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A15130 The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall. Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604. 1574 (1574) STC 25430; ESTC S122027 1,252,474 846

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all learned men both liuing dead They may well be sayde to haue sealed this booke wyth their bloud How they sea led the booke with their bloud bicause they were martyred for that religion that is conteyned in this booke and according to the which this booke was framed and if they were condemned for improuing the articles drawne out of the Masse booke ▪ as you say why maye it not be likewise affirmed that they receyued the sentence of condemnation for approuing the Articles conteyned in the Communion booke I know the booke they dyed for was the booke of God yet did not the aduersarie pretende that but the articles drawne out of this and suche like bookes grounded vpon the worde and booke of God Name one of them who at the time of his death or in y e time of his imprisonmēt declared openly his misliking of certayne things in this booke I can shew you the contrarie That notable vessell of God for learning zeale and vertue inferiour to none of our M. Ridleys testimonie of the booke of cōmon prayer age Master Ridley Bishop of London in his last farewell as it is called looking dayly and hourely when he should go to the stake giueth this testimonie of this same booke of common prayers the whiche the Churche of Englande nowe vseth and you so contemptuously reiect This Churche sayth he of Englande had of late of the M. Foxe infinite goodnesse and abundant grace of almightie God great substance great riches of heauenly treasure plentie of Gods true and sincere worde the true and vvholsome administration of Christes holy sacraments the whole profession of Christes religion truely and playnely set foorth in baptisme the playne declaration and vnderstanding of the same taught in the holy ▪ Catechisme to haue bin learned of all true Christians This Church had also a true and sincere forme and maner of the Lords supper wherin according to Iesus Christes ordināce holy institution Christes cōmaundements were executed and done For vpon the bread and wine set vpon the Lords table thāks were giuen the commemoration of the Lords death was had the bread in the remembrance of Christes body torne vpon the crosse was broken and the cuppe in remembrance of Christes bloud was distributed and both communicated vnto all that were present and woulde receyue them and also they were exhorted of the minister so to do All was done openly in the vulgare tongue so that euery thing mighte be bothe easily heard and playnely vnderstoode of all the people to Gods high glory and the edification of the whole Church This Church had of late the whole diuine seruice all common and publike prayers ordeyned to be sayde and heard in the common congregarion not onely formed and fashioned to the true vayne of the holy Scripture but also set foorth according to the commaundement of the Lorde and S. Paules doctrine for the peoples edification in their vulgar tongue But I knowe his testimonie shall weigh with you as all other mens doe howbeit I trust it will pearce the hearts of the godly Neyther is this to oppose the bloud of men to the bloud of the sonne of God when the martyrdome of men is brought into beare witnesse vnto the truthe of God Chap. 1. the. 3. Diuision Ansvvere to the Admonition Pag. 149. Sect. vlt. 150. Sect. 1. 2. The vnperfectnesse of this booke and such things in the fame as be culled and picked out of that popishe dunghill the Masse booke with the contents therein that be agaynst the worde of God shall appeare I am sure in your seuerall reasons for it is not sufficient for you barely to saye so without witte learning or reason This you know right wel that in so saying you make the Papists Aduantage gi uen to the papistes by the Admonitours leape for ioye bicause they haue gotten suche companions to assaulte this booke whylest they rest them lye as it were in sleepe O that the wyse men of this realme suche I meane as be in authoritie see not this Popishe practise and seeke not with more earnestnesse to preuent it Will ye suffer the Papists to gather strength and to multiplie by tollerating such Libellers vnder the pretēce of reformatiō to discredite so muche as lyeth in them yea to ouerthrow the whole state and substance of religion in this Churche Bee not secure but watche and remember the beginning and encrease of the Anabaptistes of late in Germanie whiche I haue described in my Preface to this booke You saye that you can not but much maruell at the craftie wilynesse of those men whose partes it had beene first to haue proued eache and euery content therin to be agreable to Gods word c. Nay surely but it were your parts rather to proue The apponēt must proue by rules of Logike that there is something therein contrarie or not agreable to Gods worde For such as be learned and knowe the manner of reasoning say that the Opponent must proue or improue and not the answerer They stande to the defense and mayntenance of the booke you seeke to ouerthrowe it it is your partes therfore to iustifie your assertions by reasons and arguments T. C. Pag. 157. Sect. 1. For the Papistes triumphe I haue answered before and I will not striue about the Goates 〈◊〉 who is the apponent and who the respondent in this difference Io. Whitgifte Thus you passe all this ouer in silence for I doe not remember where you haue answered one worde to it Chap. 1. the. 4. Diuision Admonition They should first proue by the worde of God that a reading seruice going before and with the administration of the sacraments is according to the worde of God that wafer cakes for theyr bread when they minister it surplesse and cope to doe it in churching of women comming in vayles abuong the Psalme to hir I haue lifted vp mine eyes vnto the hilles c. and suche other Psal. 120. foolishe things are agreable to the written worde of the almightie Ansvvere to the Admonition Pag. 151. Sect. 2. 152. Sect 1. I doe not well vnderstande your meaning would you haue vs to proue that to reade prayers before and with the administration of The order of prayers in the Communion booke agreable to y e scripture the sacraments is according to the worde of God In deede in the booke of seruice there is first appoynted to be read some one or two profitable sentences mouing eyther to prayer or to repentance after followeth a generall confession then the Lords prayer and certayne Psalmes nexte certayne chapters out of the olde and newe Testamente c. laste of all the administration of the sacramente If you aske me of the sentences they be scripture If of the Lordes prayer Psalmes and chapters they be scripture also If of the sacrament of the Supper it is according to scripture Matth. 26. Marke 14. Luke 22. 1. Cor. 11. If of
