in it in the sense spoken of while yet it is mortal than that equivalent Scripture Rom. 8. 11. doth signifie That the body shall be mortal when raised or that the resurrection shall be made in any in the time of this mortality where he saith He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal body by that spirit that now dwelt in them But that he speaks there of such a quickening or raising from the dead as in which their mortal bodies shall be made immortal is plain in that he compares it with the raising Christ from the dead having also affirmed before that now the body is dead because of sin while yet the spirit is made alive for righteousness sake And to that death that is now or still upon the body even after we have the first fruits of the Spirit he opposeth that quickening of the mortal body spoken of all which plainly shews that he speaks there of the blessed and first Resurrection which more properly than the other is called a quickening because it is a resurrection to life of which they in their bodies that sleep in Jâ—sus shall all be made partakers together at his Second Appearing speaking of that he saith He shall quicken your mortal bodies yet this mortal shall then and therein put on immortalâ—ty 2 This further Answer That if it should be granted you that the life of Jesus might be in some sense truly said to be manifested in the mortal flesh now while mortall yet it makes nothing against what was said about Gods being manifest in the flesh for this we had then at first laid down That the Spirit of life in Jesus being received into and dwelling in the mind or spirit of the beleever in that word or testimony of Christ received and abiding there doth also shew forth it self and act in and through the mortal body moving and strengthening it to such service and suffering as the renewing of the mind leads to Yet all this saith not That properly and in a full and absolute sense God is manifested or glorified in the flesh of his Saints in the time of this mortality much less that he is so manifested either in such manner or in or to the accomplishing of such works as he was manifested in the flesh in that one person that now in mans nature is received up into Glory which were the things denyed Secondly To your Charge in its last form with reference to those two Scriptures Col. 1. 27. 2 Cor. 13. 5. Truly I do not remember that those two Scriptures were at all mentioned in any Discourse by way of conference that was between us at least not so mentioned as you might have any answer to what you would have made them say I remember indeed Rich. Farnsworth in continued speech abused them But there was nothing said to him untill he had finished his large witness concerning himself after which the time being shore there was but little said by mee though more than could all bear without storming that we did not rather fall down and worship him and admire his words as some of your company did as the words of the eternal God and not of a man more highly blasphemous than that Act. 12. 22. but that which was said was not with reference to his abuse of those Scriptures but to his abuse of those two other Scriptures Ro. 7. 23. and 8. 10. which occasionally falling upon we shall briefly mention Hee witnessed that he was delivered from the Law of sin in his members that it was not remaining or warring there and from that body of death there mentioned with allusion to those expressions as signifying that Paul witnessed the like concerning himself whereas Paul complains of both as yet accumbring him speaking in the present time not in the time past I find then a law in my members warring Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death He was not yet delivered but wretched by reason of it remaining Though yet hee could thank God through Jesus in whom he had perfect deliverance which he injoyed by faith and therein also freedome from under the condemnation of that holy Law of God which discovers sin and sentenceth the sinner to death and daily victory in the combate over the dominion of sin and fear or horror of death yet still it remained and warred in him and so in all beleevers while here as to that purpose was then told the people Again he witnessed largely of his body being wholly mortified and dead to sin as the fruit of Christ being in him and therein and so God manifested in his flesh And this he said also with allusion to those expressions Rom. 8 10. If Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin c. which expressions he changed thus The body is dead unto sin To that also I told the people that the bodies being dead unto sin as it was not therein the expressions so neither could it there be meant because he saith The body is dead because of sin now its being crucified or dead unto sin is no part of the fruit of sin nor happens it to any because of sin but because of and as the fruit and vertue of Christs righteousness where in any sense or measure it s truly found But that here spoken of is something of misery still remaining on the beleever because of or as the fruit of sin though Christ be in them and so the spirit alive for righteousness sake yet the body is dead because of sin yea it is yet in it self a wretched vile body as Rom. 7. 23. Phil. 3. 21. though redeemed and taken to be the Lords yet not in it self while here wholly subdued to him nor conformed or made like to his glorious body untill the Resurrection and then it shall certainly so be we wait for the Adoption That is the redemption of the body You did indeed discover your selves in these and the like passages to be of no judgement concerning the faith and of the same spirit with those 2 Tim. 2. 18. that say The Resurrection is already made or past in them and so overthrow the faith of some that did not cleave so close to the foundation of God in giving earnest heed to the things they had heard in the Doctrine of the Death and Resurrection of Christ which foundation yet standeth sure against all your Batteries having this seal for its confirmation The Lord knoweth them that are his hee owneth approveth standeth by to the saving preserving and strengthning in all service and suffering all them that having received the Spirit in that hearing of faith do keep that in beleeving remembrance and abide in it as the fundamental doctrine they therin abide in unior and fellowship with and protection of the Son and so of the Father in him 2 Tim. 2. 19. 1 Joh 2. 24 25 26 27. 2 Joh. 7. -9. Joh. 10. 27-29 and
