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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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had commanded when the everlasting Offering was come and against the outward Temple but thou art blinde and canst not see it Pharise like but thy minde is seen to be contradictory who wouldst contradict the truth and doth not see the end of God in fulfilling his Types and Figures and when they are fulfilled he doth contradict them and therefore do we contradict thee which actest these things God never commanded that which God had commanded was contradicted as Circumcision and the outward Temple and the Sabboth and all the Priests were denyed with them who had received Iesus Christ and here thou hast shewed thy self to be a blinde Pharise which knowest not the precepts nor commands of God but followest thy own imaginacions and thy own invencions which I have charged thee withall formerly and here I charge thee to be a blinde Guide Matth. 23. 16. and therefore came the Apostle to contradict all the Jews who held up the Figures after the substance was come but thou art blinde as the Pharises were and worse for when the Apostles had received the substance they contradicted the Pharises which held up the Types and Shadows which God had commanded and killed them that did witness the substance come but thou natural brute Beast who knowest nothing of God nor his truth must be consumed by unquenchable sier thou speakest of an Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God but a company of the world may come and thou joynest with them here thou shewest plainly that thy worship is no tru worship of God for they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth Iohn 4. 23 24. for such are they which he seeks to worship him but not in the Steeple-house the mighty day of the Lord is coming and God that made the world doth not dwell in Temples made with hands therefore come down thou painted Beast which deceivest the people God will overturn thee and thy worship and all such as thou art and them who are of God God is sending them forth to give you the Cup double that ye have given to them thou sayst an Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God are not bound up so close but a company of the world may come in and joyn with them here thou shewest that thy Assembly are all of one spirit and here thou shewest plainly that thy spirit and their spirit is the spirit of the world and not the spirit that was in the Apostles and Saints which sayd What concord hath Christ with Belial and what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness 2 Cor 6. 14. and here thou hast raced thy self out of the tru worship of God and I know thy spirit is not bound up but it is at liberty in the world in the broad way and therefore with them it can joyn and so here thou shewest thy self to be of a contrary spirit to them that preached the Word the Ministers of the Word are not Ministers of the Letter wherein it doth appear that thou art a Minister of the Letter a wrester of it those who are the Ministers of the Word speak forth freely and testifie against such hierlings as thou art who art bound up in thy form and set place and against all thy customary praying and singing for the preaching of the Word is to declare freely to all it is not bound up but such as thou wouldst limit it who doth keep poor simple people in bondage under thee I do believe God hath a people which is in captivity under thy dark imitated Forms and such as thine and who are misled by such as thou art for we were all under such blinde Guides as thou art until God of his infinite love did shew us his way and his light and your ways therefore in the presence of the Lord God do we testifie against all such practises as thine and for the simple ones sakes who are under such blinde Guides as thou art do we let forth our selves that they may see how such as thou bewitchest them and keepest them from worshipping the living God by thy imaginacions Gal. 3. 1. Thou bringest a place 1 Cor. 14. 23 24. to maintain singing of Davids Psalms in a Meeter but in that Scripture there is no such thing in it here again thou openly shewest thy self to be a perverter of the Scriptures and a wrester of it what communion hath the believer with the unbeliever here thou shewest thy self to be one of Babylon full of confusion and confused in thy words contrary to the Scripture and a wrester of it for the world knows not God by all its wisdom Thou sayst that your Congregacion is required to speak good of God O you Generacion of Vipers how can you being evil speak good things Mat. 3. 7. Here thou crossest Christs words thou wouldst have the Generacion of Vipers to speak good things An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit how can you speak good of God that speak nor good of his people the Pharises when they met together did they speak good of God when they sayd Christ was a Devil and gathered together with the chief Priests and sought to put him to death Iohn 11. 53. and in this generacion thou art taking counsel against Christ and against his anoynted incensing the rude multitude against them and is this speaking good of God Query 9. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he ●● on the earth yea or no Priests Answer There are divers and several victories over sin as first a victory over the dominion and reigning power of sin Rom. 6. 