Faith And all this may be attributed unto Christ the Author thereof And to what End but that as they had believed on him to be the Son of God so they might come to grow from Strength to Strength from Grace to Grace until they might be living Witnesses not only that he was the Author and Object of their Faith but also the Finisher thereof unto Eternal Salvation Secondly As before is signified there is a Faith in the Blood of Christ for Remission of Sins and this Faith is unto Salvation and wheresoever 't is manifested 't is accompanied with Fruits of the Spirit and Evangelical Obedience which are as inseparable each from other as Sanctification and Justification in the Objection are confest to be The Author to the Hebrews tells us That Christ the Son of God became the Author of Eternal Salvation Heb. 5.9 unto all them that Obey him This shews that Obedience unto Christ which undoubtedly is no other but Obedience of Faith was a Qualification accompanying such as were made Partakers of the Salvation of God Who then dare say Such Obedience is of no Advantage unto those who by the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ are led thereunto Besides we find that the same Author writes on this wise But Beloved Heb. 6.9 10. we are perswaded better things of you and things that accompany Salvation though we thus speak for God is not Unrighteous to forget your Work and Labour of Love which ye have shewed towards his Name in that ye have Ministred to the Saints and do Minister This doth not only shew that Good Works accompany Salvation but that there is a Recompence for the same implyed in these words For God is not Unrighteous to forget your Work and Labor Who then dare say That 't is no advantage unto Salvation to those who are found Exercising themselves by the Spirit of God in things accompanying Salvation Especially since we sind the Apostle Paul not only to Exhort us To work out our Salvation with Fear and Trembling but expresly signifying That Godly Sorrow worketh Repentance to * 2 Cor. 7.10 Salvation not to be Repented of Moreover 't is observable that though the Author to the Hebrews tells us That without Faith 't is impossible to please God Heb. 11.6 For saith he he that cometh to God must believe that he is yet he doth not rest here as if that Faith were sufficient but proceeding in the very same Verse saith That he is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him By which it appears that there is something as an Act of Faith to be brought forth through Man besides resting in a bare Faith that God is and that for such Act there is a Reward which if duly weighed together with these Scripture-citations Mat. 5.12 6.1.10.41 42.16.27 Luke 23.4 1 Cor. 3.14.9.17 Col. 2.18 Heb. 10.35 John 2.8 Nothing can then be more plain than that those through whom Works which are the Fruit of the Spirit of God or Acts springing through the Obedience of Faith are brought forth shall receive a Reward for such Works And as to these words in the Objection Not by Infusion of Righteousness but by Imputing the Obedience of Christ Rom. 5.19 which we take to be grounded on the Apostles words viz. As by one man's Disobedience many were made Sinners so by the Obedience of One shall many be made Righteous 2 Cor. 19.21 And God was in Christ reconciling the World unto himself not Imputing their Trespasses unto them for he hath made him to be Sin for us who knew no Sin that we might be made the Righteousness of God in Him We thus Answer That these words of the Apostle viz. By the Obedience of one shall many be made Righteous do not shew that any one of the Sons and Daughters of Men shall be made Partakers of the Righteousness of God whilst Sin is reigning in their Mortal Bodies the words will bear no such Consequence And forasmuch as such who are ready to Object as aforesaid have highly commended the Practice of comparing Scripture with Scripture that so the Truth may the more clearly shine forth in its Beauty we shall manifest thereby that no such Meaning was the Meaning of the Spirit For in the 21th Verse of the same Chapter 't is thus said That as Sin hath reigned unto Death even so might Grace reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life by Jesus Christ our Lord. This Reign of Sin was in the Mortal Bodies of those that through a breach of the Righteous Law of God became subject to Condemnation But when Grace came to Reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life then the Vertue of the Blood of Christ was witnessed and The Mystery of Faith revealed 1 Tim. 3.9 that was held in a pure Conscience which doubtless was not then a Defiled Conscience And therefore we may properly term the Blood of Christ in which by Faith Salvation is known the Mystery through which man arrives unto Godliness notwithstanding the Mystery of Iniquity hath wrought in some to pretend Salvation thereby whilst being in a State of Degeneration their Consciences are poluted and Sin reigning in their Mortal Bodies Then we may also say that the man of Sin was Dethroned Then the Old Man with his Deeds was put off and the New Man which as the Apostle saith Eph. 4.24 After God is created in Righteousness and True Holiness was put on Again 't is observable that the words Not Imputing