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A07344	An antidote against popery confected out of scriptures, fathers, councels, and histories. Wherein dialogue-wise are shewed, the points, grounds, and antiquitie of the Protestant religion; and the first springing vp of the points of popery: together with the Antichristianisme thereof. Being alone sufficient to inable any Protestant of meane capacitie, to vnderstand and yeeld a reason of his religion, and to incounter with and foyle the aduersary. By Iohn Mayer, B.D. and pastor of the Church of little Wratting in Suffolke.	Mayer, John, 1583-1664.	1625 (1625)	STC 17729; ESTC S102861	69,172	94

neuer be deceiued Serg. Paul Will the Spirit alwayes abide where once he hath sanctified or may not a relapse to carnality and sinne cause him to depart that so the estate of that man who hath beene once sanctified through his owne default may become as damnable or more damnable then before which if it may happen to be so what certainty can any man haue Saul He that is borne of God sinneth not neither can be 1 Iohn 3.9 because he is borne of God If I haue seemed to speake otherwise of those that haue beene enlightned and made partakers of the Holy Ghost Heb. 6.6 I sayd it to stirre vp to worke out saluation with feare and trembling and not as positiuely setting down that such might fall away Wherefore I added I am perswaded better things of you and such as accompany saluation Heb. 6.9 for God is not vnfaithfull to forget your labour and worke in the Lord. And he that hath begun this good worke Phil. 1.6 will perfect is in you Serg. Paul What is the fift particular point Saul The fift is That the soules of the faithfull being iustified by Christ doe immediately after their departure out of their bodies take possession of that inheritance which he hath by his blood purchased for them and that there is not any punishment by a Purgatory fire to bee further endured before their comming into heauen Luke 12. For Lazarus was caried immediately into Abrahams bosome and the dead that dye in the Lord are said to be blessed Because they rest from their labours which were not true Reu. 14.13 if they had more misery yet to passe through rather greater then any already past Serg. Paul But then thy selfe hast taught 1 Cor. 3.11 that euery one must be tryed in the fire after which he whose worke abideth shall be rewarded Saul Thou art vtterly mistaken for I neuer taught that euery man must be tryed by the fire but euery mans worke concerning which it may be doubted here euen as of mettall before it commeth to the fire but at the last day which shall be a time of fire and burning flames it will plainly appeare what solid or chaffie doctrine any man hath built vpon the true foundation Christ because the righteous Iudge of the whole world comming in person will lay euery thing open as it is They are very inconsiderate therefore that take this as spoken of persons it being altogether besides my purpose there to speake of any but builders or of any paine by them to be suffered after death for the more clarifying of them from sinne but onely of the difference of their acceptance before God at the last as they haue beene solid or sleighty in their building that golden Doctors of the Church might be incouraged and the chaffie terrified as being like if they would not build better to come into great perill at the last Serg. Paul What is the fixt particular point Saul The sixt is that when any are departed out of this life we that suruiue can doe nothing auailable to their saluation by offering vp any prayers almes or sacrifice Because as the rich man being dead Luke 16.26 it was said they that would come from thence could not so we beleeue that there is no remouing of soules from woe to blisse but as the tree falleth so it lyeth 2 Sam 12. And therefore as Dauid prayed for his child being aliue but when it was dead ceased so to doe in like manner we pray for the sicke as being yet capable of mercy but if they be dead we cease from praying any more being assured that to pray now is no more deuotion but superstition sauoring more of violent affection then of right reason Serg. Paul What is the seuenth particular point Saul The seuenth is that the Sacrament of the Lords Supper ought to bee administred to all the people in both kinds and that it is a Sacrament consisting of two parts the thing signifying and the thing signified and not a sacrifice of Christs very body and blood there substantially present as when he was crucified vpon the Crosse iterated againe by the Priest to as great auaile as when he suffered for vs. For this were not to remember Christ absent in the flesh but to bring him backe againe to the death tenne thousand times ouer and to make a miracle the obiect of faith when as the proper end of miracles is to helpe vs to beleeue things inuisible themselues being alwayes visible and sensible Serg. Paul Is not the Lord then to be beieeued who saith This is my body Saul Yes by all meanes but as in other speeches wee must not looke so much to the letter as to the sense as when he saith