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A49979 News of a trumpet sounding in the wilderness, or, The Quakers antient testimony revived, examined and compared with itself, and also with their new doctrine whereby the ignorant may learn wisdom, and the wise advance in their understandings / collected with diligence, and carefully cited from their antient and later writings, and recommended to the serious reading and consideration of all enquiring Christians, by Daniel Leeds. Leeds, Daniel, 1652-1720. 1697 (1697) Wing L914; ESTC R11241 77,230 166

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Spirit of God saith Whether this would be blasphemy since he asserts in the Title page That it was given forth from the Spirit of the Lord Pray Reader take good Notice of this for he can no ways answer it without baffling himself Numb IX G. F's Great Mystr p. 264 264 283. Priest sayes A man by his own power cannot get into Regeneration for they are d●ad in s●at and Trespasses G. F. Replys Some are sanctified from the Womb and some Children are holy so all are not dead in sins and trespasses and some Children were born of Believers And p. 355. Believers are the holy so the Believers Children A new Creation a holy Generation Divin of Christ Ans to T. D. p. 20. G. W. says Condemnation came upon all men Death past upon all men for that all have sinned p 24. Again Christ dyed for all so all were dead in Sins and Trespasses c. Note is not here a little failure in syntax too else how is it that G W. contradicts G F. a Pro●●es indeed But pray take a view and see if the Children of believers in the Light are not Children of Wrath too as well as others or let us know by what Marks we shall distinguish their Children to be a holy Generation Numb X. Jos Coal Ans to ●o New-man p. 332. If by the Body of Flesh which Christ had he means his Church then I am one with him for his having that Body after his Ascention I never denyed nor intend to do and such a Body we own Christ had after his ascention Again W. P. Rejoynder p. 312 The true Church is become Christs Body Again in Refuge fixt p 90 41. Christ hath a Body or is in a Body suitable to his Spirit consisting of heavenly flesh and Bone Again he saith Wheresoever the Spirit of Christ is that is in the Body of Christ. I. Pennington Quest p. 20. For that which Christ took upon him was our Garment even the flesh and blood of our Nature which is of an earthly perishing Nature but he is of an Eternal Nature Mark Tho' nothing be of an Eternal Nature but God yet here one holds Christs Body of Flesh and Bones to be such whilst the other holds the Church to be his Body But pray had the Church no beginning Can that be Eternal But this and the rest in these Passages let who can explain and reconcile them for it passes my skill to do it Numb XI Saul's Errand by G.F. p. 14. Christ is one substance of all Figures and HIS FLESH is a Figure But I. Pennington as above holds his Flesh to be of an Eternal Nature Note the Contradiction and false Doctrine of both these or if G. W. please a FAILURE in Syntax Numb XII Chr. Quaker p. 97. by W. P. Now nothing can bruise the head of the Serpent but something that is also internal as the Serpent is but if the Body of Christ were the Seed then could be not bruise the Serpents head in all because the Body of Christ is not so much as in any one and consequently the Seed of the Promise is an holy and spiritual Principle of Light Life Power that being receiv'd into the heart bruiseth the Serpents head because the seed which cannot he that Body is Christ Foundat of Tythes p. 238 240. by T. Ellwood Nor do the Quakers ascribe Salvation to the following the Light within but to Christ Jesus to whom the Light leads If any one expects Remission of sins by any other way than by the death of Christ renders the death of Christ useless Note the confused Clash of these 2 Champions W. Penn is for all the work to be done by the Light within T.E. denyes it to be done by the Light within no not so much as Remission of sins Numb XIII G. F's Catechism p 69. The Light within which they hate is their condemnation which is the Salvation of all that believe in it T. E. as above Nor do the Quakers ascribe Salvation to the following the Light within c. Come let 's see if T. Ellwood with all his Sophistry and false glosses can reconcile these two assertions Numb XIV Ed. Burroughs p. 285. J. Bun●on said These Qrs. believe