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A01292 A parallele or conference of the ciuill law, the canon law, and the common law of this realme of England VVherein the agreement and disagreement of these three lawes, and the causes and reasons of the said agreement and disagreement, are opened and discussed. Digested in sundry dialogues by William Fulbecke. At the end of these dialogues is annexed a table of the sections ...; Parallele or conference of the civill law, the canon law, and the common law of this realme of England. Part 1 Fulbeck, William, 1560-1603? 1601 (1601) STC 11415; ESTC S102689 180,892 262

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helde by before of the Manor for the Queenes acte may not preiudice her tenant f 29. H. 8. Br. Ca. 113. but where a man holdeth of the Q. by reason of an other thing as namely by reason of a Manour this is no tenure in Capite g 3. Eliz. Com̄ 241. Wilgous case but if the King be seised of a Manour and giueth to a straunger an acre of the Manour to haue and to hold to him and to his heires of his body engendred without expressing any seruice the donee shall hold of the king by knights seruice in Capite h Ibid 240. per Car. and tenures likewise may be to hold of one as of his person or of his Manor by diuerse other seruices as if a man had made a feoffement of land before the statute or a gift in taile sithence the statute to holde of him by the making of a bridge ouer certaine land or by making a beacon in the lande giuen this is a good tenure for a man may holde of an other by doing seruice for a common good as well as for the priuate profit of the Lord as to repaire a bridge or a high way or by keeping such a Castle for the Lorde himselfe in this hath profit with others i 11. H. 7. 12. 12. H. 7. 18. p Finch 24. H. 8. Br. Cas 51. Nomom You haue taken some paines Anglonomoph 7. Diuision 1 Whether one within age be compellable by law to do all maner of seruice either by himselfe or some other in discribing the particuler kindes of tenures now I would here somewhat of Codicgn whether one within age be excused from personal seruice because his age is not fit to serue so that the seruiceage is suspēded vntil the maturity of his age or whether he shal be compelled to do his seruice by a substitute Codicgn To dissolue that question a difference is to be taken for either the Father of the heire which is within age died in the warlike seruice 2 A diuersitie in the Ciuill law whether the father of such an infant dyed in a iust warre or at home in his bedde vndertaken for the defence of his Lorde in a iust warre I meane that which is waged for the safetie of the common weale or els he dyed in his house by humane infirmitie without any bearing of armes in the first case he is not bound to doe any seruice either in his owne person or by any other person interposed during his minoritie because his father who died in the field is supposed in Lawe still to serue by the glorie of his valor k Instit de Excus tutor §. sed si in bello ff ad leg Aqu. l. qua actione §. si quis in colluctatione which the best and most learned of all Poets did well imagine who when he had placed Caesar in the middest of extreme troubles to comforte and encourage him representeth vnto him the ghost of Scaeua one that dyed a good while before but yet after many assaults and many woūds stoode out as a Conqueror l Lucan li. 10. which conceite of Lucan Tasso a moderne Italian writer a man of an excellent poeticall witte in the discriptyon of Guidoes funerall doth passionatelye though Popishely glaunce at m S. Torquat Tasso Canto 4. Gierusal liberat but if the father died not in warre nor in the expedition but by naturall death in his owne house then if the heire at the death of his Father bee in his pupillage he must perfourme that seruice by a substitute Anglonomoph But by our Lawe he shall be in 3 That by the common law the infant shal be in warde if his father died seised of land helde by knights seruice without any such diuersitie warde to the Lorde during his minoritie if hee holde his landes by Knightes seruice and the Lorde shall haue the profits of his lande that he may maintaine a sufficient man to doe him seruice in the warre whereas the heire by reason of his tender age cannot personally performe the seruice nor by the want of discretion prouide a conuenient person to accomplishe it n Litt ' lib. 2. c. c 4. sect ' 3. but if he be made a Knight within age then because the Lawe intendeth that he is fit to doe his seruice because knighthoode is bestowed in regarde of precedent merite or of some eminent prowesse and towardnes as may appeare by that saying of Scipio in the Senate ab annis septemdecim ad senectutem semper vos aetatem meam honoribus vestris anteistis ego vestros honores rebus gerendis precessi o Liuius li. 38. the Law is otherwise But 2. Ed. 6. in the case of Sir Anthony Browne of Surrey vicount Mountegue a difference was taken where the tenant by 4 A diuersitie in the commō law where the heire of the tenāt by knights seruice is within age and a knight at the time of his fathers death where not Knights seruice dieth seised his heire being within age and a Knight at the time of his death and when after his death he is made Knight during his minoritie for in the former case it was helde that he should be in warde notwithstanding his knighthoode p 2. E. 6. Br. Gard 42. 