that Scripture to speak of the manifestation of God in that one person and not in divers in and through whom onely the Fathers goodness and glory is preached and the preaching of it in the Gospel now fully made known from the Jews to the Gentiles in and through whom truly and onely the Father is beleeved on in the world John 12. 44 45 46. Rom. 1. 16 17 19. and 2. 4. with Act. 4. 10 11 12. and 17. 24-31 I say after this I added that indeed it could not properly be said That in a ful or absolute sense God was or is manifested in the flesh of any natural Son of Adam in the time of this mortality nor so as he was in that person who was not naturally of us but made so by a work of new creation and now through sufferings for us entered into his glory to this purpose were my words to which also I then added as follows or to this purpose contrary to what thou hast falsely charged me with That it is true God hath said he well dwel and walk in his people that through grace beleeve in him according to the testimony given of his Son but that the spirit of the beleever primely and chiefly is the subject of his indwelling or habitation which is said to be made alive for righterusness sake while yet the body is dead because of sin and to serve the Law of God while yet the flesh is much inslaved by the law of sin remaining and warring in the members and the body of death remaining on them even in the best of beleevers while here in those in whom Christ dwels in his Spirit and by faith Rom. 8. 10. and 7. 23. 25. whence the Apostle saith he knows that in him that is in his flesh dwels no good thing Rom. 7. 18. yet the fountain of all goodness being received into the mind spirit oâ— inner man by faith as Ephes 3. 16 17. that also springs up and acts forth through the mortal body moving and strengthening it to all its service and suffering whence also the body is said to be the Temple of the Lord it being the Tabernacle of that mind spirit or inner-man in which God primely and chiefly dwelleth and manifesteth himself in and through the testimony of Jesus there received 2 Cor. 5. 1-5 8 14 15. and chap. 4. 6 7. as well as also more generally because that also is bought with a price to be his as in that 1 Cor. 6. â—0 yea the bodies of beleevers are so the Temples of the Lord as not onely bought with a price but taken possession of owned and accepted in his Son with whom they are united by faith That God will also manifest himself fully and gloriously in those bodies when he that raised up the Lord shall also raise us up by his own power a in that 1 Cor. 6. 14. Then shall he change our vile bodies that they may be fashioned like unto his glorious body by that mighty working by which he is able to subdue even all things to himself Surely James hadst thou any fear of God before thy eyes thou wouldst be ashamed of thy gross ignorance that can see no difference or distinction between the body being the Temple of the Lord and so being also holy as being redeemed called accepted devoted to be his and for him And the Lord being fully and glorioufly manifested in his holy Temple Hast thou not read indeed I fear thou dost give very little attendance to reading the Scriptures because I find in thy discourse and papers they are slighted as a dead letter and most of them as quoted by thee have a false reading put upon them But I say hast thou never read that then was the time once in the last ages of the world when Christ appeared in that body then and so prepared for him as before and was once offered to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself even then was the Son of man glorified and God was glorified in him and he did then straightway glorifie him carrying him through sufferings into glory in a full and absolute sence as in the Scriptures fore-mentioned But that the day of the manifestation of all the residue of the Sons of God of mankind even the day of the redemption of their bodies when the glory of God shal be revealed in the Saints fully and so he glorified and admired in all them that now through grace beleeve because the Apostles testimony was received by them in that day that this is yet to be waited for til the end of this world in this corruptible state of it till the Lord himself personally come again and in the glory of his Father and with his holy Angels and bring all those that sleep in Jesus with him and so till they shall all be gathered together unto him to the injoyment of it till that day in which their enemies shall be all troden down aâ—mire in the streets who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to be glorified in his Saints c. Then shall the righteous shine as the Sun in the Kingdom of their Father when all the tares are plucked up and cast into the fire which cannot be done by any of the servants in the world that now is nor shall be done by the Angels till the end of it and while they remain among them they as well as this body of death upon them do hinder the glorious manifestation of the Sons of God Surely then even we saith the Apostle as well as our expectation of the whole Creation to be then restored or renewed we also that have the first fruits of the Spirit do wait or tarry for the adoption that is the redemption of our bodies and so for the manifestation of the Sons of God If thou hast not read this or hast forgotten having too much I fear suffered the knowledge faith and hope of it to slip out of thy heart Or however I pray thee for thy own good if it may be read consider and compare these Scriptures comparing them with that fore-cited concerning that manifestation of God in the flesh in the person of Christ Joh. 13. 31 32. Rom. 8 18 19 23-25 with 2 Thes 1 5 6 7-9 10. and ch â— 1 2. Mat. 13. 28 29 30. with ver 37-40 42 43. Psa 37. 6 7. Mal. 4. 1-3 1 Thes 4. 14-16 17. Tit. 2. 12 13. 2 Tim 48. Again dost thou not remember that when at first thou didst charge me with denying God to be manifest in the flesh of the Saints which were the expressions of thy charge on its first appearance though much altered and higher after in thy paper and since in thy Letter that then I denied thy Châ—rge and told the people over again what I said suitable to what I have now and before written as much as I could gâ—t liberty and what