I am the Vine I am the Doore I am the Way Iohn ●5 1 in all which hee is figuratiue so here taking the speech as it is meant we beleeue it with all our hearts that the bread is Christs body to the faithfull receiuer and is thus called because by it Christ is exhibited and receiued indeed Serg. Paul What is the eighth particular point Saul The eighth point is that in Baptisme there is true and certaine remission of sinnes to all repentant and faithfull persons but not an abolition of naturall corruption for that remaineth still in the baptized to intice Iam. 1 14. Gal. 5.17 Rom. 7.23 and to draw to actuall sinning in so much that the regenerate cannot doe what they would nor yet I my selfe for I find in mee the law of my members rebelling against the law of my mind and leading mee captiue to the law of sinne Serg. Paul What is the ninth particular point Saul The ninth is that these two Sacraments are all the Sacraments of the New Testament because the Lord Iesus ordained these and none of the other fiue which by some are added to make vp the number seuen For a sacrament is Gods seale and so properly to be appointed by him who alone hath the power ouer that which is sealed vp hereby Serg. Paul What is the tenth particular point Saul The tenth point is that the best are not so perfectly righteous in this life neither can any attaine to such perfection in keeping Gods Lawes but that they are still much faulty for in many things wee sinne all and Iam. 3.2 1 Iohn 1.8 If wee say that we haue no sinne we deceiue our selues and there is no truth in vs. Serg. Paul What doth Christ then command vs things impossible for he biddeth vs be perfect Mat. 5.48 Phil. 3.15 as our Father which is in heauen is perfect and thou thy selfe hast said so many of vs as be perfect let vs be thus minded Saul There is a twofold perfection of parts and of degrees perfection of parts is when a man hath not onely one grace or a few graces but all graces perfection of degrees is when a man hath attained such a measure of

So that we may most truely affirme that there is no one tenent of our Church but we haue a plaine place of Scripture for it but it may truly be retorted vpon you that you haue not one plaine place for any one of your tenents or practices so that ye are faine miserably to wrest and straine any text hence alledged and when that will not doe to fly to Apochryphall bookes traditions and ridiculous fables Elym Are all these sayings in your Bible if they bee it is more then I know but sure I am that there are sentences plainly teaching the same that we doe For what else is that saying of our Sauiour This is my body and my flesh is meat indeed and blood drinke indeed and vpon this rocke will I build my Church and to thee will I giue the Keyes of the Kingdome of heauen and againe Peter feed my sheepe And touching the Church Math. 18.17 1 Tim 3.15 If he heareth not the Church let him be to thee as an Ethnicke and the Church is the ground and pillar of truth Touching other points we need none other Scripture seeing to the Church it is promised Ioh. 16.13 When he is come which is the spirit of truth he will lead you into all truth Wherefore the Church cannot erre and whatsoeuer is by her propounded as matter of faith or practice must needs then be right But bee it knowne vnto you that wee want not plaine places for particular points Touching iustification Iam. 2.24 A man is not iustified by faith onely but by workes Touching prayer for the dead There is a sinne vnto death I say not that yee should pray for it 1 Ioh. 5.16 Iam. 5.14 Luke 7.47 Math. 25. Touching extreame vnction They shall pray for him and anoint him in the name of the Lord. Touching the merit of workes Many sinnes are forgiuen her because shee hath loued much and Come ye blessed c. for I was hungry and yee fed me c. For time would faile me if I should go on to alleage all the places that plainly make for vs. Paul You doe well so to slieglit our euidences brought out of the holy Scriptures because they are so plaine that they cannot bee answered neither indeed doe your sect much acquaint your selues with the Bible for there are some students in Diuinity of many yeares that neuer read the Bible To your places therefore How doth the speech of our Sauiour make for Transubstantiation without altering or adding It is meat indeed we confesse but he saith not is meat for the body nor yet in explaining himself afterwards hath he one word intimating a bodily substance that he would giue to be fed vpon but the clean contrary for he saith Ioh. 6.63 the flesh profiteth nothing my words are spirit and life Againe for those sayings vnto Peter there is nothing plaine for Peters supremacy for his bearing vp all as a foundation and much lesse for his pretended successours the Bishops of Rome For plainly to teach these things had beene to haue said vpon thee and thy successours will I build my Church and to thee and to him that shall succeed thee in thy Bishopricke at Rome I will giue authority ouer all others But so far is the Lord from this that when there was iust occasion offered vpon the motion