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A02633 A brefe chronycle concernynge the examinacyon and death of the blessed martyr of Christ syr Iohan Oldecastell the lorde Cobham, collected togyther by Iohan Bale ... Bale, John, 1495-1563. 1544 (1544) STC 1276; ESTC S100610 48,945 113

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to my charge malycyouslye but also verye vntrulye by his lettre and seale written agaynst me in most slaunderouse wyse that I shuld otherwyse fele and teache of the sacramētes of the churche assygnynge specyallye the sacrament of the aultre the sacrament of penaunce the worshyppynge of ymages and the goynge of pylgrymage vnto them farre other wyse than eyther beleueth or teacheth the vnyuersall holye churche I take almyghtye God vnto wytnesse that yt hath bene and now is and euermore with the helpe of God yt shall be my full intent and will to beleue faythfullye and whollye all the sacramentes that euer God ordeyned to be mynystred in the holye churche And more ouer for to declare me in these .iiii. poyntes afore rehersed I beleue that in the most worshypfull sacrament of the aultre is Christes verye bodye in fourme of breade the same bodye that was borne of the blssed virgyne Marye done on the crosse dead and buryed and that the thyrde daye arose from death to lyfe the which bodye is now gloryfyed with the father in heauen And as for the sacrament of penaunce I beleue that yt is nedefull to all them that shall be saued to forsake theyr synne and to do penaunce for yt with true contrycyon to God confessyon of theyr fawtes and dewe satisfaccyon in Christ lyke as Gods lawes lymyteth and teacheth els can they haue no saluacyon This penaunce I desyre all menne to do And as for ymages I vnderstande that they perteyne nothynge to oure Christen beleue but were permytted longe sens the fayth was geuē vs of Christ by sufferaūce of the churche for to be as kalenders vnto laye menne to represent or brynge to mynde the passyon of oure Lorde Iesus Christ with the martyrdome and good lyuynge of the saynctes I thynke also that what so ouer he be which doth that worshyp to dead ymages that is dewlye belongynge vnto God or that putteth his fayth hope or confydence in the helpe of them as he shuld do onlye in his eternall lyuynge God or that hath affeccyon in one more than in an other he perpetrateth in so doyng ●● abhomynable synne of ydolatrye Moreouer in this am I fullye persuaded that euerye manne dwellynge on this earth is a pylgryme eyther towardes blesse or els towardes payne And that he which knoweth not nor will no● knowe nor yet kepe the holye cōmaundementes of God in his lyuynge here all be yt that he goth on pylgrymage into all quarters of the worlde yf he departeth so he shall surelye be dampned Agayne he that knoweth the holye commaundementes of God and so perfourmeth them to the ende of his lyfe to his power shall without fayle be saued in Christ though he neuer in his lyfe go on pylgrymage as menne vse now a dayes to Caūterburye Vvalsyngham Compostell and Rome or to anye other place els This answere to his artycles thus ended and redde he delyuered yt to the Bysshoppes as is sayd afore Than coūfessed the Archebysshop with the other two Bysshoppes and with dyuerse of y e doctours what was to be done in thisma●ter commaundynge him for the tyme to stande a syde In conclusyon by theyr assent and infourmacyon he sayd thus vnto him Come hydre syr Iohan. In this your writynge are manye good thynges contayned and ryght catholyck also we denye yt not But ye must consydre that this daye was appoynted you to answere to other poyntes concernynge those artycles wherof as yet no mencyon is made in this your byll And therfore ye must yet declare vs youre mynde more playnelye As thus whether that ye holde afferme and beleue that in the sacramēt of the aultre after the consecracyon ryghtlye done by a prest remayneth materyall breade or not Moreouer whether ye do holde afferme and beleue that as concernynge the sacrament of penaunce where as a competent nombre of Prestes are euerye Christen manne is necessarylye boūde to be confessed of his synnes to a prest ordayned by the churche or not After certen other communycacyon this was the answere of the good lorde Cobham That non otherwyse wolde he declare his mynde nor yet answere vnto his artycles than was expreslye in his wrytynge there cōtayned Than sayd the Archebyshop agayne vnto him Syr Iohan beware what ye do For yf ye answere