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A90523 A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P. Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660. 1641 (1641) Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734 348,418 298

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yeelded considering as they also alledged that the benefit to be expected from dealing in these matters would be but of a narrow extent reaching onely to the satisfaction of a few and little concerning the maine cause that the Authours good name and blessed remembrance is so deeply ingraven in the hearts of those that are acquainted with his wayes and writings that no envie nor obloquie shall ever be able to rase it out Againe they that will but compare the Answer and Replyes together and distinguish betwixt plaine dealing and groundlesse surmises evidence of trueth and uncharitable insinuations shall hardly need any further help for their satisfaction specially if they be mindfull of the Rule 1. Tim. 5.19 from which these opposites have too too frequently swarved and in which respect Mr D. had just cause to intreat his Reader (f) Apol. repl praef neer the end to suspend his censure concerning what he hath said c. Moreover that plausible and colourable name of the Church used by the Replyers when they spake of a few dissenting from the Authour is now further manifested to be inconsistent with those passages whereunto in such sort it was applyed forasmuch as they that then complained doe now quietly enjoy themselves and communion with the Church in the continued observation of the same orders that were practised before except onely W. B. the foreman of the Complaynants now a professed Arminian And of those that once joyned with him some before others since the Authours death have plainly signifyed their better respects unto him and given free and full testimony of his well deservings even of that Church both for Doctrine and Discipline To returne unto his Defence here published the greater part of it is in way of answer to Mr C. who hath been the forwardest and largest in this part of the plea touching Classes and Synods It seemes also that he hath not been a little confident of his paines about this work by the reiterated editions and sundry shapes into which this his writing touching Independent government hath been cast The (g) Printed in the yeare 1635. first edition which the Authour here deales with was seconded with another into which he hath taken onely that which concernes this controversie adorning it with this new and faire title (h) In the y. 1641. Syons Prerogative Royall And this hath been answered (i) Disput Theol. de Unione Ecclesiarum carumque Regimine in Classibus Synodis par post Ultraj 1641. by the famous and truely excellent Divine of these countries D. Voctius A third edition it seemes hath been put forth with some additions against the Presbyteries of particular Churches under another title viz. The Presbyteriall Government examined And this also hath been examined and answered by the Authour of the (k) Edinb 1641. Assertion of the Government of the Church of Scotland c. in the Postscript thereunto annexed Thus the same writing hath met with severall Refutations whereof though this be the last in birth yet it was the first in conception And here the Authour as he tooke more time so he hath more closely followed his opposite being better acquainted with his condition and courses hath more neerly applyed his answers unto him for further conviction However * August de Trin. l. 1. c. 3. it may be profitable to behold severall learned men avouching and pleading for the same trueth and many blowes may beat downe an errour that could not be felld at once But it may seeme strange that Mr Cannes writings being such as the severall Refuters have observed them to be should yet have the honour of three severall Refutations See afterw p. 145 146. c. Who ever saw such grosse Logicall mistakes in one that makes such a flourish with Syllogisticall reasonings Who ever saw in a serious writing such abundance of quotations so generally perverted or so little to the purpose He vainely alledgeth above an 100 testimonies of Authours old and new to prove that which was never denyed by those whom he opposeth And yet on the other side who so confident of his owne cause amidst such barrenes of proofe where there was need of it either from Scripture or approved Authours Let those that seem to hold with him in this controversie judge whether Mr C. be not in these respects a Disputer one of a thousand as his phrase is (l) Ch. pl. p. 15. elswhere to another purpose How comes it then to passe that they that have been induced to write in defence of Presbyteriall and Classicall government have had no other matter to work upon but what was affoorded by Mr C. or that the cause of Independencie which makes so great a noyse among some yeelds yet so little to be seen for the maintenance of it May not we justly doubt concerning others that seem to favour this way that their judgements are not setled in this poynt by how much they are so slow to professe what they hold and upon what grounds If they agree with Mr D. and Mr C. and their grounds pretences be the same with theirs they may here receive satisfaction But some happily will think the Authour hath been needlesly curious in noting the manifold grosse faylings of Mr C. both in his Reasonings and Quotations For answer hereunto besides that for the most part they be such as in this thorough kinde of refuting used by the Authour could not be passed over with silence it appeares that Mr C. stands in need of being told of these faults for in his latter edition of the same things I finde not any of these foule mistakes amended Herein onely he hath somewhat corrected himself that what he had before (m) Chur. plea p. 74 76. asscribed to Mr Paget now he attributes it (n) Syons prer roy p. 16 21. to the Presbyterian governours and such as stand for Presbyteriall government hereby acknowledging that what he had before called (o) Ch. pl. p. 71. Mr Pagets new doctrine (p) Ibid. p. 77. Mr Pagets lately-devised Tenets (q) Ibid. p. 81. Mr Pagets new opinion was neither his device nor sole opinion but common with him to at least all that allow of the government of the Church of Scotland from whom that Mr C. might professe his dissent he hath put in the words Presbyterie and Presbyterian with Classis and Classicall seeing the Presbyteries in Scotland are in effect the same with the Classis and Classicall seeing the Presbyteries in Sctoland are in effect the same with the Classes in these countries For the publishing of this Treatise I had more need to plead excuse for not setting it forth before according to their judgement who have frequently called upon me and encouraged me unto the finishing of this taske rather then to provide against their displeasure who are apt to censure as unseasonable what in this kinde is unwelcome unto them But for the seasonablenes of it let the