14. this is not given by the power of man but by the power of grace there is a victory over the condemning presence of sin sin cannot so hurt any elect Vessel as to throw him into ●ell and eternal wrath and condemna●ion Rom. 8. 1. There is a victory over the being of sin in the flesh and whatsoever curse thou sayest on me for the same I must profess that I am of the minde that victory ●s not fully enjoyed while we are on the earth for then and not before when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption Death is swallowed up in victory 1 Cor. 15. 54. and the Apostle cals the body of sin the body of death Rom. 7. 24. A Reply to the Priests Answer Friend thou bringest so many Scriptures which is to the throwing down of thy own self as Rom. 6 14. and thou desirest to be satisfied to the contrary to thy belief for thou believest that man shall not be made free from sin as long as he is here and here I will shew thee that thou hast a lying spirit for in Rom. 6. they sayd they were made free from sin for while they were servants of sin they were made free from righteousness and here thou shewest a contrary spirit to that which was in the Apostle and thou desirest to be fully satisfied in those Scriptures in Rom. 7. 18.
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Paul spoke his condicion that he was in to the Saints and what he had passed through which yet thou art alive in the flesh and not come to know the Law of God therefore thy carnal minde rules and reigns in thee and so thou art making a distinction in the Apostles words and wresting of them who witnessed that there was no condemnacion to him that was in Christ Iesus and witnessed the condicion under the Law and without the Law and was made free from the Law through the Law which thou knowest not so thou being a dead man canst not hear thou speakest of a Victory and reigning power of sin and yet in the conclusion of thy words thou speakest to the contrary again and that thou art of that minde that Victory is not fully enjoyed while we are on the earth and here thou speakest contrary to the Scriptures and there is a confusion in thy words for first thou sayst there is a Victory and Dominion ●ver the reigning power of sin and then again thou denyest it and here thou shewest Babylon for the Apostle sayd We are more than conq●●rours through him that loved us and there is no condemnacion to them who are in Christ Iesus Another Scripture thou wouldst be satisfied in 1 Cor. 15. 54. the Apostle did speak what he saw in this Chapter which thou hast taken a word or two of and we witness and see the same yet death reigns in thee and corruption reigns in thee and the natural minde which doth despise the glory of God therefore is this Scripture hid from thine eys but it is as it speaks we witness it to be fulfilled and the Apostle was in the condicion that he spoke of for he witnessed the Victory and sayd Thanks be to God who hath given us the Victory through our Lord Iesus Christ 1 Cor. 15. 55 56. and sayd O death where is thy sting O grave where is thy victory Rom. 5. 9. and thou hast raced out thy self from the Apostles and from the Saints condicions and shewest that death yet hath dominion over thee and that sin hath dominion over thee and that the mortal hath dominion over the and that corrupcions have dominion over thee and that that thou art in the grave and that Victory cannot be witnessed and art an enemy to it and hast not so much as a belief in thee of overcoming of sin and here thou hast shewed thy hypocrites hope as thou sayst and so keepest poor people in death in corruption and in the mortal and carnal minde and in the grave and in unbelief as thou art in thy self and shewest that thou art damned openly he that believeth not is condemned already he that believeth is born of God and doth not commit sin but is passed from death to life Query 10. Whether any natural man can preach the Gospel yea or no Priests Answer I do believe they may preach the historical part of the Gospel I believe Iudas did preach and was not behinde in his gift to outward vie● of the eleven Apostles for the Apostles had no ground to have any ill conceits of him for had they they would soon have reflected on him when Christ sayd One of you shall betray me but they questioned themselves and not him Matth. 26. 21 22. And God gives great gifts many times to wicked men Rom 2. 18 19 20. 2 Cor. 11. 13 14 15. Ministers of Satan may be transformed into Ministers of righteousness Gal. ● 8. They cannot preach the mystery of the Gospel nor Christ from their own experience or enjoyment for this they know not 't is folly to them 1 Cor. 2. 14. A Reply to the Priests Answer Here thou art pleading for the natural man for Iudas and the false Apostles and it is true in that generacion thou art among them and therefore thou must needs love thy own and stand up for them for no other generacion thou knowest I am a witness against thee and I know thee and have tryed thy spirit to be one of these false Teachers which wouldst transform thy self into an Angel of light and which dost intrude into these things thou never knewst and so thou puffest up thy fleshly minde there thou art I witness thee there eternally by the Eternal spirit Thou sayst Ministers of Satan may be transformed into Ministers of righteousness 2 Cor. 11. 