their Trespasses unto them do only argue that their Trespasses were forgiven as necessary to a state of Reconciliation with their Maker but doth not at all hold forth that they could be in such a state whilst either their former Sins were not Forgiven or whilst they were actually committing Sins and Trespasses anew after that they had been through the Mercies of God made Partakers of such Forgiveness And as to these words of the Apostle That we might be made the Righteousness of God in him we also say it will not from thence follow that Man can become a Partaker of the Righteousness of God whilst Sin is in Dominion in him For the State spoken of is a State in Christ. Now the Testimony of the Apostle in the very same Chapter Verse the 17th is on this wise If any man be in Christ he is a new Creature old things are past away all things are become new And though this New State was a State wherein Man was Freely Justified by Grace and brought into the glorious Liberty of the Sons of God and was Redeemed from under the Law which consisted in Carnal Ordinances that made not the Comers thereunto Perfect Heb. 7.19 as pertaining unto the Conscience though the bringing in of a better Hope did yet notwithstanding we do not find any ground to believe that the Liberty and Freedom man was thereby brought into was such a State wherein he was not to be subject to a Law Rom.
9th and 5th As long as I am in the World I am the Light of the World And Chap. 12.35 Yet a little while is the Light with you walk while you have the Light And ver the 36. While ye have the Light believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light To this may be answered That these last recited Scriptures do in the most favourable construction on the objectors part intimate that Christ the Son of God while he was in the World was the Light of the World but doth not say that he is or would be no longer the light of the world Such a saying or sense would limit the Appearance of Light to that Body only and dispensation of time wherein the said Body appeared on Earth which is contradictory to the very words of the Evangelist before quoted viz. That was the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World Which Scripture sentence relating to every man is so universal that it cannot but extend to those who never beheld the face of Jesus in his fleshly and Bodily Appearance nor yet came to be informed by any outward Instrument of his Doctrine though Partakers of his Light which therefore may properly be termed by such his Light within that is the Appearance of Christ by his Light shining in their hearts agreeable whereunto in effect we take the Testimonies of the Apostle to be viz. That which may be known of God Rom. 1.19 is manifest in them For God hath shewed it unto them Seeing you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me 2 Cor. 13.3 which Riches is Christ in you Col. 1.27 the hope of Glory Who shall descend into the deep that is Rom. 10.7 8. to bring Christ again from the dead but what saith it the Word is near thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart this is the word of faith which we preach And all this appears agreeable unto what the Prophet Isaiah hinted at who speaking of what should be in the last daies signified Isa 1.2 3 5. That the God of Jacob will teach us of his Ways and therefore said Oh house of Jacob come ye let us walk in the Light of the Lord which being compared with what the same Prophet said in relation to a people Isa 5â— â— In whose hearts was the law of the Lord and with what the Prophet Jeremiah saith I will put my law in their Inward Parts Jer. 31.33 34. and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest 'T is evident to us that this written Law in the Heart is that Light Within whereof the faithful Messengers of the Lord in our day have born witness unto and whereof the same Prophet gave testimony when he said as before O house of Jacob come ye let us walk in the Light of the Lord. Besides such a limitation as aforesaid would have a tendency to make void the virtue and efficacy of the blood of Christ who was offered up a sacrifice to take away the sins of many and on this score doth the author to the Hebrews testify Heb. 9.28 that unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without Sin unto Salvation which is a clear Evidence unto us that the benefit of the blood of Christ is not witnessed effectually in this our day but by those who having looked for his second appearance have received him in his Appearance this Appearance we take to be his Appearance by his light and spirit in the hearts of those who through faith in his blood have known their Consciences purified from Dead Works and so come to serve the living God in Truth and righteousness 'T is now to be considered Whether these words Turn in your Minds be agreeable to truth for that this kind of objection may be raised Objection Doth not this put the Creature upon Action in his own Self-will when as the Will of Man cannot bring forth that Birth unto which power is given to become the Sons of God For answer hereto 't is necessary to consider that the faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ commended their Exhortations and testimonies to the