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A43778 A dialogue between Timotheus & Judas, concerning a pamphlet called, The growth of deism in England Hill, Henry, 1643?-1707. 1646 (1646) Wing H1986; ESTC R24374 34,068 66

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or our Scorn This Prodigal has left his Father's House and spent his Substance and would be eating Husks abroad with Swine rather than the fatted Calf with his Father It had been enough for Mr. Lock to have preferred him as he does to Grotius for I known no Man of that mind but himself but to esteem of his Abilities beyond those of our blessed Saviour and all his Apostles put together betrays a Judgment more bewildred than the Fancies of Bedlamites are in Dreams But the Author of that Letter knew very well that this Request would undervalue both the Perfection and Authority of the Scriptures and he had his Cue set him I doubt not as well as his Forerunner the Author of the Growth of Deism It was not fit for that Author who was sent out first by the Party to try the ways to Ride at all Adventures and therefore he glased a little in the Acknowledgment of the Truth of Christianity The Author of the Letter that comes after him now the Road is beaten Rides somewhat brisker up against Revelation with his If 's and And 's as If the History of the Gospel be true And if the Pretences of Christianity be well grounded c. And if this comes off as well as the former I doubt not but in a little time we shall have a Third spur up full speed in the face of the Christian Religion and tell us plainty That 't is a meer Forgery and a piece of Priest craft and that the Romans did but Right when they punished Jesus Christ the Patron of it with the Punishment of a Slave For let them pretend what they will of their belief of Christianity this is their design and the Morals of Plutarch or Tully or Seneca or Mahomet are altogether of as good Authority with them as the Scriptures For if once you come to talk with them of the mysterious Efficacy of the Sacraments of the great Ends of our Saviour's Manifestation in his Birth Life Death Resurrection and Ascension which are the great Characteristicks of the Christian Religion they take their leave of the Scriptures there and you had as good tell them a Tale out of the Legend of the Sleepers and they will believe it as soon These they cry out upon as unintelligable Mysteries not that they are so but are obvious to the Capacity of any Honest and Ordinary Christian but they do not fall within their Scheme and what they will not believe they will not understand Sir said I what you have said puts me in mind of what the Author of the Growth of Deism saith Page 28. That he cannot frame to himself an Idea How the Body and Blood of Christ are verily and indeed received in the Sacrament when we say there is no other Body there but that of the Bread The Men of the Church of England tell me indeed says he that they mean it in a spiritual sense but he had tried he said and found it impossible to form an Idea of a Body verily and indeed in a spiritual sense 'T is true replied my Friend he does so and with Ignorance enough of the Doctrine of the Church of England and the great Ends of our Saviour's Sufferings For by these words That the Body and Blood of Christ are verily and indeed taken by the Faithful is meant no more than that all those Blessings and Benefits which were purchased for us by the Body and Blood of Christ are communicated to all Faithful Receivers in and by those Elements of Bread and Wine which are the Real but Mystical Body of Christ Now however this Man for want of a right Faith of the great Ends of our Saviour's Death cannot said he form to himself an Idea thereof yet as there is no Christian of common capacity but may frame to himself a very congruous and familiar Notion of what the Church of England means in this Point so is there of Faithful Receiver but from the Real Presence of the Invisibe Power of Christ's Spirit quickning and enlivening his Soul by his spiritual Graces and Workings in and by the faithful Reception of those Elements but can give an Experimental Testimony to the truth of it Upon what my Friend had said I told him I was verily satisfied now that these men did intend to reduce all Religion to Deism but pray Sir how do you make it appear that without a standing Revealed Rule Mankind will quickly sink into Atheism or Idolatry To which he replyed Easily enough and in a few words The best way Sir says he to judge what would be if such things should happen is by reflecting on what has been when they did happen Now Sir said he if ever there were any True Deism in the world it was in Adam's time yet if we will believe Maimonides he tells us in the beginning of his first Book of Idolatry that Idolatry began in the days of Enos which was but two hundred and thirty five years after the Creation scarce in those days the Infancy of a man After the General deluge a Judgment on all Mankind for this their scandalous Apostacy to the days of Abraham are not reckoned quite three hundred years in which time the Infancy also of this second World Idolatry had not only prevailed amongst the Ignorant sort of people but amongst the wisest and learnedst of Men. For Historians make Zoroaster contemporary with Abraham who first started the Worship of two Beginnings And if Zoroaster lived in Abraham's Time we may reckon him but a third Generation from Adam Abraham being born threescore years before the Death of Noah Noah above five hundred before the death of Methusalem and Methusalem two hundred and forty before the Death of Adam Now if a Man of those great Parts Wisdom and Learning which Zoroaster is said to be of and who could doubtless write as good a Moral as our Author was so ridiculously imposed upon by the Devil as to believe and worship two Beginnings what gross Idolatry must the more Ignorant of Mankind lye under think you in those Days Thus Sir said my Friend I have in a few words shewn you the speedy Apostacy of those Original Deists from Almighty God in the very Infancy of Times after the Creation and after the Flood and yet those Primitive Deists had several great advantages which the Deists of these later Ages cannot pretend to As first of all Sir said he They had the advantage of Tradition and thereby an easie means of a right Information and themselves in the knowledge of God and his Worship from Adam the Patriarchs and their own Fathers 2ly They had the advantage of Angelical Messengers and Messages which God vouchsafed them in those days before he had given them a standing revealed Rule for the better discovery of himself and his Will to them And lastly They had this advantage also that besides those Heavenly Annunciators of his Will God did constantly in all Ages raise up a Noah a