15. here thou wouldst make Satan and righteousness one and shewest forth thy error not knowing the words as the Apostle speaks and if they cannot preach the mystery of the Gospel how can they be transformed into righteousness for the Ministers of Satan transform themselves as the Ministers of righteousness but he doth not say he transforms into it here thou shewest thy self to be a Lyar and thy self to be one of those who are no Ministers of the Gospel getting the form but denying the power 2 Tim. 3. 5. which ever was to be turned away from whose end is destruction according to their works and so thou shewest all along that thou hast but onely the form of the Apostles words for thou pleadest for them who are without and against those who are within who are in the power and life of the truth thou pleadest against the truth and the life which the Apostles were in and the life of the Apostles for the Apostles did discern the false Apostles and those who did transform themselves so with the same spirit we discern thee to be in the same generation among them and there thou must own thy porcion and own the Scriptures to be tru and thy porcion in it which it speaks of to the false Prophets and false Apostles Another Scripture thou bringest 1 Cor. ● 14. thou bringest a Scripture which sayth The natural man receiveth not the things that be of the Spirit of God they are foolishness to him that is thy own condi●ion own that Scripture for a truth to thy self for the preaching of Christ and the Cross is foolishness to thee as it was to them that held up the Iewish Synagogues which yet thou holdest up another in imitation from the carnal Letter being carnal and blinde and ignorant of the mystery and of Christ and of the Gospel but the mystery and Christ and the Gospel we witness and own but we have not re●●ived it of man neither were we taught it of man but by the revelacion of Iesus Christ Gal. 1. 12. and we do witness forth the substance as the Apostle did and therefore we do deny all such as thou art who art not so much as a Minister of the Letter and hast not yet got the form of it to speak it tru as the form is but thou hast shewed forth thy ignorance and foolishness of the form of the Letter Query 11. Whether the Tree be not known by its fruits yea or no Priests Answer No question but it is Christ himself says so but I pray thee tell me did ever a good Tree bring forth Despe●a●ion
in thy understanding and so thou lookest upon the same which we speak or give forth in writing to be the same carnal minde that thou art in and so thou judgest all the Prophets and Christ and the Apostles to be in the same carnal state as thou art judging Scripture according to thy carnal minde 2 Cor. 3. 6. 3. 4. and so to thee truth is a savour unto death as it was ever but wee are moved of the Lord to write forth or to speak it is not an outward means as thou lookest upon but it is to the conscience of every man from that which is eternal to that which shall eternally witness it but thou art high up in thy hypocrisie and hast mens persons in admiracion because of advantage for the gift therefore it grieves thee to see the immediate and eternal teaching of the Lord alone who is teaching of his people and guiding them up to himself by his Spirit whose Sacrifice God doth accept Gen. 4. 5 who are in the second birth but thou art Cain and because thou seest the works of God and God accepts not thy Sacrifice therefore thou shewest forth thy envy against the righteous Seed in all thy words Query 13. Whether they be not Antichrists and do disobey Christ that have the chiefest place in the Assemblyes stand praying in the Synagogues called of men Master which things Christ did forbid his to act and cryed wo against them that acted such things Priests Answer No question what is against Christ in the flesh is a part of Antichrist and to be destroyed but as yet none of you all that I know have proved that the uppermost seats in the Synagogues were Pulpits there seats were more for honor than for service that Christ forbids and reproves and these places were taken out of love to them and for the Title of Master I would to take off the offence if that would do it that all would agree to call me by my name I take not the Title in love of it nor to have dominion by it and the Wo is against this yet I know there were Masters of the Assemblyes so called by as wise a man as any amongst you for ought I know Eccles 12. 11. A Reply to the Priests Answer In thy Answer to this Query thou canst not justifie the chiefest place in the Assemblyes therefore thou must own the Wo upon thee and Friend thou bringst a Scripture in Eccles 12. 11. to cross Christs words herein thou shewest to be a fighter against ●hrist for to maintain thy Mastership that thou mayst be a Master of an Assembly and here openly thou shewest thy self to be a Pharise and in the Pharises state sayth Christ A greater than Solomon is here Now thou hast shewed forth thy venom and ignorance indeed and openly to act against Christ and openly to be an Antichrist and a Pleader for the state of the Pharises and to contradict Christ Thou sayst no question but that which is against Christ in the flesh is a part of Antichrist thou hast shewed thy self to be an actor against Christ in the flesh and an Antichrist and shewest that thou never knewst him in the flesh nor in the spirit for he that walks in the spirit doth not fulfill the lusts of the flesh but hath crucified them and all things are become new Rom. 8. 