I would stand to It is true thou toldst me then I was a lyar in disowning what thou wouldest charge on me but thou wast a single witness to that and when I left that to the people thou hadst from one of them viz. Mr. Wray a sober and Christian answer to this purpose as â— remember That the end of that meeting he thought was not to catch at and strive about words and although to his remembrance what I had said about Gods being manifested in the flesh was to that purpose and in like expressions in which I had then again repeated and delivered it yet if some could not be satisfied but that some expressions did fall from me that might in their apprehensions carry more in them than I would stand to or own as my sence of them yet then he thought it reasonable that I should have that Christian liberty my self to explicate my sense of them and meaning in them that I would stand to and no more charged on me as my saying And this liberty likewise he desired you should have and I think you needed it and had it when you said The Judgement after death was past in you and yet after explicated your meaning That you was past the danger of it though the last nothing near comes up to the first But James Thou hast in thy jangling about this and in such other catching at and strife about words and in thy slanders clearly manifested to them that will not shut their eyes that thy intention in that discourse was to endeavor any way thou couldst to subvert the people from understanding what we had propounded to be reasoned about concerning the essence of Christ what it is whether something essentially in many persons or one person distinct from all other persons and if one person granted then whether in the works done in his own body in his Incarnation Death Resurrection and Ascention there was and so remaineth in him in our nature in that his own body by vertue of those works so finished in it the onely and abiding vertue for the taking away of sin or is the vertue for that also chiefly or at all in some other work or works done in other persons And about his Second Appearing and the glory then to be revealed whether that be to be waited for by all beleevers all the time of this mortality or made in or to any in this day I perceive it did not please thee that hath pleased the Father that in all things he should have the preheminence in whom onely dwels the fulness of the Godhead bodily and so communicâ—bly in its influences Thou hadst surely done more fairly if thou hadst let the people know that thy intention was to make a nullity or a type shadow or figure of that person Jesus of Nazareth and of those works done and finished in his own body in which himself bore our sins to the tree and was raised and glorified or at least to make thy self and others his equals in all those manifestations of God in him as Korah Dathan and Abiram would have dealt with Moses and Aaron in those things in which they were eminent Types of him and did they not indeavor it with thy pretence All the Congregation is holy and the Lord is among them Num. 16 3. and as those foretold of Jude 11. 2 To thy second Slander That I denied Christs being in them mentioned Collos 1. 27. and 2 Corinth 13. 5. to bee Gods being in them Surely James Either the spirit by which thou art immediately guided is very forgetful or else thou art very confident of my forgetfulness and presuming on that art not affraid to alter thy own charges as oft as thy thoughts alter about the advantagiousness of the manner of laying them I remember thou didst charge me before with something of this nature but then in these expressions That I denyed Christ to be God and the life of Christ being manifested in the flesh to be Gods being manifested in the flesh And this thou saidst I did in giving this Answer to that Scripture 2 Cor. 4. 10 11. That the life of Jesus might be manifest in our mortal flesh viz. That that was not God this was thy Charge and now it is thus much altered That in answer to those two other Scriptures Col. 1. 27. 2 Cor. 13. 5. I said That was not God in us To thy Charge in both formes I shall Answer so far as to discover thy falsity First to the first My Answer to that 2 Cor. 4. 10 11. was this though I well remember I was cut off by thee in the midst of it and thou wouldst not let the people hear it that that Scripture saith not That God was manifested in their mortal flesh buâ— that he might be In which answer is fully granted that in the life of Jesus being manifested in their mortal flesh God is or may be said therein to be truly manifested But that which is denied in that Answer is That that Scripture speaks of that as a thing now done in them that which was now done and manifest in their body was death unto which they were daily and always delivered that the other might be That the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body in our mortal flesh he doth not say it now was in the time of this mortality but that it might be so in this flesh that now was mortal For if in it we suffer with him even in the same body we shall also reign with him and be glorified together And when thou didst charge me with this next day I bâ—gan to give thee this Answer forementioned it is true thou wouldst not suffer me to speak out my Answer nor the people to hear what was spoken either day But I almost think thou didst perceive what my Answer was and would have been and that it would have been too many for thee to overthrow and therefore was angry with it in its first appearance and would not let the people understand what it was but presently stopt my mouth and their ears with reproaches and slanders I had in my thoughts this twofold Answer to have given to your abuse of that Scripture if I could have obtained but humane civility from you 1 That already mentioned viz. That the Text saith not That the life of Jesus was manifested in their mortal flesh now while mortal But that they was delivered to death now always that that might be and when and wherein they expected that should be fully accomplished is clear in that which follows vers 13 14. We also beleeve and therefore speak knowing saith he that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall also raise us up by Jesus and shall present us with you they shall not one prevent another in that And that phrase That the life of Jesus might be manifested in our mortal flesh doth no more signifie that that life of Jesus shall be fully manifested