72. For otherwise the auncestor may procure his sonne within age to be made knight by collusion to the intent to defraude the Lord of his warde but this seemeth to be but a weake reason because knighthood is not by intendement of the law graunted vpon so sleight a cause but it seemeth to Master Brooke where the heire is in ward and is made knight being in warde this shall free him from wardship for the statute of Magna Chartaca 3. Postquam heres fuerit in custodia cum ad aetatem peruenerit scil 21. annorum habeat heredit atem suam sine releuio sine fine ita tamen quod si ipse dum infra aetatem fuerit fiat miles nihilominus terra sua remaneat in custodia dominorum vsque ad terminum supradictum this saieth q Br. ibid. Master Brooke verie probaly guyding his opinion by the premisses is onely to be intended where the heire is made Knight within age being in warde after the death of his auncestour and not where he is made knight in the life of the auncestour but admitte this to be meant of such an heire onely yet by no consequence can a man inferre hereof that if an heire within age bee made knight in his fathers life time he shal be in warde after the death of his father nay there is good authoritie for the contrarie r 6. Elizab. Comm̄ 268. Nomomat Let mee knowe I pray you what 8. Diuision penalties lye vpon the tenant if hee doe not his seruice Codicgn By our Lawe the vassalle is depriued 1 What penalties lye vpnon the tenant if he do not his seruice of his
land it selfe 2. That by the ciuill lawe a man may grant and demise the vse of a thing and yet not grant the thing it selfe The 6. Diuision 1. When a man selleth land wherein treasure is hidden and the vendor knoweth not of it whether the vendee shall haue the treasure 2. How this word treasure is taken in the ciuill lawe 3. That by the ciuill law money and other things necessarie to the common vse of this life are forbidden to be hidden and buried in the ground 4. Plato his superstitious opinion of things hidden in the earth 5. How the ciuill lawe doth order and dispose of treasure 6. What the common lawe doth determine of treasure The diuisions and principall contents of the fourth Dialogue of seignories and seruices The first Diuision 1. THe description of a seignorie by the ciuill lawe 2. By the Canon law 3. Likewise by the common law The 2. Diuision 1. What homage is and how it is to be performed by the common law 2. That homage hath beene practised in ancient time The 3. Diuision 1. What a Manor is and whereof it consisteth 2. The originall of a Manor The 4. Diuision 1. Statutes made for the preseruation of seignories and Manors The 5. Diuision 1. Fealtie is the most generall seruice in the common law 2. In the ciuill law 3. That by the ciuill law the common law and the Canon law a religious man ought to do fealtie The 6. Diuision 1. The diuerse kinds of seruices in the ciuill law and their definitions 2. The diuers kinds of seruices in the common lawe and their definitions 3. The originall of villenage and the nature thereof 4. The tenure whereby a man holdeth of an honour or manor is described and by examples illustrated 5. Certaine honours which be not of the ancientnes of the Crowne 6. Some honours which be annexed to the Crowne The 7. Diuision 1. Whether one within age be compellable by lawe to doe all manner of seruice either by himselfe or some other 2. A diuersitie in the Ciuill lawe whether the father of such an infant died in a iust warre or at home in his bed 3. That by the Common lawe the infant shall be in warde if his father died seised of lande held by Knights seruice without anie such diuersitie 4. A diuersitie in the Common lawe where the heire of the tenaunt by Knightes seruice is within age and a Knight at the time of his fathers death and where not The 8. Diuision 1. What penalties lie vpon the tenaunt if he doe not his seruice 2. Many causes of the tenaunts forfeiture in the Ciuill law 3. Some causes of forfeiture by the Common lawe The 9. Diuision 1. Whether when the tenaunt hath committed felonie or treason and is attainted he shall suffer any preiudice in his tenauncie 2. A diuersitie in the Ciuill lawe where the offence is committed against the person of the lord and where against the person of a straunger 3. That by the Common lawe by the attainder of felonie or treason the bloud is corrupted and in the one case the land shal eschet to the King in the other to the immediate Lord. 4. The aforesaid determinations and conclusions of Ciuill and Common lawe touching the forfeiture of the offendorare examined by the law of God The Diuisions and Principall contents of the fifth Dialogue of iointenauncie and tenauncie in common The first Diuision 1. THat iointenaunts and tenauntes in common ought to haue equall profit 2. That by the Common lawe a writ of account will lie if one iointenaunt take all the profits The 2. Diuision 1. That iointenauncie is dissolued by death vnlesse there be some clause in the creation of the estate to the contrarie The 3. Diuision 1. That by the Ciuill lawe by the ioint gift of all the goods of a man all corporall things passe 2. That by the Common lawe if a man deuise the third part of his goods to his wife it shall so be rated as they were at the time of the death of