that Salvation was not compleatly wrought out for sinners by the Man Christ Jesus E. B. answers Here thou art a Lyar. W. P. Reas age Rast. p. 16. saith The Light which in all ages was the just mans path is ever was ever will be sufficient and saving Thus also J. Coal p. 329. That Christ is not a Saviour as Man but as God Let W. Penn reconcile these if he can and tell us how the Light is the Man Numb XV. Ed. Burroughs p. 283. J. Bunion said The Qrs. perswade Souls That that Man that was born of the Virgln Mary is not above the stars E.B. answers This is another Lye Sword of the Lord dr p. 5. Your imagined God beyond the stars is utterly denyed restified against by the Light Pray compare these Also Note Sa. Jennings dissent from his Brethrens Religion unless he dissembles in scrupling to say Thou art a Lyar p. 34. state of the case Numb XVI Chr. Quaker by G. W. p. 212 The man's mistaken if the suppose that we plead for the Righteousness of a Creature i. e. Christ as Man or man 's own Righteousness which he himself is enabled to perform as the cause of our Justification c. W. P. 's Serious Apology p. 148. Death came by actual sin not imputative therefore Justification an of Life came by actual Righteousness not imputative Note Whether is the Error of both these or the Contradiction greater Numb XVII G. F's Great Mystery p. 248. There is no man self denyed and justified in the sight of God but by Christ alone Note Does not G.W. above oppose G F. here who holds Justification by the Man Christ unless it be proper to say God in the sight of God justifies man Numb XVIII W. P's Rejoynder p. 287 No present work how good soever can justifie any man from the Condemnation which is due for the guilt of sin that is past Sandy Foundat p 16 Gods Remission is grounded on our Repentance as above Justification in by actual Righteousness Note A Self-Contradiction unless Repentance actual Righteousness be no present work Numb XIX W. P's Rejoynder p. 300. That Body did not con●titute Christ he is invisible and ever was to Vngodly World Guide to the blind p. 49. Christs first appearance to the world was in the flesh and the fleshly eye saw HIM Just so the Priests as Fisher says Believe it one of these two ways Sometimes one way then another Sometimes both ways this and t'other See S. Fishers Works p. 748. Numb XX. G. W's Light Life p. 13 As to Christ being in every man that 's not our affirmation nor words but that there is a Light of Christ in every man W Smith 's Catechism p 57 That
prayed unto the Name of the Lord Jesus to be called upon as the primitive Christians did Note Tho' they clash yet we see here they have dropt some Christian Expressions more of late then formerly And what may we think they intend thereby why G. Whitehead in his Counterfeit Convert p. 72. says I may see cause otherwise to word the matter and yet our intentions be the same Now is it not admirable that a man of G. W's Cloath as the proverb is should be grown so bold in crafty and dece●●ible Glosses to deceive his Readers Is this like the antient simplicity of a Quaker to say I may see cause Otherways to word the matter and yet intend the same Pray who knows when such a man i● sincere or how to believe him in what he says that thus hides his meanings sa●s one thing and means another Does not G. W. hereby render himself like those Deceivers with false Money who counterfeit the Kings Coyn upon reprobate Silver to make it pass current But whatever they intend or mean in their newest Creed or Confession of Faith in answer to Dr. Lancasters Querys given at London 1695. by G. W. and six others and also in some other of their Books that at times of late years especially has been extorted or streined from them yet I think fit here following to compare it with their former Doctrine and leave it to be reconciled by those who are cunning enough so to word the matter seeing that in their said Answer to Dr. Lancaster they refer to their former Books for Answers to his Querys Numb XXXIII Answ to Dr. Lancaster by G. W. and six other VVe sincerely believe in Jesus Christ both as he is true God and perfect Man our Immanuel and Mediator and as in the fullness of Time he was conceived by the holy Ghost born of the Virgin Mary and was crucified and put to Death was buried rose again and visibly ascended into Heaven And that this same Jesus Christ that was crucified shall so in ●ike manner come as he as seen to go