of the mother of Zebedees children to declare the supreme when they contended about it amongst themselues hee speaketh no word to settle the supremacy vpon any one but altogether to stop the mouth of any from once challenging it But I haue spoken sufficiently of this before so that I shall not need to adde any thing about his commission to feed his sheepe It is maruaile that when all chiefe points of faith are so plainely expressed that this which is so much stood vpon as inferiour to none should be so obscurely passed ouer Touching the Church there is nothing plainely spoken that it shall be alwayes visible but onely it may be implyed that as long as there are Christians to doe those mutuall offices of reproouing one another for sinne there shall be a discipline exercised in the Church how corrupt soeuer for the chastisement of such as are complained of as manifest transgressors of the Law the iust proceedings whereof notwithstanding the corruptions are of force to the terror of malefactors For that saying tell the Church at that time had reference to a most corrupt Church of Scribes and Pharisees whose authority was yet by the Lord established saying Math. 23.1 whatsoeuer they bid you obserue that obserue and doe So that from hence nothing more can be rightly taught no not by inference but that there shall alwayes be some visible Church good or bad which we also acknowledge But in case that there bee two such Churches together who doubteth forsaking that which is corrupt to goe to the best and soundest Touching error from which you seeke to exempt your Church because the Church is called the gound and pillar of truth what is this to the present Church of Rome the sinke of most grosse errors and superstitions The true Church indeed such as it was in those dayes founded vpon the Prophets and Apostles Christ himselfe being the chiefe corner slone Ephes 2.20 was the ground of truth because therein the truth was preserued and vpheld and wheresoeuer it is so at this day that Church is likewise the ground and pillar of truth But it doth not necessarily follow that wheresoeuer the Church is whether sound or corrupt it is the ground of truth for so much as the truth held and eleaued vnto in all things maketh the Church the pillar and ground of truth and not the Church that to be true whatsoeuer she shall think good to propound For otherwise Christ the Prophets Apostles with their dictates institutions and writings should not bee a ground vnto men succeeding and inferiour to them but these men should bee a ground vnto them which were absurd And the same I answer to that promise of the spirit it was peculiar to the Apostles and special instruments stirred vp for those times to be so guided into all truth as not to erre because what came from them was to bee a ground to the faithfull in all succeeding ages and it is most palpably wrested to your Church now And if your fundamentall places be thus impertinently alledged the rest will fall without any labour at the least most worthy Sergius you may be able to iudge hereof by that which hath beene already spoken in laying open the faith of the reformed Church Serg. Paul When these places were first alledged by Elymas I thought it impossible to answer them and therefore did begin to incline to thinke better of the Roman Church then you had perswaded me but now I see that they are but the painting and colouring of a deformed face being without all true beauty And for the places omitted I haue them

to tremble and to take occasion to repent by Gods iudgements yet when Corah Dathan and Abiram with their company are in the very offering of their incense destroyed their seruice as a conspiracy is confounded that all men may take heed of it and the seruice of Moses and Aaron honoured I could ascend higher to times past and shew miracles in the fufferings of our Martyrs and in the iudgements vpon your persecutors and I could inlarge my selfe to speake of the miraculous preseruation of Geneua and of the wonderfull successe of the Protestants in France in former times and of some Kings there and of the Bohemians in the time of Iohn Husse and it shall suffice to haue giuen this taste at home and so neare hand Elym These outward things are no proofes Eccl 9.2 seeing all things fall out alike vnto all But in the midst of all your good successe ye haue not been able to inlarge your Religion but onely to a few countreys here in Europe whereas the true Church is Catholike ouerspreading all Nations which marke is in the Church of Rome but not in yours Paul You abuse that Text of all things falling out alike to all For that is spoken only of the godly and the wicked which are religious and care not for religion and not of those that are zealous for their religion bee it true or false when they are all bound to embrace the truth For in this case God hath euer put a plaine difference betwixt those of his people that haue worshipped him aright and that haue beene corrupted by idolatry powring downe great and manifest blessings vpon the one sort and apparant curses vpon the other as it is at large