the testator That the Queene may graunt a thing in action The 4. Diuision 1. That iointenauncie by the Ciuill lawe may be of all such things as lie in contract 2. That the limitation of tenauncie in common is by the partie but the construction of it by the lawe The 5. Diuision 1. That an assignee of a moitie in the Ciuill law is bound by the couenant of his grauntor 2. That by the Common lawe in such case the assignee is bound by the couenant The Diuisions and principall contents of the sixth Dialogue of exchaunges The first Diuision 1. THat by the Ciuill lawe contractes for a certaine price are not exchaunges 2. That by the Common lawe the word excambium must be vsed in the exchaunge 3. That the estates must be equall 4. That the things exchaunged must be in esse 5. That an exchaunge is good though one part of it doe inure by way of extinguishment The 2. Diuision 1. That the incumbents may not exchaunge their benefices by the Cannon lawe 2. That the Chapiter may warrant permutations sede vacante in such benefices wherein they haue interest or authoritie 3. That by the Common law ecclesiasticall persons their patrons and ordinaries ioining together cannot make anie good exchaunge of ecclesiasticall benefices 4. That the statute of mortmaine is most strict and pregnant in words The Diuisions and principall contents of the seuenth Dialogue of Deuises and Legacies The first Diuision 1. THe antiquitie of willes 2. Plato his exception against Solons law concerning willes 3. Solons lawe is maintained and defended against Plato The 2. Diuision 1. Such as be vncapable of inheritaunces and goods may not be deuisees heires or executors by the ciuill lawe 2. A difference in the ciuill law betwixt the making of a deuisee and the making of an executor 3. That by the Common lawe all persons to whom a grant may be made a deuise may be made vnlesse it otherwise happen in some fewe cases 4. That the deuisee must be a person capaple of the thing deuised 5. That by the common lawe the deuisee ought to be capable at the time of the death of the deuisor The 3. Diuision 1. That by the ciuill lawe all such things may be deuised as the testator hath in his owne right at the time of the deuise 2. The three degrees of a testament by the common lawe 3. A difference in the common lawe where a man deuiseth a thing whereof he is not seised particularly and by name and where not 4. That thinges which are not in esse at the time of the deuise made may be deuised 5. That the deuise of tenaunt for life or tenaunt in dower of the corne growing at the time of their death is good 6. That when the partie hath a certaine and lawfull interest in a thing ●e may lease it grant it or deuise it before the existence of it 7. That a deuise may
that the deuisee be capable at the time of the death of the testator so it is likewise by our law for though a man may not graunt nor giue lands to his wife during the couerture because they both are but one persō in law yet by custome heretofore which the Cōmon law did fauour and now by statute he might or may deuise his lands to his wife to haue in fee simple or otherwise because such deuise taketh not effect till the death of the deuisor p Littl. lib. 2. c. 10. Sect. 8. 27. Assis pl. 60. and then they are not one person q 24. H. 8. Br. Deuis 34. Nomom Now let me know what things may 3. Diuision be deuised Codicgn Whatsoeuer things the testator hath 1. That by the Ciuill law all such things may bee deuised as the testator hath in his owne right at the time of the deuise as in his owne right r ff de legat 2. l. vinum §. si rē tuam if he happen to deuise a thing which is not his owne but an other mās the executor is by our Lawe compelable to buy it and to giue it to the deuisee by vertue of the will or if the owner will not sell it hee ought to pay the very value and full estimation of it to the deuisee ſ ff de legat 3. l. dubium §. vlti and if lande bee bought by the deuisor for which he hath not payed any monie or not all the monie if he died and the deuisee will haue the land hee must pay the monie and so enioy the land t L. 39. §. Idē Iulianus de legat 1. but if the deuisor haue solde lande and hath not receiued the monie and he deuiseth the lande so solde to I. S. the deuisee in this case shall not haue the lande solde but the monie that is to bee payed for it for an argument is rightly drawne ab augmento ad diminutionem u L. si ex toto eo tit so that this conclusion may bee made is the thing bought due to the deuisee then the deuisee ought to pay the monie is the thing not solde not due to the deuisee then hee must haue the monie that is to bee payed for it Anglonomoph In our Lawe the making of a testament 2. The three degrees of a testament by the Common law hath three partes Inception which is the writing of the testament Progression which is the publication of it Consummation which is the death of the partie and when after the deuise the deuisor purchaseth other lands it cānot 3. A differē o● in the Cōmon law where a man deuiseth a thing wherof he is not seised particularly and by name and where not be intended by any possibilitie that hee would haue them to passe by the deuise for there is nothing conteined in the will which doth purport such intent but it was held in Brettes case that if a man deuise land in certaintie as the mannor of Dale or white acre and he hath no interest nor possession in them at the time of the making of the will and after the doth purchase it in such case it shall passe to the deuisee for then it shall be taken that his intent was to purchase it as it is said 39. Henr. 6. 