Consciences of the Hearers in the Sight of God and the reason doubtless was because there is a Capacity in Man which through the assistance of the Grace of God renders Man capable to do the will of God in righteousness unto life and those who are so acted cannot be said to be acted in the Self-will of Man And on the contrary the same Capacity letting in Tempration and joyning thereto renders Man a servant of Sin unto Death and being once so dead in Sin no redemption comes to be obtained but through Christ as the Apostle testifies Ephes 2.1 You hath he quickned that were dead in Trespasses and Sins These things considered 't is evident that through the Appearance of Christ those who have cast off the Old Man are become renewed in the Spirit of their Minds unto God and so have put on the New Man which after God is created in Righteousness and true holiness and therefore since there is such a capacity in man as aforesaid 't is agreeable to Truth to exhort the sons of men to turn in their Minds unto the appearance of Christ by his Light that through the Assistance thereof the will of God may be done in their earthen vessels The next thing to be considered is whether there is any weight in this objection Do you not think that the Jews who crucified Christ acted not from the light within since some of them at least thought they did God good service therein To this may be answered That the friends of Truth never preached up the Light Within but with respect to the Appearance of Christ by his Spirit as that Light Within intended by them and since Christ cannot be divided to act against himself therefore the Jews did not therein act from that Light Within unto which we have been directed From what then may the objector say did those of them act who verily thought they did God good service therein Ans Phil. 3.6 From Zeal without knowledge not having their Minds staid and ordered according to that universal Principle of Truth Acts 26.9 11. which if hearkned unto would teach all men to do as they would be done by in which zeal Paul verily thought in himself that he ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus and in that Self-thought being exceeding mad persecuted the Church of God consented to the death of the Saints and compelled them to Blaspheme but when the Lord was pleased to appear unto him and to make him a Minister of his everlasting Gospel he was sent unto the Gentiles to open their eyes that they might turn from
his Mother The 1100 Shekels of Silver that were taken from thee about which thou cursedst and spakest also in mine Ears behold the silver is with me I took it and his mother said Blessed be thou of the Lord my Son and when he had restored the 1100 Shekels of Silver to his Mother his Mother said I had wholly dedicated the Silver unto the Lord from my Hand for my Son to make a Graven-Image and a Molten-Image now therefore I will restore it thee yet he restored the money to his Mother and his Mother took 200 Shekels of Silver and gave them to the Founder who made thereof a Graven-Image and a Molten Image and they were in the house of Micah and the man Micah had an house of God's The Quotation is enough to shew that she was an Idolatrous Woman and though it may be said it is but a question askt yet in answer it may be said that if G. F's real judgment be so that she was not a virtuous woman he hath manifested thereby a scoffing Spirit but to manifest that such an Answer appears but a meer shift the reader may observe that about thirteen lines following he thus saith So these and such women are recorded to Posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The second Quotation Page 43. And the woman of Tekoah see what a Sermon she preacht to King David 2 Sam. 13.14 The Scripture quoted informs us that the woman was a subtile woman whom Joab caused to feign her self as a Mourner and go to King David with a lying story in her mouth which accordingly she did For when King David asked her is not the hand of Joab with thee in all this she answered Joab put all these words in her mouth so that if it were really so that she had been the Occasion of pacifying King David's wrath yet it might more truly be said that she deceived King David by her Lyes than convinced him besides though the story was framed by Joab for the sake of Absalom who slew his Brother Amnon and therefore fled yet it appears that King David was appeased as to his Son Absalom as in 2 Sam. 13.39 before the woman came to him with Lyes in her mouth We now commend it to the Consciences of all to consider how this Lying story can be called a Good and Convincing Sermon and be an evidence of a Virtuous Woman for in a very few lines after it 's said as before These and such women are recorded to posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The Third Quotation Page 23. And the Women had their assemblies in the daies of the Iudges and the Kings Now old Ely was not against the Assemblies of the Women who assembled by Troops as you may see in the 1st Sam. 2.21 22. though some men now adayes may be against Womens Meetings or Assemblies in the Gospel Times and against womens speaking and prophecying c. The Scripture quoted tells us thus So Ely was old and heard all that his Sons did unto