13. but as thou sayst and dost believe that a man shall never overcome as long as he is here so shewing forth the old Bottle and what is within thee Matth. 9. 17. here is poured out which neither knows God nor Christ in the flesh nor in the spirit but hast poured forth thy blasphemy against Christ and his Doctrine and all who hold up his Doctrine and live in it and love Christ Query 13. Whether those be not Antichrists and of the Devil and no Ministers of Christ which do not abide in the Doctrine of Christ yea or no and which hold up those things Christ forbad Priests Answer Thou strainest at a Gnat and swallowest a Camel thou takest great care of Mint and Annis and neglectest the weighty things of the Law who preachest up that which Crist for bad prove what thou speakest if thou darest trust God as I desire to do wait with me for the time that God shall discover who abides with him and in his Doctrine and who doth not so far as it is revealed and open A Reply to the Priests Answer In thy Answer to this Query thou sayst we strain at a Gnat and swallow a Camel because we deny that which Christ denyed who were called of men Masters as the Pharises were who strained at a Gnat and swallowed a Camel Matth. 23. 7. and thou mayst say that Christ did so for Christ spoke against them who were called of men Masters and taught his not to be so nor to call any man Master and here thou hast justified that which Christ forbids And thou dost accuse us that we do take care of Mint and Annis because we say Whosoever abides not in the Doctrine of Christ is a Devil and here thou hast shewed thy self that it is thou that takest care for those things that pass away which Christ did forbid thou bidst me prove thee to preach that which Christ did forbid here in thy very words thou preachest up that Christ forbids and cryes Wo against and here I chargethee in the presence of the living God who will render vengeance in flames of fie● Jer. 51. 6. Nah. 1. 2. and here thou hast shewed thy self to be in the Doctrine of the Pharises and of the Devil and accusest us with tything Mint and Annis who art a Lyar for all those things you hold up and we deny and it is thou that dost justifie them Dost thou not hold up these frivolous things the chiefest place in the Assembly and to be called of men Master laying heavy burdens upon the People and stand praying in the Synagogue this thou strivest to hold up which we deny the commands of Christ thou callest them Mint and Annis which is a Ly and here thou wrests the Scripture to thy own destruction I charge thee here and have proved thee to preach that which Christ forbad and shut thee forth to be any Minister of Jesus Christ eternally or knowing any thing of him thou wouldst have me to wait with thee if I dare trust God I waited with thee too long but thou art now revealed and discovered thou man of sin and son of perdicion 2 Thess 2. 3. who art exalted above all that called God and thy Doctrine is discovered and the end of it for it leades to perdicion for out of the bottomless Pit it came and thither it must go and in thy Queryes thou desirest to know which is most like Antichrist and here thou shewest that thou dost not know Antichrist but we know thee to be Antichrist 1 John 4. 3. and acting in those things which Christ never commanded contrary
ascended into Heaven where was he all that time being dead long before discover this by Scripture any of you all if cleared to any of you Answ Here thou Beast art got up and shewest forth thy pride when thou knowest the Heavens thou shalt know where David is wouldst thou have a meaning to that which the Apostle spoke another meaning to his words he sayd it was so plainly and we witness the same David is not yet ascended what sayst thou to that we witness it is as the Apostle spoke Acts 12. 34. wouldst thou pervert his words here thou hast shewed forth thy dark minde Davids Sepulcher we know and see and it is with us as the Apostle sayd Acts 2. 29. if thou hast an ear thou mayst hear but thou art blinde and therefore dost thou rage and cavil and there thou wouldst have another meaning to the Scripture in this Query which shews that thou hast not the same Spirit that gave them forth and plainly hast shewed forth thy blindness and ignorance wouldst thou have the Scripture cleared up to thy dark minde and carnal eye as Job sayd It is hid from thee the Scriptures are as they speak we witness them here I charge thee again thou wouldst have another meaning to Scriptures than they are and thou wouldst have us to clear them to thy covetous eye but thou must have thy eye cleared for Darkness cannot comprehend the Light John 1. 5. as the Scriptures sayth for the natural man knows not the things of God 1 Cor. 2. 14. thou knowest them not nor no Serpent nor Scribes and Pharises who are in thy nature but God is Light in him is no darkness at all who hath made himself manifest unto us we do witness that they are of no private interpretacion 2 Pet. 1. 20. and we deny all thy clearing which thou wouldst have us to give of them for we own them with that Spirit which gave them forth And in the same Query thou speakest of George Fox who as thou sayst is our cunning and subtle Leader the name of George Fox is carnal and thou with thy carnal eye and by thy carnal imaginacions lookst and imaginest our Leader to be carnal such as thine is the carnal Letter but herein thou art under the power of witchcraft and the deceit hath blinded thy eye for our Leader is not carnal but eternal and spiritual Rom. 8. 