whether we may look for that word in these dayes Isa 30. 9 What that word of faith is by which none needs to say Who shall ascend up to heaven to fetch Christ from above or who shall descend into the deep that is to bring up Christ again from the dead but that word is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart which the Apostle preached to them that had it in their heart And whether the same word be not now in the hearts of the people though they mind it not Rom. 10. 10 What that voyce of Christ is which his sheep knows and how they come to know it from other voyces and all that hear it will not hear the voyce of strangers and hirelings and theeves and sorcerers but by the same voyce are brought to know Christ and follow him Joh. 10. And whether his sheep may expect and wait for the same voyce now and to know it from all other voyces which are false 11 What that way is in the wilderness which Isaiah spake of Isa 35. 8. which shall be called the way of holiness which the unclean shall not pass over but it shall be for wayfaring men and fools shall not erre therein in which way the Redeemed shall walk and the Ransomed of the Lord shall come to Sion And whether any may expect to find in these dayes such a way as are strangers and fools in the world 12 What that manifestation of the Spirit is which is given to every man to profit with all and whether there be any profit but by it and whether it be not of it self â—n infallible guide in all the way of God according to its manifestation Joh. 4. 23. 13 What and where that worship of God is truly in which God alone looks to be worshipped in And whether any can worship in spirit and in truth but those that are born of the Spirit And whether that he that is born of the Spirit needeth any other guide in the spiritual worship but that Spirit of which he is born according to his measure Joh. 1. 9. And whether such worships hath not been and are now differing from all other worships in the world and therefore hated by them as in all Ages 14 What and where that light is that inlightens every man that comes into the world which being come into the world is the condemnation of all those that are in darkness because of their evil deeds And whether this be not the condemnation of all the world that beleeve not in it but walk in darkness And whether there be any other condemnation but it seeing Christ said If I had not come ye had not had sin Joh. 3. Rom. 8. 15 What the Law of the Spirit of life is which made Paul free from the law of sin and death which had warred against the law of his mind and had formerly held him in captivity to the law of sin that was in his members And whether any in these dayes that are come to that warfare may look for that freedome by the Law of the Spirit of life And thus I have written these few lines the Lord revealing by his Spirit in me the great delusion sorcery and bewitched doctrine that you are under of these bewitching Simon Magus sorcerers which have put you upon a Christ crucified without you notwithstanding you and the rest are in your filthiness and first nature Whereas the Holy Ghost hath declared That they must be pure in heart that must see God Matth. 5. 8. And hath neglected to tell you of a washing of regeneration and new birth by the Holy Ghost in you T it 3 4 5 6. And hath brought another Gospel contrary to what Christ hath already preached and therefore he rendreth such accursed 1 Pet. 1. 12. And the Lord speaking by the mouth of Paul saying My little children of whom I travel again in birth untill Christ be formed in you Gal. 4. 19. And the Lord in mercy look upon you for my bowels yern towards you and pity you to see Prophets and Teachers creep in among you to draw you from your guide 2 Pet. 2. 1. Written from the Spirit of the Lord from one whom the people of this world calls Quaker known by the name of Thomas Biddal The Answer to the fore-said Queries by Tho. Moore ANd first to the Inscription or Dedication of them which runs thus To Alice Morden and the rest which are not yet given up to Delusion To all who deny the teaching of God to be sufficient c. In which words that which is imported in the plainest sense of them is That they look upon this as a testimony sufficient that men are not given up to Delusion viz. That they deny the teaching of God to be sufficient to guide them that own it to God without humane helps or at least that those that do so are not given up This appears their sense if the indicter of this understood himself but that rather I suppose hee did not however to this Inscription and Dedication we shall lay down this for Answer That to deny the absolute and alone sufficiency of the teaching of God without humane helps or mans teaching is a sin of a very high nature and an evidence of being in a great measure given up to delusion Jer. 8. 8 9 and 6. 10 11. and 23. 16 18 22 c. Isa 8. 16-20 1 Tim. 6. 3 4 5. 1 Joh. 2. 19. 20-24-26 27. and Chap. 4 6. That therefore we may know who they are that do so that we may beware of them and of all steps leading to this evill Let us consider First What Gods eaching is Secondly Where and how himself doth preach or hold it forth unto men Thirdly How or wherein men may be said to deny the alone sufficiency thereof First What Gods teaching is as to the matter of it There is in it 1 Something summary and fundamental of all the rest by which primely it may be known and distinguished 2 Some things contained in springing out of and built upon or arising from those things that are main and fundamental in it 1 Those things main and fundamental in Gods teaching are concerning Jesus Christ before promised and witnessed and in his undertaking vertuous now manifested as delivered to death for our offences according to the Scriptures therein bearing our sins in his own body to the Tree not bearing them or leaving them to be born in that sense in our souls or bodies and raised again from the dead for our justification according to the Scriptures And so concerning his own the Fathers love and goodness to man-ward the glory of which is now manifested in the face of Christ even in those works done in and by his first personal Appearance and the acceptance and vertue of them with the Father for us and the end of them to bee fully revealed and accomplished in his second personal and glorious appearance according as declared to us in
