from their own intrinsick worth without the imputation of Christs merite thereto thus meritorious as they terme it ex ●ondigno And thus only do they admit a restoring again by him of a Covenant of Works on the same termes with the first Do this and live 4. It must be at that rate one can be this day Popish of the grossest Idolatry and a turning the glory of the invisible God into the similitude of a corruptible man Rom. 1 vers 23. with a most express counteracting of that great precept of the Moral Law against bowing down and Worshipping of any graven Image they being no less thus guiltie of an Idolatrous Worship than either the Church of Israel of Old or the Pagan world could be charged with since both had a respect further than the Image it self the one to the true God and the other to their feigned Deity 5. What ever liberty this way gives to sin and to lay the stress of their inward peace on the Priests absolution yet it is clear that at that rate on these tearmes can one be Popish this day to subject themselves to a yoke and bondage from men that without a judicial stroke on their Conscience might seeme intolerable such as Auricular Confession to a Priest of their most secret sins and this under the pain of damnation their Pennan●es with that blind and unlimited obedience therein to their Church Guids without access to consult the Scripture as if this way of expiating sin could be a Satisfaction before the holy God such as their whipping of themselves and going in Pilgrimage to some Superstitious place yea thus meritorious because they be grievous to the flesh but why not rather an offering up of the fruit of their body for the sin of their soul as those of old unto Molech which might witness a further degree of doing violence to their own flesh If men might thus think by a sacrifice of their devising to appease the Justice of God 6. This necessarily also must follow an embracement of Popery and subjecting to that way to be put beyond a possibility of any inward peace here or quiet as to their future state in another world since it is undeniable 1. They must have some merite of their own and an humane Satisfaction to confide in and on that foundation of good works lay the weight of obtaining life whilst ye● according to their own Principles they see there is no possible being sure if these shall be found equivalent in value to answere this end 2. That no assurance of Salvation is so much as attaineable according to their Doctrine 3. How sad a cure as have no suteableness therewith to ease a disquiet and awakened Conscience does their Principles bring such as Pennances their own Satisfaction the Pop's Pardon or absolution of the Priest invocation of Saints and Images whence it was in the darkness of Popery most found themselves under that inforcement for so many dotations and to stretch their state to the furthest for soul-masses since they could find no ground for their souls quiet here 4. And does not this way and Doctrine most visibly pursue men not unto death only but beyond it through these tormenting thoughts and fear of a Purgatory to come and that uncertainty as to the time or terme of release so as at the best death must have a terrible and affrighting look 7. If men would bring this near their thoughts no less can serve to be a Popish proselyte than a manifest involvement in the blood of all the Saints which hath been shed and serving themselves Heir to both the guilt and judgment of such horrid and unexpressible cruelty exerced by the Romish Church on those for so many ages past who through grace did resist unto the death striving for the truth against Antichristianisme for it is clear how such comes on the same score by their virtual consent and justifying the same with as real accession before the Lord thereunto as though they had actually concurred Oh what a reckoning will this once be found to enter into eternity with before the judgment seat of Christ 8 And is it now possible for any to be Popish but at that rate of resisting the clearest discoveries of the truth and an express doing despite to the Spirit of Grace a refusing to be cured and to come to the light now when Antichristianisme is by such undeniable evidences revealed to the world as men cannot be in the dark who this great Adversary is that does not shut their own eyes from it Oh! what a revenge does hatred and malice at the truth cause that can turn men cruel against themselves nor is that stroke of judicial blindness more strange and amazeing this day on the Jewes when surrounded with so clear discoveries of the truth than this now may be which is upon the Romish Church tha● cannot see that desperat state they are in when such undeniable light is held out from the Scriptures there anent nay it must be said who will not see this 9. I must here further add how evident also this is to be Popish and enrolled with such a party that it is no less than to stand under that most dreadful peremptory threatning as is in the whole of the Bible denounced against such as i● these times of light shall engage with that way Rev. 14 9. If any man Worship the beast and his Image and receive his mark in his fore head or in his hand the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God which is powred out without mixture into the cup of his indignation and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy Angels and in presence of the Lamb and the smoak of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever and they have no rest day nor night who worship the beast and his imag● and who so receiveth the mark of his name Oh! If men would be so far awakned with the dread of this threatning as once to come and see but with their own eyes to what party this is applicable and expresly pointed at by the Spirit of God there and it is sure they could not then be in the dark how deep it drawes under