14. which leading yet thou never knewst nor canst not witness therefore dost thou blaspheme but art lead by thy imaginacions as in this thing thou makest plainly appear and art guided and lead by him who is the subtlest of any Beast of the field the cunning Serpent under whose dominion and government thou art and that which all the tru servants of God in all generacions were guided by do we witness to be our Leader who was before time when as George Fox is in time and so not the Leader of the Saints but him we own as one with us in the eternal unity Query 1. What they were that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgressions he being the publick head of mankinde in the first Creation Answ Thou wouldst know what they were that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgressions but thy knowledg is bruitish and they are hid from thee without thy understanding eternally and here thou hast shewed forth thy self not to have the same Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures for if thou hadst thou mightst see them and if thou knewst Adam as he was in the beginning as he was in the head as thou sayst thou mightst see them but thou dost not see thy self in the fall and the death passed over thee which hath passed over all men Rom. 5. 12. and art in the trangression of Adam in the fall eating of the Tree of knowledg which God forbad but those we do know which thou with that eye shalt never see who art a busi-body Query 2. Wherein was Adam a Figure of him that was to come Answ Wouldst thou have the Figure cleared to thy dark minde he was the Figure of him that was to come here thou shewest thou neither knowest the Figure nor the Substance if thou hadst known the Figure or the Substance thou wouldst have known the Apostles meaning we witness as it is and here I charge thee again that thou wouldst have another meaning than the Apostle spoke who wouldst have the Scripture cleared shewing that thou hast not the same Spirit that the Apostles had R●m 5. 14. here thou makest thy self manifest to be a stranger to the life of God death reigns in thee and thou neither knowest Adam nor Moses and there is the Scripture cleared up to thee it is thou that must be cleared and there is thy meaning to it Query 1. Who were they that were baptised for the dead 1 Cor. 15. 29. Answ Wouldst thou have another meaning of them who are baptised for the dead it seems that the dead is not risen in thee and here th●n standst in thy imaginacions and that dead minde in thee shall never know any thing of the Scripture nor any thing of God but art dead from the truth 1 Cor. 15. 29. but we witness it to be fulfilled Query 2. What his meaning is in being baptised for the dead Answ Here is the evil minde in thee that would be aspiring to know the Baptisme of the Dead here thou shewest thou never knewst Christ nor the Apostles nor Baptisme nor Death in thy self Rom. 6. 3. but makest thy ignorance and foolishness to appear when ever thou knowest Death to that which is alive in thee and that thou must before ever thou comest to know the Scriptures that which would have a meaning to it we do deny for we witness it through the death of that nature which is alive in thee who art blinde and canst not see which never shall know the meaning of that Scripture but Death with thy carnal eye Rom. 8. 6. Query 3. How this makes to the proving of the Point of the Resurrection the Apostle instancing it to this end Answ When thou knowest the Baptisme thou shalt know the Resurrection but to make a Point of Resurrection I utterly deny here thou hast shewed thy witchcraft I charge thee in the presence of the Lord God Almighty to make an Image for thy dead minde as touching the point of the Resurrection Psalm 73. ●0 the Resurrection thou wouldst have a Point made of it and the proof of this Point to thy dead carnal minde I utterly deny thy Points with thy dead minde raised out of the dead Letter which was given forth from a living and an eternal Spirit but thy dead minde is an Enemy to the Resurrection and here thou shewest thy self plainly unlearned 2 Pet. 3. 16. and untaught of God for before thou know the Resurrection thou must deny all thy dead Points and Proofs and openly hast thou declared it in these Queryes that thou
did not mencion any Water to his Disciples when he sent them forth but bade them teach the People all things whatsoever he had commanded them and sayd he was with them to the end of the world in this Query I see thy intent thou wouldst have a Cloak to hold up thy beastical Tradicions which never were commanded thou Eenemy of God and with thy carnal Tradicions and beggerly Rudiments thou art full of Earth pleading for the earthly Tradicions and Commandments and keepest poor People in ignorance and blindness in those things God never commanded and here the Plagues of God are added to thee who addest to the Prophecy written in this Book Rev. 2● 19. 