the Gospel or testimony of God concerning him who hath abolished death by his appearing and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel 1 Cor. 15. 1-4 1 Pet. 2. 24. Rom. 4. ult 2 Cor. 4. 6. 2 Tim. 1. 10. and 2. 8. In this the Spirit and teaching of God is primely known and distinguished from all others it doth unto and for all things confess acknowledge and praise or commend Jesus Christ as already come in the flesh not coming but come and now through sufferings entred into glory in that his own personal body in our nature and for us according to the Apostles Doctrine 1 Joh. 4. 1 2 3 6. for reproving the world and teaching and leading the beleever into all truth It takes of his things and shews to the soul and so glorifies him even lifts up the Son of man the personal abasement sufferings or cross of Christ with the ends and vertues thereof as now manifested in him being raised and received up into glory Joh. 16. 8 9 10 13 14. with Joh. 3. 14. Rom. 1. 1-3 4. 1 Tim. 3. 16. 2 Tim. 2 8. This is so the summe and subject matter of all the Fathers teaching That every one that hath heard and learned of the Father cometh to Christ according to the testimony God hath already given of him Joh. 6. 45. And he that beleeveth not the testimony or record that God hath already given of Christ maketh God a lyar 1 Joh. 5 10. Yea it is so the summary and fundamental matter of all his teaching that he is said to learn all truth and so to teach and lead into all truth in Jesus in the demonstration opening and usefulness of Jesus and those things of him according to the record God hath given of him by the one month of a â— his Prophets and Apostles since the world began Eph. 4. 20 21. with Joh. 16. 13 14. Act. 3. 20 21. This the purpose and grace of God given us in Christ from the beginning now manifested by the appearing of Christ c. as 2 Tim 1 9 10. That the Son of man must be lifted up above all and for or unto all help and healing of men even as Moses lift up the Serpent in the wilderness That whosoever beleeveth in him should not perish but have eternall life For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son namely the Saviour of the world and to be so lifted up That whosoever beleeveth in him c. Joh. 3. 14 15 16. 2 Those things contained in the matter of Gods teaching as springing out of and arising from the things main and fundamental are Doctrines and Instructions concerning all things needful to be known given and opened in and through the demonstration opening and usefulness of the knowledge of him in what he hath done and is become for us for so saith our Savior The holy Spirit as now coming forth in and with the testimony of Jesus as the works of our salvation are finished in his body he shall reprove the world of sin of righteousness and of Judgemâ—nt and all this in with and through that testimony of Jesus as given forth to them for thus he explicates Of Sin because they beleeve not on me of Righteousness because I go to my father and ye see me no more He comes down no more to suffer in which the infinit and abiding vertue of his once suffering is declared And the second and glorious Appearance they should not see in the time of this mortality nor till we all come together Of Judgement because the Prince of this world is judged already which also was done in him as Joh. 12. 31 32. speaking of that vertually done from the beginning now presently to be actually done in his own body and by his being lifted up from the earth both on the cross and then because of that being raised on the right hand of Majesty he saith now is the judgement of this world now is the Prince of this world cast out And with this Argument or in the Demonstration and usefulness of this as he reproves the world of Righteousness that all theirs is nothing his onely perfect and will stand them instead So he reproves them also of Judgement shews the vanity and falseness of all theirs whether of Condemnation or Absolution or in their apprehensions concerning things and persons And likewise he saith He shall teach them the beleevers on him further in and by the same Instrument and shall so lead them into all truth and shew them things to come for saith he He shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that shall he speak he shall take of my things and shew unto you he shall glorifie me c. Joh. 16. 8 14. In the demonstration and opening of him God learneth all truth and so also therein instructeth and directeth to all right demeanors towards God and men So the Apostles gave all their commandements by the Lord Jesus in the demonstration opening and applying the things of him did give the ground and reason of them shew their equity move and press to the observing them in the strength afforded in those mercies of the Lord in and through that testimony of Jesus 1 Thes 4. 2. Rom. 12. 1. 1 Pet. 1. 13-18 c. Ephes 4. 1-8 10. For that Grace of God that bringeth Salvation to all men especially in this appearance of it now come forth by Jesus Christ teacheth that denying ungodliness and wordly lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearance of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ c. Tit. 2. 11 12 13. 2 That in the second place propounded to be considered is where and how this teaching of the Father is held forth by himself unto men surely that is 1 In all the books of his Creation and providence in all mercies chastisements and changes of his providence with men Job 33. 14-29 30. and 36. 22. 26. Psal 19. 1-7 107. with Rom. 10. 17 18. But 2 More clearly and abundantly in the holy Scriptures which were both given and left upon record by immediate inspiration and furniture of God Rom. 15. 4. 2 Pet. 1. 19 20 21. 1 Cor. 14. 37. 2 Pet. 3. 2. 1 Joh. 1-4 5. and are therefore profitable for all doctrine or teaching c. They are able being his words and preserved in the Records of them from any fundamental or material perversion on the account of his righteousness who hath so promised Psal 12. 6. Prov. 12. 19. Isa 8. 16. 20. 44. 25 26. and so owned by him and accompanied with his spiritual presence to the end of the world Mat. 28. 20. able I say to make us wise to salvation both of our selves and others through faith which is in Christ Jesus and throughly to furnish the man of God to every good word and work 2 Tim. 3. 14 15 16 17.