into Heaven at the last and great Day of Judgment G. W's Truth defend p. 65. Chr. VVade affirmed That our blessed Saviour doth instruct men to lay fast hold of and to abide in such a faith which confideth in himself being without Men. G. W. answers That 's contrary to the Apostles Doctrine c. Note But now G. W. is one with ● W's Doctrine which he then said was contrary to the Apostles for now he professes faith in Christ as born of the Virgin crucified and visibly ascended unless he says This was not without men and so deceives his Readers by thus Otherwise wording the matter Numb XXXIV G. W's answ to W Harworth p. 23. Christ did rise in that Body wherein he suffered and in the same ascended into the Heavens and it is so far circumscribed in the Heavens as 't is capable of and as it proper to it and tho' it be spiritual and glorious yet a Body and therefore not in every place where God is Again in his Book call'd Judgment fixt he says Thou that canst not see consistency of Salvation by the Man Christ and by his Light within art gone from his Light into Imaginations G. W's Truth defend p. 23 T. Smith asks VVhen you tell us you have faith in Christ do you mean Christ whose Person is now ascended into Heaven or do you mean only a Christ within you G. W. answers Here thou would make two Christs But how provest thou two such Christs Note here That G. W. now in his answer to VV. Harworth opposing himself makes two such Christs as T Smith doth viz. not only Christ within but a Christ whose Person or body is ascended into Heaven Numb XXXV G. W's answ to VV. Harworth That very Body of Christ which was raised from the dead how should it but be in being seeing he dyed not again Pag. 7. The same Body that was put to death was raised VVe confess the same Man Christ not only still in being but also glorified This Man Christ did neither vanish nor perish either as to his Spirit Soul or Body G. W's Nature of Christianity p. 29. Christ has not the Body of Man And p. 41. he denys Christs bodily existence without us Note If G. W. can so word the matter as truly to reconcise himself with himself in these two Books we shall then have some ground to believe he has not sinned since the year 1659. when he told us That his sins were pardoned see Truth defend p. 8. Numb XXXVI VV. Smith's Primmer p. 8. They that are false Ministers preach Christ without and bid People believe in him as he is in Heaven above Note here Does not G. W. as above in N● 34 35 preach a belief in Christ as he ascended into Heaven above Therefore a false Minister by VV Smith's Doctrine Numb 37 Christian Doctrine by G. W. c. p. 5. That Christs Body that was crucified was not the Godhead yet by the Power of God was raised from the dead and that the same Christ that was Therein crucified ascended into Heaven And in answ to Dr Lancaster he declares That both Soul Body was sacrificed G. W's answ to VV. Herworth His dying was only as to the Body he was put to death as concerning the flesh Note A self contradiction in one Book he says None but the Body dyed yet in the other he says A Christ was crucified in that Body in the third yea both Soul and Body was sacrificed Numb 38. W. P's Apology p. 146. But that the outward Person that suffered was properly the Son of God we utterly deny A Body hast thou prepared m● said the Son so the Son was not the Body tho' the Body was the Sons But the same Christ that was therein crucified ascended into Heaven as above And says W. P. We deny that Person that dyed at Jerusalem to be our Redeemer Ans to Dr. Lancaster by G. W. and others where they own him to be Christ that visibly ascended was outwardly put to Death and that he was true God and perfect Man and our Redeemer that was thus visible Note Though G. W. sees cause now to word the matter thus yet he gives us Notice as above that his faith is still the same as formerly Numb 39. Divin of Christ p 83. by G. W. While we were sinners Christ dyed for us it was Christ that dyed Refuge fixed p. 38. by Joh. Whitehead Nothing that was mortal was called Christ. Observe the sum of the last three particulars as they have seen cause to word them G. W. holds Nothing but the Body dyed that it was Christ that dyed so that the Body that dyed was Christ But W. P. ●olds That the Body was not Christ nor that the Person that dyed was Christ Again G. W. holds that a Christ dyed in that Body But J. W. holds that nothing that dyed was Christ he was