them not morall They called that first part properly by that name moral without the which the true holynesse of maners and the immutable rule of liuing could not well consist And agayne The law of God forbiddeth to steale what punishment was appoynted for thefte in the pollicie of the Iewes appeareth ▪ in Exod. The moste auncient lawes of other nations Exod. 22. punished theft with double they which followed afterwarde made a difference betwixte open theft and that which was secret others condemned the theeues with exile banishment others adiudged them to be whipped and last of all others to be put to death False witnesse amongst the Iewes was punished with equal payne in respect of the hurt in other places onely with infamie in other places with hanging c. All lawes ioyntly do reuenge murder with bloud but yet with diuers kindes of death In some places there are greeuouser paynes appoynted for adulterers in other places those which are more easie yet we see how they al by this diuersitie of punishment tende to one ende for they al with one consent do giue sentence of punishment agaynst those offences which are condemned by the eternall law of God to wit murder theft ad ltrie false witnesse but they agree not all in the maner of the punishment Neyther truly is it necessarie or expedient that they shoulde agree herein ☞ There is a countrey which should out of hande be destroyed with theeues and slaughter if it did not with horrible example deale very sharpely with murderers There is a so some time which requireth the augmentation of the sharpnesse of punishment and some people very prone vnto some certayne sinne except they be with great rigour kepte in awe He is then very euill affected and enuieth the publike commoditie that is offended with thys diuersitie which is most meete to reteyne the obseruatiō of the law of God For that which some men obiect that by this meanes iniurie is done to the lawe of God whiles it beeing abrogated other lawes are preferred before it is most vaine For other lawes are not preferred before it but allowed not by any simple comparison in respect of Gods law but according to the condition of time place and nation neither can that be sayde to be abrogated ☞ which was neuer prescribed vnto vs for God deliuered it by the handes of Moses not for all natiōs but particularly for the Iewes c. M. Beza likewise in his booke de haer Magist. puniend of this matter writeth thus VVe acknowledge those politike lawes to be prescribed Beza onely to the countrey of the Iewes neither are we so vnskilfull that we woulde haue Moses common wealth or gouernment called backe agayne as though it were not lawfull for euery Magistrate within his owne dominion to make lawes in ciuill matters And a little after The Iudiciall lawes were framed only for one nation Therefore seeing they were neuer written for vs they can not be sayd to be abrogated And agayne Onely the Israelites were bound to the Iudiciall lawes that is those that dwell in Iurie bicause they were made fit for that common wealth onely And after that he hath shewed by an example of the lawe for theft that that maner kinde of punishment did onely binde the Israelites that other Magistrates in their countreys for good causes maye appoynt a sharper kinde of punishment for the same he cōcludeth thus Lex enim illa Mosis Idem quatenùs poenae modū praescribit alijs gentibus neque vnquā fuit posita neque nūc est propriè abrogata That lawe of Moses in so muche as it prescribeth the maner of punishment was neyther ☜ at any time giuen to other nations neither is it now properly abrogated So that now they that be disposed may perceyue howe this doctrine of yours not onely tendeth to the ouerthrowing of states of cōmon wealthes but is contrarie also to the truth and opinion of learned men and those especially of whome you your selfe make greatest accompt Therefore it is true that I haue sayde in my answere to the Admonition that is The Iudicial law to be left to the discretion of the Magistrate to adde to it or to take from it or to alter and chaunge it as shall be thought most fit for the time manner of the countrey and condition of the people as M. Caluin also very aptly noteth in the very ende of that 15. section before rehearsed Chap. 6. the 5. Diuision Ansvvere to the Admonition Pag. 31. Lin. 21 ▪ So hath he lefte authoritie vnto his Churche to make lawes and appoynt orders ceremonies as shall from time to time be thought most expedient and profitable for the same so that nothing be done contrarie to his worde or repugnant to the same And this authoritie hath the Churche vsed euen from the Apostles time as it is manifest both by the scriptures Act. 6. Act. 15. 1. Cor. 11. other ecclesiasticall stories and auncient fathers as is before by me proued Iohn Whitgifte To this nothing is answered Chap. 6. the. 6. Diuision Ansvvere to the Admonition Pag. 31. Sect. 1. But to come to the wordes of Deuteronomie them selues what is it to adde to the worde of God or to take from it Truely to thinke otherwise or teache otherwise of God than he hathe in his worde reuealed Those take from the worde that beleeue lesse than in the worde is expressed those adde to the worde fyrste whiche teache or decree any thing eyther in matters of faythe or ceremonies contrarie to the worde Secondly those that make any thing necessarie vnto saluation not conteyned in the worde Thirdly such as make any religion or opiniō of merite in any thing that they themselues haue inuented besides the worde of God Last of all they adde to the word which forbid that for a thing of it selfe vnlawfull which Gods worde doth not forbid and make that sinne which Gods word doth not make sinne But such as truly sincerely imbrace the worde of God and admit nothing contrarie vnto it if in gouernment ceremonies without any wicked superstitious opinion they appoynt or retayne such as they know not to be agaynst the worde of God and profitable for the present state of the Church can not truly be sayd to adde any thing to the worde of God or take any thing from it though the same be not expressed in the worde T. C. Pag. 22. Sect. 3. After you define what it is to take from and put to the word of God wherin not to speake of your wonderfull * There is no great dexteritie required to performe this dexteritie in defining which can define two thinges and those contrarie putting to and taking fro with one difference which Zeno him self could neuer do you leaue out that which Moses especially ment to comprehende which is not to do more nor to do lesse than he hathe commanded And as for your diuision