seen by them as 1 Pet. 1. 8. yet from him they enjoy this benefit that do waite for him as the influences of the light of his testimony and Grace that bringeth Salvation to all men Their eyes shall see their Teachers surely those are the several and various Instruments and means of teaching that he affordeth them which are all his Works and Providences about them in all Mercies and Chastisements yea in their very Adversities as also his Records and Servants whatever he is doing about them or vouchsafing to them their eyes shall see their Teachers in all these things whence Elihu admonishing Job to consider Who teacheth like God who hath enjoyned him his way c. Calls upon him to see that he magnifie his Work that men behold every man may see it Job 36. 22 25. for indeed all the Works of the Lord and his various Providences about us are Instruments by and through which he is conveying his teaching as before is shewed Job 33. 14 29. Psal 19. 107. therefore saith the last Verse of that Psalm Who so is wise and will observe these things even they shall understand the loving kindness of the Lord. Blessed therefore are the people that waite for him even now they shall fare well in the evil time before they come to sit down in their everlasting rest when they shall weep no more even now in this time of their weeping or adversity whatever God try them with or deprive them of yet their eyes shall see their Teachers they shall meet with instruction from the Lord and from the testimony of him the fountain of their teaching in and through all that is before them to direct and strengthen them more to turn from dumb Idols to serve the living God and to waite for his Son from Heaven for that Grace of God that bringeth Salvation to all men spoken of verse 18 teacheth them in and through all occasions and means which are many that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts they should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world so as waiting for the Lord Isa 30. 18 19. and then and therein looking for that blessed hope mentioned in the beginning of verse 19. to dwell in Sion at Jerusalem and to weep no more even in the glorious appearing of the mighty God and our Saviour Tit. 2. 11 12 13. Isa 35. 4 10. 9 Qu. What that word of faith is Rom. 10. 6 8. Ans That which they did preach which word did declare the Descension and Ascension of Christ not only as the Works of God but as then already wrought vers 9. and the Word declaring them as done in one for all now come forth to be so beleeved and acknowledged by them that Word in the preaching of it comes or is made nigh unto men even in their heart and in their mouth that in that nigh coming of it through the power in and with it it might be received though it is not naturally nigh to or in any man but shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not Joh. 1. 5. nor otherwise is it as a habit or indwelling principle in men that beleeve or minde it not 1 Joh. 5. 10. Rom. 1. 28. 10 Qu. What that voyce of Christ is Joh. 10. and how they come to know it And whether his sheep may expect and wait for the same voyce now and to know it from all other c. Ans Here are three or four Queries in one to the first the former Answer may serve for that voyce of Christ is nothing else but that Word which God sent first to Israel and then to all the Gentiles preaching peace by Jesus Christ he is Lord of all which God hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son who began to preach it personally and confirmed it by them that heard him That in that Word as so delivered Repentance and remission of Sins might be preached not in the name of any other work thing or person but in his Name who himself bare our Sins in his own Body to the Tree that it might be preached to all Nations beginning at Jerusalem that word of Righteousness which the Apostles preached and left on Record Luk. 24. 46 47 48. Act. 10. 36 Heb. 1. 1 3. 2. 1 3. To the Second Query under this Head we answer It is known by its own light and power even by the demonstration of Spirit and of power that is in and with that Word as so preached which lifts up Christ and the glory of God in him and therein and thereby opens the understanding to understand the truth and goodness of the Scriptures declaring him as is shewed before and know his voyce therein To the Third Whether his Sheep may now expect it c. we answer It is already preached and made known to all Nations for the obedience of Faith that in the listning to and receiving it not as the word of men but as it is indeed the Word of God according as men by its own light and power in its coming to them are enabled men might be made of the Sheep of Christ in that peculiar sence and being Sheep might be guided by the same and they that wait for any other Voyce wait for a Delusion a strange Voyce and therein render themselves none of the Sheep of Christ To the last Branch how it may be known and distinguished from all other I answer by its own light and demonstration that Word of God where-ever so received as before it effectually worketh in them that beleeve to the discovery of all strange Voyces to be strange by this Rule They lift not up Jesus according to the Apostles Doctrin and to the moving and strengthening them to turn from all such because they know them not Joh. 10. 4 5. 1 Joh. 4. 1 6. 2. 20 27. 11 Qu. What that way is Isa 35. 8. Ans Jesus Christ as delivered to Death for our Offences and raised again for our Justification is the way the truth and the life and no man cometh to the Father but by him Joh. 14. 6. He that only Rest and Foundation propounded and laid by God for the people in the Law and Prophets Isa 28. 12. 16. with Ephes 2. 2. 20. and so the way of our approach and access to the Father vers 16 17 18. yea the beginning of all the ways of God he in and by whom sinners may now approach for washing through his Bloud but they that remain filthy and unclean still will not suffer themselves to be washed or made free from sin by the Son of Man through the truth now in this day of his Grace shall after be shut out for ever and not enter by him through the gates into the City in his second appearing which shall be only to the Salvation of those that through the grace by his first appearing are of the number of lookers for him were here as Travellours Strangers and Pilgrimes