not clerelye to those thynges that are here obiected agaynst you specyallye at the tyme appoynted you onlye for that purpose the lawe of holye churche is that compelled ones by a iudge we maye openlye proclame ye an heretyque Vnto whom he gaue this answere Do as ye shall thynke yt best for I am at a poynt Vvhat so euer he and the other Bysshoppes ded aske him after that he bad them resort to his byll for therby wolde he stande to the verye death Other answere wolde he not geue that daye wherwith the Byshoppes and Prelates were in a maner amased and wonderfullye dysquyeted At the last the Archebysshop counselled agayne with his other Bysshoppes and doctours And in the ende therof declared vnto him what the holye churche of Rome folowynge the sayinges of saynt Austyn saynt Hierom saynt Ambrose and of other holye doctours had determyned in those matters no maner of mencyon ones made of Christ. Vvhich determynacyon sayth he ought all Christen menne both to beleue and to folowe Than sayd the lorde Cobham vnto him that he wolde gladlye both beleue and obserue what so euer the holy churche of Christes institucyon had determyned or yet what so euer God had willed him eyther to beleue or to do But that the Pope of Rome with his Cardynals Archebysshoppes Bysshoppes and other Prelates of that churche had lawfull power to determyne soche matters as stode not with his worde throughlye that wolde he not he sayd at that tyme afferme Vvith this the Archebyshop bad him to take good abuysement tyll the Monedaye next folowynge which was the .xxv. daye of Septembre and than iustlye to answere specyallye vnto this poynt whether there remayned materyall breade in y e sacrament of the aultre after the wordes of consecracyon or not He promysed him also to sende vnto him in wrytynge those matters clerelye determyned that he myght than be the more perfyght in his answere makynge And all this was not els but to blynde the multytude with somwhat The next daye folowynge accordynge to his promes the Archebysshop sent vnto him in to the tower this folyshe and blasphemouse wrytynge made by him and by his vnlerned clergye ☞ The determynacyon of the Archebysshop and clergye THe fayth and determynacyon of holye Churche towchynge the blesfull sacrament of the aultre is this That after the sacramentall wordes be ones spoken by a Prest in his Masse the materyall breade that was before breade is turned into Christes verye bodye And the materyall wyne that was afore wyne is turned into Christes verye bloude And so there
concernynge the .iiii. artycles wherof he was accused specyallye for the sacrament of the aultre how he beleued therin Vvherunto the lorde Cobham sayd that with that byll he had nothynge to do But this was his beleue he sayd concernynge the sacrament That his lorde and sauer Iesus Christ syttynge at his last supper with his most dere disciples the nyght before he shulde suffre toke breade in his hande And ge●ynge thankes to his eternall father blessed yt brake yt and so gaue yt vnto them sayinge Take yt vnto ye and eate therof all This is my bodye which shall be betrayed for you Do this here after in my remembraunce This do I throughlye beleue sayth he for this faythe am I taught of the Gospell in Matthew in Marke and in Luke and also in the fyrst Epistle of saynct Paule to the Corintheanes Than asked the Archebysshop yf he beleued that yt were breade after the consecracyon or sacramentall wordes spoken ●uer yt The lorde Cobham sayd I beleue that in the sacrament of the aultre is Christes verye bodye in fourme of breade the same that was borne of the virgyne Marye done on the crosse dead and buryed and that the thyrde daye arose from death to lyfe which now is gloryfyed in heauen Than sayd one of the doctours of lawe After the sacramentall wordes be vttered there remayneth no breade but the onlye bodye of Christ. The lorde Cobham sayd than to one mastre Iohan Vvhyght head you sayd ones vnto me in the castell of Cowlynge that the sacred oost was not Christes bodye But I helde than agaynst you and proued that therin was his bodye though the seculars and fryers coude not therin agre but helde yche one agaynst other in that opynyon These were my wordes thā yf ye remembre it Than showted a sort of them togyther and cryed with great noyse Vve saye all that yt is Gods bodye And dyuerse of them asked him in great angre whether it were materyall breade after the consecracyon or not Than loked the lorde Cobham ernestlye vpon the