Israel and how they lay with the Women who assembled at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which only proves that there was an Assembly of Men and women at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation who committed evil together At the first view this seemed so abominable a Quotation to prove the Assemblies of purified women under the Gospel distinct form purified men to be necessary which is the end wherefore 't was as we take it quoted that we were concerned to inform our selves from the Scriptures to what end women assembled before the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation and we find by a Marginal Note in the Scriptures that it was as the Hebrews write after their Travel when they came to be purified as in Leviticus the 12th and 6th where it 's thus said Now when the dayes of her purifying are fulfilled she shall bring to the Priest a Lamb of one year old for a Burnt-Offering and a young Pigeon or Turtle Dove for a Sin-Offering unto the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which gives us occasion thus to query How can Women coming in order to their Purification with a Sin-Offering c. to the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation when defiled by the Men that there accompanyed them be a Proof for purified Women under the Gospel to assemble together distinct from purified men The Fourth Quotation Page 32. And likewise you may see Rachel and Leah their Counsel to Jacob who answered Jacob and said unto him is there yet any Portion or Inheritance for us in our Father's house are we not counted of him as strangers for he hath sold us and he hath quite devoured also our money for all the riches that God hath taken from our Father that is ours and our Childrens and now therefore whatsoever God hath said unto thee do this was Rachels and Leahs counsel unto Iacob and were not these three a Church then and did he forbid them from speaking in the Church See Genses 31.14 15 16. This we take to be a Quotation to evidence Womens speaking in the Church to be according to truth but yet we cannot own it to be much if any thing at all better Argument for VVomens speaking in the Church of God when the Church is met to worship the Lord in his Spirit than Womens Discourses with their Husbands about their outward estates doth almost every day produce amongst us and were it so that no better Argument could be produced for the justification of Womens speaking in the Church of God in the sense we have understood speaking in the Church we might be ashamed of our Principle and their Practice The Fifth Quotation Page 42. And the Daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the Daughter of Jeptha Iudges 11th So here they had a Yearly Meeting on this Occasion Our observation now is Jeptha made a vow unto the Lord and thus said If thou shalt deliver the Children of Ammon into my Hand then that thing that cometh out of the Doors of my house to meet me when I come home in peace from the Children of Ammon shall be the Lords and I will offer it for a Burnt-Offering And so it happened that his only Child being a Daughter came out to meet him with Timbrels and Dances and when he saw her he rent his Cloaths and said alas my Daughter but yet at the end of two months did unto her according to his Vow having given her two months time to go to the Mountains with other Virgins to bewail her Virginity which afterwards became a custom in Israel to go Yearly to the Mountains to bewail the Daughter of Jeptha This occasions us to query whether such a meeting occasioned on the Untimely Death of a Virgin for Jeptha's Vow was a Rash Vow can be any Evidence of the Matter which is taken by us to be intended viz. either for Womens speaking in the Church or Womens
us an Answer by the bearer hereof who comes on purpose to bring this and to receive an Answer from thee We are Thy Friends Thomas Gouldney William Ford. William Rogers As before is hinted no Answer is yet come which is ground of Jealousie that G. F. is Author of the said abusive Letter To conclude My Desire now is That every thing herein Treated of may be weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary and then I doubt not but that it will appear unto every Understanding Impartial Reader that George For hath been acted by an Erroneous Spirit and been Guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth for which he ought to Humble himself if peradventure he may be made Partaker of the Mercies of the Lord and then no question but God's peculiar People will have a Sense thereof But until he appear Humbled through That Repentance that 's never to be Repented of his State and Condition is to be lamented of And though 't is not in the Power of any Mortal Man or any Assembly of Men on Earth whatsoever to Excommunicate from amongst the true Members of Christ's Body a Servant of the Living God unto whom through the Obedience of Faith in Christ is given an Earnest of the Great Salvation Yet if any one so outwardly pretending hath acted Erroneously and hath concerned himself Against his Brother at so large a rate as cannot be vindicated unless that Rule which Almighty God as by a Finger from Heaven through his Son Christ Jesus hath laid down viz. By their