Qu. What the Law of the Spirit of life is which made Paul free from the Law of Sin and Death which had warred against the law of his minde and had formerly held him in captivity to the Law of Sin that was in his members And whether any in these days that are come to that warfare may took for that freedom by the law of the Spirit of lifeâ— Ans Besides the confusion of two or three Queries in one here are some things taken for granted which we can by no means allow because the Text it self demes them viz. That by the Law of Sin and Death spoken of Rom. 8. 2. is meant the same with the law of sin in his members mentioned Chap. 7. 21 23. which did warre against the law of his mind and led him captive in some sence to it self and 2 That he was made free from that Law of Sin in his Members that it was not so much as warring against the law of his minde now both these I shall wholly deny and as they hang together so they will fall together in answer to one That by the Law of Sin and Death Chap. 8. 2. is not meant the same with the law of sin in his members Chap. 7. 21 23. appears in this That from the Law of Sin and Death mentioned Cha. 8. 2. he saith he was made free but of the other Chap. 7. 21 23 c. he affirms not that he had before but that he did now finde a law in his members warring against the law of his minde indeed before the Gospel of the Grace of God came or was received there was no discovery or disturbance of that-Law in his members and therefore no occasion for such a warre but since was the Combate and though it had been unthroned in his minde yet it was still warring in his members and he was not yet delivered from it though he could rejoyce in God in whom he had perfect deliverance and enjoyed it by faith and hope of perfect deliverance in himself by Christ when he should be delivered from the whole body of this Death yea by that Law of Sin and Death mentioned Rom. 8. 2. as appears by the next verses is meant that holy and righteous Law of God mentioned Rom. 7. 12-16 for so in the next verses of that Rom. 8. with reference to the same Law mentioned vers 2. he signifies the reason of its inability to give us life and peace was not any weakness or imperfection in itself but the weakness of our flesh and also propounds that as one great end of what Christ hath done that the righteousness of that Law might be fulfilled in them that beleeve c. And that Law is therefore called a Law of Sin and Death because it discovers Sin and sentences and concludes the Sinner under death yet itself is holy just and good Chap. 7. 10. whereas the other Law Chap. 7. 20 23. is sinful sin it self a body of sin this being understood the foundation of the Query falls yet this further Answer we shall give By that Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus by which he was made free from the condemnation and charges of this law of Sin and Death is meant nothing else but the Gospel of Christ which is that Old and New Commandement of the everlasting God the Law of Liberty Joh. 12. 47-50 1 Ioh. 2. 7 8. Iam. 1. 25. the Doctrin of the Spirit of Life that is in Christ Jesus or of that Spirit concerning the life Justification Peace and Redemption in Christ Jesus This appears plainly 1 By considering the next Verse in which he demonstrates how and with what Argument the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ freed him in which he propounds the main and fundamental Proposition and Argument of the Gospel in such cases and in all other for what the Law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh God sending forth his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh c. as 2 Cor. 5. 21. 2 It appears by comparing this with Rom. 1. 16 17. 1 Cor. 1. 18. c. where the Gospel of Christ even that preaching of the Cross as by them delivered is said to be the power of God to Salvation to the Beleever c. 3 It further appears by comparing this with 2 Cor. 3. where that Dispensation of the Gospel or Ministration given to the Apostles and by them to us is called the Ministration of Spirit of Life of Glory c. as opposed to the Ministration of the Law as given by Moses which as so opposed is called a killing Letter a Ministration of Death of Condemnation c. And this Gospel is still of the same quality it effectually worketh in them that beleeve in discovering and opening what Christ hath done for them in delivering them from the Curse of the Law in himself as in the publick person that in coming in to him by faith in him they might enjoy the benefit pacifying their Conscience and healing their Nature and so in the discovery of the Vertues and acceptance of what Christ hath done with the Father and is become according to the ends of his Cross This having the Arm of God in it as well as solid Arguments to that purpose it purgeth the Conscience from guilt of sin by the Law and from dead works to serve the living God and so quickens to new and livening hope and affections through the Resurrection of Jesus so as they have their Remission Peace as also Sanctification Preservation c. through his Name Acts 10 43. 13. 39. 2 Cor. 3. 18. Rom. 6. 17 18. Joh. 8. 31 32 36. 1 Cor. 6. 11. 1 Pet. 1. 5. Joh. 17. 11. To his Conclusion at the close of the Queries in which hee boasts of Gods revealing by his Spirit in him the great delusion others are in in being instructed to look to a Christ Crucified without them while they are in their filthiness and first nature c. as more at large may be seen in the Copy of his writing fore inserted To this I say we answer Surely the Lord doth not reveal any thing by his Spirit in or to any but so as therein he enableth them that receive his Revelation in some measure to make it known he to this purpose appeareth that he may make them witnesses of those things in which he appeareth How then shall we beleeve that God hath revealed to him the delusion others are in when he is not able in the least measure to make it out at least he hath not done it in these lines only endeavoured by a multitude of confused questions to finde it out as one not knowing and himself in all fore-written not laying down at all what in his apprehension is truth or what is error posiâ—ively but left that to be gathered in the manner of his Queries unless we may finde some discovery of