set forth in the bookes of Iudges Samuel and the Kings thus as the great Vmpire ouer all determining for the Truth and against Errour As for the Catholocisme which you so much bragge of I haue already shewed that Grecia a part of the world not the furthest remote hath neuer wholly imbraced your Religion and by your cruclties your Church hath become so odious amongst the Indians that they abhorre it therefore and it is notoriously knowne that by your very images and faithlesnesse the Turkes haue been hindred from ruining to Christianitie and so haue the sca●tered Iewes Our Church is Apostolike as hath beene proued and therefore Catholike though the time is not yet come since the reformation of being inlarged to all parts for so neither was Christianitie vpon the sudden though caried forth by extraordinary instruments But to yeeld the pretended vniuersality of your Church so corrupted what tendeth this vnto indeed but to proue your Church to bee spirituall Babel and your Pope to be the whore of Babel seeing as shee so Rome sitteth as a Queene and ruleth ouer the Nations of the earth Serg. Paul Fie fie Paul this sauoureth rather of spleene then of sound iudgement for that Babylon is a persecuter of all Christians and an open oppugner of Christ and so may with good reason indeed bee reputed heathen Rome vnder the persecuting Emperours but not Popish Rome wherein Christ is honoured and Christians are harboured Paul Worthy Sir I speake out of no spleene but aduisedly pitying the people that being seduced by this whore run headlong after her to their own destruction For that popish Rome and not heathen Rome is that Babel I proue by these 2 inuincible reasons First from her name the great Whore Reu. 17.1 vers 5. and the mother of whordomes and abhomiuations of the earth Now whordome in the Scripture phrase as all know is Idolatry and yet euery idolatrous nation is not said to be a whore but only that where God hath beene rightly worshipped but his worship is become corrupt by the bringing in of Idols for in this respect when Iudah and Israel are said to haue playd the whore neither Babel nor Sodom nor any other nation is taxed by this name Whence is necessarily followeth that Rome where God hath beene truly worshipped but since hath beene by Idols corrupted must be meant by Babel that great whore and not heathen Rome which was originally idolatrous Again the other part of the name the Mother of Whordomes implyeth a place from whence the idolatries of other Countreys haue sprung such as was not Heathen Rome which receiued her idolatries from other nations as she subdued them that they might the more willingly obey the Romane State but Popish Rome the very mother of all the Idolatries in all nations round about Secondly I reason from the end of this Babel Reuel 18 2. Babylon is falne and is become the habitation of Deuils the bold of all foule spirits and a Cage of euery vncleane and hatefull bird And againe vers 3. She shall be burnt with fire Heathen Rome falling this desolation hath not succeeded but was more worthily inhabited then euer before with Christians in stead of Ethnicks and therefore this Babel is not that Rome but Rome that now is whose iudgements shall be according to her blessings as the iudgements of Ierusalem not to bee once destroyed and then repeopled againe but to be burnt with fire neuer to be againe reedifyed but to remaine a perpetuall spectacle of desolation for the glory of Gods iustice against such a sinke of abhominations Serg. Paul But you haue not yet touched that note which chiefly is pointed at as the cause of Babels ruine In her was found the blood of the Prophets and of the Saints Reu. 18.24 c. What Prophets or Saints haue beene slaine in Rome since the Christians bare sway She hath honoured many Saints with canonizing them but blood of Saints she hath shed none Paul By Prophets as all know are vnderstood Preachers of the Gospell and by Saints godly and faithfull people for such in the holy Scriptures are called saints the Pope canonized saints not being knowne then And of these what place in the world so full of the blood as Popish Rome sith she hath beene the bellows to blow vp the coales that haue burnt thousands of most godly innocent people and from her hath been deriued the bloody cruelty which hath been exercised by the Potentates of the earth against the numberlesse shepheards and sheepe of Christs flocke to the destroying of them in most inhumane and barbarous manner I thanke you therefore for putting me in minde of this note for by cruelty and blood-shed is the sinne of the Church of Rome come to the height neither doth any thing threaten so formidable iudgmēts against her as the cry of so much innocent blood shed with such exquisite torments that if Nebuchadnezzar King of Babel were aliue he might be asham'd that hee could inuent no more long lingring tormenting death but cast those that would not worship his Image into a hot fiery furnace so hot as that they might bee presently dispacht when as the King of this Babel hath an hundred wayes more tormenting to destroy his oppugners