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A43716 Patro-scholastiko-dikaiƍsis, or, A justification of the fathers and the schoolmen shewing, that they are not self-condemned for denying the positivity of sin. Being an answer to so much of Mr. Tho. Pierce's book, called Autokatakrisis, as doth relate to the foresaid opinion. By Hen: Hickman, fellow of Magdalene Colledge, Oxon. Hickman, Henry, d. 1692. 1659 (1659) Wing H1911A; ESTC R217506 59,554 166

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signifies our nature and its faculties as under corruption The faculties in which the sinfull privations are by reason of those privations doe lust against the working of the Spirit And now I might take my leave of Mr. P. but that I am told of no lesse than 17 cogent Arguments used by him in his Divine Philanthropie which I had not the courage to venture on When Mr. B. told him that he durst not quote the Assemblies Confession he is made a lyar for that speech If he deserve such a censure so I am sure doth Mr. P. How could I be said to want courage to meddle with that which I had never read over And which now that I have been forced to read over hath rather exercised my patience than my courage so far am I from looking upon them as convincing Demonstrations that I think I should honour them sufficiently if I but say that they are good enough for a Sophister to use when he is put to course in the Horse-fair ex tempore He ptetends to have proved in ample manner That sinne hath an efficient cause properly so call'd being angry it seems with the saying of Augustin that makes it to have a deficient rather than an efficient properly so call'd Pag. 145. If man be not the efficient cause saith our doughty Disputant then he is either the material or formal or final Rather than we will seem to be too much frighted we will say that man is the material or subjective cause of the action such a material or subjective cause as evill can have And he is the efficient cause too of the evil of the action if by an efficicient he meane no more than that unto which it may be ascribed But he and I both were best not to make too much noise least wee should awaken the youngsters to fall aboard us with such an Argument as this If man be the efficient cause either of a good action or a bad action then hee doth effect it by another action and so we may proceed in infinitum To let that pass the deficient cause is reduceable to the efficient and this is to be said Suppose the first sin of Angels to have been a proud desire to be equal unto God the cause of this proud desire was the will of the Angel but it was the cause of the action in such a sense as a causality may be said to have a cause per se of the vitiosity of the action it was onely the cause per accidens per concomitantiam nor doth the vitiotsiy of the effect alway suppose a vitiosity in the cause though it alway pre-supposeth an imperfection in the cause and where the cause it self is vitious its vitiosity is not the cause of the vitiosity of the effect for vitiosity of it self neither can effect nor be effected but the vitious cause taking together the being and the supervenient privation is the cause of the vitious effect taking it in like manner for the beeing and the superadded privation But if we contradict him we must say that God damns men for nothing Anselm in the place I before referred my Reader to makes this objection and laugheth at its weaknesse De Con. vir c. 6. Quidam cum audiunt peccatum nihil esse solent dicere si peccatum nihil est cur punit Deus hominem pro peccato cum pro nihilo puniri nemo debeat quibus quamvis humilis sit quaestio tamen quia quod quaerunt ignorant aliquid respondendum est What doth hee mean when he saith that God then must punish men for nothing If he meane that God would punish men because they have not that in their faculties habits actions which should be in them what absurdity is there in that Is not the punishment just except it be for positive entities How many men have been imprisoned for not paying summes of money which they did owe Yea I beleeve Mr. P. could well enough bear my being punished for not paying him his Arrears which he vainly enough fancyeth to bee due to him and yet non-payment cannot be accounted a positive entity nor doth Mr. P. know how to place it in any predicament of Beeings Siu is a punishment but punishment is a positive entity erg There is a punishment of losse which scarce ever any man said was positive There is a punishment of sense and this we say is no other way an evil or a punishment unto us than as it doth deprive us of some perfection of which we are capable The punishment of sense may be said to be positive as to its foundation not in its formality that is it is not positive if wee consider that in which the very evill of that punishment formally consists As to the rest of his Arguments they are partly such as I have met with before and partly such as others upon whose expressions they are grounded are more concerned in than my selfe When Mr. P. will undertake to vindicate every expression that hath been used in the managing of these controversies by men of his opinion then may I perhaps sense some kind of obligation to try whether I can justifie every thing that hath fell from Mr. W. and Mr. B. in the mean time they are of age let them speak for themselves if they count it needfull if they count it not needfull why should I spend labour about that ●n the doing of which I cannot take any great pleasure and for the doing of which ●hey will con me no great thanks This I ●annot but observe that though none durst undertake Dr. Twisse in the Arminian Con●roversies whilest he was alive yet since his death every puny will be nibling at him upon all occasions which puts me in minde of that paltry fellow in Pausanias who being never able to get the mastery in his life time of one Theagenes a famous Wrestler came many a night after hee was dead and scourged his Statue which was erected in the honour of him Paus in Attic. If Mr. T. P. or Mr. I. G. doe verily believe Dr. Twisse to be an enemy of that Divine grace which he pretends to have maintained let them follow him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as he did those with whom hee tooke occasion to deale and when they shall have so done Mr. Jeanes a person of a very scholastical head will not long let them be without an answer And so I leave my Combatant resolving if it may be never more to come so near him till I am told by others that his breath smels sweeter Upon the review of my book J cannot but recal what I have often read from Gilbertus Cognatus of a man with an ulcer in his face who passing over a Bridge where the passengers were to pay a certaine piece of mony for every malady of body found upon them was required to pay the accustomed tribute for the ulcer in his face but hee refusing to pay it the Officer pulls off his