his Revelation in this conclusion surely here is something more plain than in all before viz. That they are bewitching Simon Maguses Sorcerers and preach another Gospel contrary to what Christ hath preached that pu◠people upon a Christ Crucified without them notwithstanding they are in their filthiness and first nature c. See more at large in the conclusion of his Queries For answer to it let us see what Jesus Christ and his Apostles have preached as to this The Son of Man came to seek and to save that which was lost for God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son the Saviour of the World and to be so lifted up as Moses lifted up the Serpent in the Wilderness as an Object prepared for the healing of all that have sinned and must dye that whosoever beleeveth in him as so lifted up before them should not perish but have everlasting life For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved and Jesus Christ by the Grace of God tasted Death not in but for every man and gave himself a Ransom to God for all men he gave his Flesh for the life of the World and is the Mediator between God and Man the standing Propitiation not for our sins only but also for the sins of the whole World and a testimony unto men in due time having himself in his own Body not in our Bodies born our sins to the Tree he dyed the just for the unjust that he might bring us to God being put to death in the Flesh but quickned by the Spirit c. When we were Sinners and without strength in due time Christ dyed for the ungodly Surely if men had been pure or might by any other means have seen God Christ should not have dyed for them This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the World to save sinners c. Search the Scriptures Neither doth this Doctrin lead men to neglect or slight the washing of Regeneration or the forming of Christ in the knowledge and faith of him in what hee hath done is become and will do and so in the vertues and saving operations of him in the heart But on the other hand both urgeth the absolute necessity of it according to the means and capacities thereto vouchsafed for if men could have entred th◠Kingdom without another Birth he would never have been at such cost for the opening a Fountain of Pardon and purging to wash us in and also shews the only open door way and means to it and by which it may be effected viz. His Name through faith in it which things considered it will appear They are but the reproaches of them that reproach him that herein fall on us which we desire patiently and joyfully to bear Th◠Moore junior POST-SCRIPT SInce my writing the Premises I have met with the Queries fore-inserted in Print published among other such stuff by some that are ashamed of their Name or know not what to call themselves or else as is likely refused to subscribe those Queries because they had delivered them into the hands of many others of their young Disciples in severall places as well as to Tho. Biddall to be given forth as their own immediate revelations the property of their spirit being to reveal Questions without any substantial or certain Answers and having done so now to have subscribed to them James Parnell or any other particular name would have rendered T. B. in one place and some others in other places Lyars in pretending them theirs In that in Print by them the superscription is much altered and many of the Tearms in the Queries their spirit it seems on better advisement sometimes findes cause to alter his expressions and tearms I mention it to shew that wherein they glory they are found as others They have also waved their Rayling conclusion and in its room added a sixteenth Query to those I had viz. What that Grace of God is that bringeth Salvation and hath appeared to all men c. For Answer to that I refer the Reader to the Preface where I have shewed How that Doctrin of the Grace of God bringeth Salvation to all men and so appearing unto them directly strikes against and overthrows the foundation of all their imaginations And that indeed they beleeve no such thing as the Grace of God appearing to men and bringing Salvation to them as a thing wrought in another for them and thence and therewith moving in saving operations but do put in the room of it the fancy of some Grace Light Disposition or Quality discovered revived or stirred up in a man to be the Author and Finisher of their imaginary Salvation and so at the best seek to establish a righteousness of their own mean while not submitting to but stumbling at the righteousness of Christs Which also further appears in their Rayling on the directing men to a Christ Crucified for them without them while they were yet sinners see the conclusion of their Queries as fore-inserted compare with this that which immediatly follows that sixteenth Query fore-mentioned as now published by them viz. The light in your Conscience the tru◠Teacher and that as opposed to Teachers from without So in the Title Page of that Book it is called A direction to all to turn their mindes within c. Now that which is always and at all times within cannot properly be said to be brought to a man And here also the considerate Reader may see how falsly the Querist in some Queries set before these in the Book fore-mentioned pretends tó disown That the light he boasts of is Natural or naturally in a man doubtless their imaginations of its being always in men as a Habit or in-dwelling Principle while yet they have received nothing of that given from above how much soever disappearing and whether they call it first or second nature do render it such as likewise is shewed in the Preface where the vanity and filthiness of these Dreamers that commend to every one the Visions of their own heart and teach them to follow their own spirit that yet have seen nothing as Ezek. 13. 3. and yet call that Spirit and the Word of the Lord as those Isa 4. that would eat their own Bread and wear their own Apparrel only bee called by his Name to take away their reproach is discovered Nor is it unusual for these spirits to pretend highly against a thing for advantage to their design when yet in their hearts or bottom Principles they justifie or allow it or on the other hand to pretend as much for a thing that in heart they are enemies to and their Principles strike against as I could clearly evince were it not for brevity sake The Reader may see a little in J. N's Letter to me where he admonisheth those he calls blinde Guides to search the Scriptures and