Archebysshop sayd I beleue surelye that yt is Christes bodye in fourme of breade Syr beleue not you thus And the Archebysshop sayd yes marry do I. Than asked him the doctours whether yt were onlye Christes bodye after the consecracyon of a Prest and no bread or not And he sayd vnto them It is both Christes bodye and breade I shall proue yt as thus For lyke as Christ dwellynge here vpon the earth had in him both Godhede and manhede And had the inuisyble ●odhede couered vndre that manhede which was onlye visyble and seane in him So in the sacrament of the aultre is Christes verye bodye and verye breade also as I beleue The breade is the thynge that we se with oure eyes The bodye of Christ which is his fleshe and his bloude is there vndre hydde and not seane but in fayth Than smyled they yche one vpon other that the people shuld iudge him taken in a great heresye And with a great bragge dyuerse of them sayd It is a fowle heresye Thā asked the archebysshopp what breade yt was And the doctours also inquyred of hym whether it were materyall or not The lorde Cobham sayd vnto them The scripturs maketh no mencyon of thys worde materyall and therfor my faythe hath nothynge to do therwith But thys I saye and beleue yt that yt ys Christes bodye breade For Christ sayd in the sixt of Iohās gospell Ego sum panis viu●s qui de celo descendi I whych came downe from heauen am the lyuynge and not the dead breade Therfor I saye now ageyne lyke as I sayd afore As our lorde Iesus Christ is verye god and verye manne so in the most blessed sacrament of the aultre is Christes verye bodye and breade Than sayd they all with one voyce It is an heresye One of the bysshoppes stode vp by by and sayd Vvhat yt is an heresye manyfest to saye that yt is breade after the sacramētall wordes be ones spokē but Christes bodye onlye The lorde Cobham sayd Saynt paule y e apostle was I am sure as wyse as yow be now and more godlye lerned And he call●● yt breade writynge to the Corintheanes The breade that we breake sayth he is yt not the partakynge of the body of Christ Lo he casteth yt breade and not Christes bodye but a menne wherby we receyue Christes bodye Than sayd they ageyne Paule must be otherwyse vnderstanded For yt is surelye an heresye to saye that yt is breade after the consecration but onlye Christes bodye The lorde Cobham asked how they coude make Good that sentēce of thers They answered hym thus For yt is ageynst the determynacyon of holye churche Than sayd the Archebysshopp vnto hym Sir Iohan we sent yow a writynge concernynge the faythe of thys blessed sacrament clerelye determyned by the churche of Rome our mother and by the holye doctours Than sayd he ageyne vnto hym I knowe non holyar than is Christ and hys Apostle And as for that determynacyō I wote● yt is non of thers for yt stādeth not with the scripturs but manyfestlye ageynst thē If yt be the churches as ye saye it is it hath bene hers onlye sens she receyued the great poyson of worldlye possessyons not afore Than asked they him to stoppe his mouthe therewith If he beleued not in the determynacyon of the churche And he sayd vnto them No forsoth for yt is no God In all oure crede is in but thryse mencyoned concernynge beleue In God the father in God the sonne in God the holy ghost The byrthe the death the buryall the resurreccyon and ascensyon of Christ hath non in for beleue but in him Neyther yet hath the churche the sacramentes the forgeuenesse of synne the latter resurreccyon nor yet the lyfe euerlastynge anye other in than in the holye ghost Than sayd one of the lawers Tushe that was but a worde of offyce But what is youre beleue concernynge holye churche The lorde Cobham answered My beleue is as I sayd afore that all the scripturs of the sacred Byble are true All that is grounded vpon them I beleue throughlye For I knowe yt is Gods pleasure that I shuld so do But in your lordelye lawes and ydell determynacyons haue I no beleue For ye be no part of Christes holye churche as youre open dedes doth shewe But ye are verye Antichristes obstynatlye set agaynst his holye lawe and will The lawes that you haue made are nothynge to his glorye but onlye for youre vayne glorye and abhomynable couetuousnesse This they sayd was an exceadynge heresye and that in a gr●a● f●●me not to beleue the determynacyon of holye churche Than the Archebysshop asked him what he thought holye churche He sayd vnto him My beleue is that holye Churche is the nombre of them which shall be saued of