by every one of those 7. writers that undertook the answer to Mr. Mountagues appeal yet they never thought it incumbent upon them to alter their minds Mr. Mountague saith both in his Gag appeale that our Church hath left this undecided and in the conference at Hampton-Court I find Dr. Reynolds moving that the words totally and finally might be added for explication of the Article and that the Lambeth Articles might be in serted The King then unacquainted with the Lambeth Articles thought not meet to put them in But liked it well enough in his Clergy of Ireland that they took them into their confession Dr. Overall said something touching an opinion of his about which he had been questioned by some but concluded that the elect do never fall away totally or finally The Bishop of London said he knew there were some that did make an ill use of the decrees But had before the conference agreed to the Lambeth Articles and after the conference when he was Archb. his Chaplain with his good liking and approbation published the exposition and Analysis of our Articles in which he gives the Calvinist as fair quarter as could be wished And now I would faing know why I am sent to the conference at Hampton-Court Mr. Hooker had I warrant you read Artic. Homilies forme of Baptism and seeing he could scarce tell how to speak not judiciously we will consult him the rather because it seems this Author was by the late King commended to his Children as an antidote against the poison of Popery Disc of justifi p. 506. As Christ beeing raised from the dead dyeth no more death hath no more power over him So the justified man beeing allyed to God in Iesus Christ our Lord doth as necessarily from that time forward allwayes live as Christ by whom he hath life liveth allway I might if I had not other where largely done it allready shew by many and sundry manifest and cleer proofs how the motions and operations of this life are sometimes so in discerneable and so secret that they seem stone dead who are notwithstanding still alive unto God in Christ For as long as that abideth in us which animateth quickeneth and giveth life so long we live and we know that the cause of our faith abideth in us for ever If Christ the Fountain of life may flit and leave the habitation where once he dwelleth what shall become of his promise I am with you to the end of the World If the seed of God which containeth Christ may be first conceived then cast out how doth St. Peter terme it immortall How doth St. John affirme it abideth If the Spirit which is given to cherish and preserve the seed of life may be given and taken away how is it the earnest of our in heritance untill redemption Anno 1625. one Mr. Damport did answer on this Question An renati possint totaliter finaliter excidere à gratiâ His opponent one Mr. Palmer of Lincolne Colledge urged out of Mr. Mountagues appeal the Article of our Church the Homilies the book of Common prayer the Dr. of the Chair handled the Appellator shrewdly saying he was Merus Grammaticus a fellow that studied Phrases more than Matter that he understood neither the Articles nor the Homilies or at least perverted both And what thinkes Mr. P. of the University of Oxon did not shee know the opinions of the Church of England or would she countenance any thing that had so much as the appearance of contrariety to our Church How came it then to passe that her congregations appointed questions to be disputed of at the publick acts in which are the greatest confluence of the of Sons of Levi. That proceeders maintained in a Calvinistical way How many are now alive that can remember this Question an ex Doctrina reformatorū sequatur Deū esse autorē peccati held Neg. And maintained to the satisfaction of the hearers the Arminian Doctors mean while shewing themselves rather angry than able opponents Let any one who questioneth the truth of what I now say consult the Act Papers that are printed as often as those Academical solemnities are celebrated What should I say more we know when Arminianisme began under whose wings it was sheltered viz. the D. of Buck. and Bishop Laud of whom the first had so much of an Herod in him as would not have suffered him so long to continue friendship with the latter if he had not had too little of a St. Ioh. Baptist whilest they did rule not before nor since passages in books against Arminianisme were blotted out reflections in Sermons upon Remonstrants were disliked by Bishop Lauds meanes Dr. Downhams book against the Totall finall Apostasy of the saints from grace was called in in his dayes Mr. Ford of Mag. H. Mr. Thorn of Baliol Mr. Hodges of Exeter were censured but let it be observed that the ground of the Censure was not their having preached any thing contrary to the Doctrine of the Church which is the forme of the censure possed upon Arminians by the ancient Protestants but onely their going against the Kings Declaration which determined nothing but onely injoyned silence in these points Now I hope the Church did not live and dye with B. and C. Nay their flourishing was the decaying and languishing of Church and State too nor could either body vell recover but by spewing out such evill instruments Obj. The Church of England is for universal redemption the Calvinists that are Antiarminian are against it Ans Mr. P. indeed is hugely confident that it we grant him universall redemption the cause is yeelded to him But I am all most as confident that to grant him universall redemption is to grant him just nothing at all for what though Christ did so far die for all as to procure a salvation for all upon the conditions of faith and repentance what 's this to the absolutenesse of Gods decrees or to the insuperability of converting grace or to the certain infallible perseverance of Gods elect after conversion King Iames understood these controversies far better then either Mr. P. or I. and yet he even at that very time when he sent his Divines to the Synod of Dort to determine against the Arminianisme that was then growing in the Low Countries gave it them in charge not to deny that Christ died for all as I my self was told by Bishop Vsher the first time I had the happinesse to have any personall discourse with him who also further then told me that he gave in his own judgement to Dr. Davenant for universall redemption but withall added that there were a certaine number upon whom God absolutely purposed to bestow his Spirit taking away the heart of stone and giving them an heart of flesh and we know that Dr. Davenant in that very dissertation in which one conclusion is Mors sive passio Christi ut universalis causa salutis humanae deum patrem