22 Query When Christ commanded his Apostles to baptize all Naci●●s where do you finde Children excepted Answ In thy Query before thou askedst whether Christ did command his Disciples to baptize with Water now thou sayst in thy next Query when Christ commanded his Apostles to baptise all Nacions here thou full of all subtlety who layest Snares and art taken in thy Snare What hast thou to do to talk of Christs Baptism or the Apostles seeing thou walkest contrary to them all and with them wouldst make a Cloak to hold up another thing which Christ never commanded as to sprinkle Infants for sayth he Believe and be baptized to the washing away of sin which thou art full of and livest in first they were to be preached to and to come to repentance and to believe and be baptized but thou dark Sot what is this to thee in maintaining of the sprinkling of Infants with a little Water who understand nothing all thy Baptism I do utterly deny they are excepted thou and all are excepted but the seed and the Promise is to the seed not of seeds as of many but one Gal 3. 16 he that hath an Ear to hear let him hear but thou art dead in thy sins and uncircumcised in heart and knowest no Baptism but the sprinkliug of Infants which Christ never commanded and livest in the lust of thy ignorance having thy understanding darkned being alienated from the life of God art a stranger from the covenant of Promise a child of disobedience who the wrath of God abides upon Eph. 2. 12 23 Query Whether was not Christ baptied with Water who was above both Faith and Repentance Answ Thou Hypocrite what is this to thee to the sprinkling of Infants with Water who are neither come to Faith nor Repentance who thirty or forty years after dost tell them of Faith and Repentance who knowest neither thy self and what hast thou to do to talk of Jesus who went out of the Water Matth. 3. 16. and so the Heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God Mark 1. 9 10. but this makes thee never the wiser in thy fleshly understanding for thy curious minde and fleshly understanding is to be destroyed before thou come to know this Baptism for thou art in the nature of Herod that queryed for the Childe to see him that he might worship him but would have destroyed him but for the simple ones sakes have I discovered thee and made thee bare and naked 24 Query Whether did not Christ institute his last Supper with Bread and Wine Answ Christ doth not speak of Bread and Wine but he took Bread and brake it and sayd it was his Body and he took the Cup when he had given thanks he gave it to them and they did drink all of it and he sayd unto them This is my Bloud of the New Testament which is shed for many Mark 14. ●3 and this I have witnessed and we witness the breaking of the Bread which is his Body and drinking the Cup which is his Bloud Luke 22. 17 20. for weare many Members and but one Body but the Cup which thou drinkest we do deny for thy Cup is the Cup of Devils and thy Table is the Table of Devils 1 Cor. 10. 16 17 21. which is an Idol and Imitacion and thy Sacrifice is to Devils and not to God and as the Apostle sayd I would not you have fellowship with Devils 1 Cor. 10. 20. for do not Drunkards meet at thy Table and Swearers cursed Speakers and Fighters and who follow all manner of filthy pleasures and Idolaters and Covetous who live in all manner of Pride and filthiness and these are thy Companions and thy fellowship at thy Table and what hast thou to do to talk of the Cup of Christ who sits at the Table of Devils and drinks the Cup of Devils 1 Cor. 10. 21. 25 Query Whether did not Paul administer the Lords Supper to the Corinthians with Bread and Wine Answ Thou carnal Sot where did the Apostle give to the Corinthians Bread and Wine did not the Apostle say The Cup of blessing which we bless is it not the Communion of the Bloud of Christ the Bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ ● Cor. 10. 16 17. for we being many are one Bread and one Body for we are all Partakers of that one Bread we witness this who cannot drink the Cup of Devils nor sit at their Table where thou dost for it is forbidden 1 Cor. 10. 21. 26 Qu. Of what concernment is it to others and how long to continu in the Church seeing the Apostle sayth As oft as you eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup you shew forth the Lords death till he come Answ Thou desi●est to know of what concernment it is to others He that eateth and drinketh not discerning the Lords Body eateth and drinketh Domnacion to himself untill the Lord come 1 Cor 11. 29. Thou askest how long it shall continu in the Church this Bread and this Cup doth continu for ever in the Church it is so As oft as they eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup they shew forth the Lords Death till he come 1 Cor. 11. 26. but Friend what hast thou to do to talk of this who art in the generacion of them that were Enemies to Christ holding up the chief Priests which sought to put him to death who perswaded the multitude against him Matth 26 59 and who perswaded the Rulers against him Iohn 11 53 so do all thy Priests now where he is made manifest and in that Church thou art as thou callest it and of the same nature of them who ever sought to destroy the just This Cup thou never tastedst of nor of the Bread but they were them that were gathered off from the Priests and from the Temple whom this was spoken to for these were Figures of the substance but Friend all thy Imitacions and Priests and Suppers and Bread and Wine is an Imitacion an Image which is the likeness of a thing which the Lord forbids Thou shalt not make to thy self any graven Image nor the likeness of any thing and thou that eatest and drinkest not discerning the Lords Body eatest and drinkest Damnacion to thy self 1