Fruits ye shall know them be to be esteemed as voyd 't is most just and reasonable to declare That such an one hath cutt him off from being a Member of the Body of Christ by departing from the Rock Christ on which Preservation and Help is laid On this Score I am now concerned in my Conscience thus to declare and conclude That for sometimes past G. F. hath stood in a state of Separation from many of the Lord's People May the God of Heaven give him a true Sight and Sense thereof unto Repentance that so before his Body be turned to Dust from whence it came he may be restored into Fellowship with them again saith my Soul Bristol 1 st Day of the 8 th Moneth 1680. William Rogers THE END AN INDEX Of some of the Chief Matters Treated on A APostacy A Discovery of several things which may be justly termed the Fruits of Apostacy and Innovation and in particular that Iohn Wilkinson and Iohn Story have been Judged and Condemned by Persons that have not heard them speak for themselves as doth appear in an Answer given by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and William Rogers to a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and Sixty-Five more dated at Ellis Hooks his Chamber London the 12 th of the 4 th Month 1677. 2 d. Part p. 72 to 84. Apostolick-Order of the Church of Christ Robert Barclay asserts is Establish't amongst the People called Quakers and by the Scope of his Book of Government his Meaning is with respect to Outward Orders his Sense therein disproved 3 d. Part p. 23 to 33. Authority of the Church in Robert Barclay's Sense 3 d. Part p. 54. The Apostles assumed not Authority to give a Decisive Judgment in a Religious Conscientious Case without being chosen by the Parties differing and then they gave their Judgment according to the Faith both of Jew and Gentile unto whom it did relate 3 d. Part p. 65 66. See Church-Government B BAptisme of Water was the Ministration of Iohn not to continue to the End of the World 2 d. Part p. 45 to 50. The One Baptisme spoken of by Paul was the Baptisme of the Spirit 2 d. Part p. 50. Believers in Robert Barclay's Sense are bound by the positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience 3 d. Part p. 54. His Sense and Reasons examined and refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 61. Believers in opposite Practices and yet the Christian-Bond of their Fellowship not broken 3 d. Part p. 56. See Isaac Penington's Testimony touching that Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. This Sentence viz. We must believe as the Church believes Published by one called a Quaker examined and the Truth cleared from such Constructions as may be erroneously imported from thence 3 d. Part p. 73 74. See 1 st Part p. 23 to 27. C CHarity An Objection grounded thereon in favour of our Opposers Answered shewing Fruits of Weakness Presumption Danger of going beyond ones Gift excluding Reason eyeing Man and Things without instead of our inward Teacher The Reason why the Word of Life becomes to some the Savour of Death 1 st Part p. 17 to 22. Charles Marshall a Subscriber with Thirty-Six more of an Unrighteous Paper on the hearing of a Debate between Robert Barclay and William Rogers 3 d. Part p. 128 129. Observations thereon manifesting their Error and Partiality 3 d. Part p. 137 to 140. Christ by his Spirit a Law-giver like unto Moses 3 d. Part p. 9 10. Church-Government Our Sense of our Opposers Meaning touching Church-Government our Denyal of that Meaning and that no just Pretence be under the Notion of Church-Government to claim a Power over Property and Conscience The Doctrine of Robert Barclay importing Power over Property and Conscience refuted and our Sense touching the Method of deciding Controversies laid down An Objection Answered whereby 't is plain that Acceptable Obedience carryes with it Conviction of Conscience and that Christ encouraged not his Disciples to be Rulers over each other 1 st Part p. 44 to 61. See the 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Divers Sentences cited out of Robert Barclay's Book of Government importing an Approbation of such a Form of Outward Church-Government by some of the People called Quakers over others so termed wherein they undertake to Teach Traditions Exercise an Authority to Ordain Appoint Command and Rule over others whose Duty in Robert Barclay's Sense 't is to submit and that there lyes an Obligation on such as are gathered to Reverence Honour and Obey such as are set over them 3 d. Part p. 44 45. The said Sentences examined and that which is taken to be his Sense on the Scriptures quoted demonstrated to be a Perversion and that the words Order Rule Command Govern Government Traditions c. will not in the Apostles Sense import an Obligation on any Christian Believer to act any thing relating to Faith or Discipline on a Religious Score whereof by the Grace of God or Light in the Conscience he is not perswaded to be his Duty 3 d. Part p. 46 to 52. Christian-Quaker What he standeth for 1 st Part p. 27 to 30. Command Who are deemed by our Opposers to have Power to Command Ordain and Appoint 1 st Part p. 6 7 8. See Church-Government Confidence The Qualifications of such as abound in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 76.