13. and it was likewise sayd that the statutes of 32. and 34. Henr. 8. required that the deuisors should bee seised of the land deuised at the time of the deuise for the words be Euerie person hauing or which after this acte shall haue c. a 10. Eli. Com̄ Brets case per Louel touts les Iust Nomom I pray you let me know more particularly what things may be deuised Codicgn A thing may be deuised which is not 4 That things which are not in esse at the time of the deuise made may be deuised in rerum natura at the time of the deuise if afterwarde it may be as the corne which shall grow in such a soyle or the lambes which shall come of his flocke of sheepe in such a field b Instit de legat §. ea quoque res ff de legat 1. l. quod in rerum but if the testator doe deuise tenne quarter of corne comming of the corne which shall growe in such a soyle or two tunnes of wine of his grapes in such a vineyard or tenne lambes of such a flock though so much corne or wine or so many lābes doe not arise of the thinges abouesaid yet the heire or executor is compellable by law to make them good integraliter because he may seeme to haue mencioned the soile the vineyard and the flocke rather by way of demonstration then by way of condition c l. quid testamento in prin ff de leg 1. l. Paulo Callimacho §. Iullanus Seuerus ff de legat 3. l. Lucius ff de alim leg but if the testator doe deuise certaine goods or a certaine summe of money to I. S. and in his life time after recouerie of his health he giueth the goods or payeth the money to the said I. S. now without any alteration of the deuise in the will the executors shall bee discharged of perfourming the deuise after the death of the testator d l. Lucius Titius in testamento in prin ff de legat 2. gl in Clem. dudum de Sepultur Angonomoph It is said in our bookes that if a 5 That the deuise of tenāt for terme of life or tenant i● dower of corne growing at the time of their death is good man which hath estate for life or tenaunt in dower doe deuise their corne growing vpon the lande at the time of their death this is a good deuise and hee in the reuersion shall not haue the Corne e 4 H. 3. Deuis 26. But if a man seised of lande in fee as in right of his w●fe doe lease the same land for yeares to a straunger and the lessee soweth the lande and after the woman dyeth the corne being not ripe in this case the lessee may deuise the corne growing vppon the lande and yet this estate is determined and it was certaine but a thing non-certaine was the cause of the determination of it f 7. E. 3. 67. 7. E. 4. 17. Park 99. sect 513. 10. E. 3. 29. And if a man bee seysed of lande in the right of his wife and sowe it ad deuiseth the corne growing vpon the lande and dyeth before it bee seuered the deuisee shall haue it and not the wife but otherwise it is of hearbes or meadowe growing vpon the lande and not seuered at the time of the death of the deuisour g 7. Ass pl. 16. And if tenaunt in taile of lande lease the lande for life and the lessee soweth the lande with Corne and the tenaunt in tayle dyeth and the issue recouereth in a Formedon in discender before the
legat 3. And if a house be deuised the Bathe belonging to the house and the orcharde also which belongeth to it doe passe if from the house there be a way to the Bathe or orcharde for then they may well be sayd to belong to the house and to be prouided for the benefit of the inhabitant l l. praedijs in §. balneas §. qui domum ff de legat 3. and if a man do by his last wil deuise land liue many daies after the testament made 2 That a mine of coale passeth with the land if it be iointly vsed with it otherwise it is if it be seuerally vsed and in his life time a myne of coale lead or tinne is opened and discouered in the soile then the testator dieth after that hee hath vsed the myne iointly with the land in this case the deuisee shal haue the mine but if he had demised for life or for yeres the mine to one and the land to an other so that they had beene seuered and disioined in particuler interest then the deuisee should not haue had the mine m l. cū fundus nominatim ff de legat 2. but if the Testator deuise all his corne which he hath in such a barne and the deuisee being one of his housholde seruants of purpose bringeth a greater quantitie of corne into the barne the deuisee shall not haue this increase because it grewe by the fraude of the deuisee n cum ita legatur in princ ff de legat 2. Anglonomoph As to your two last cases deuises as I haue said before are so to be fauoured as dower and I thinke that if a man doe marrie a wife and die seised of lande and after his death a mine of coale is discouered in the ground and 3 That a woman shall be endowed of a mine of coale discouered after her husbands death then the woman bringeth a writ of dower she shal haue her dower as well of the mine being parcell of the lande as of the lande it selfe being the principal o 14. E. 3. Admeasurement 10. 13. E. 1. Itin North. 17. Fitz. na br 149. C. and as to your other case where the corne in such a barne is deuised and it is afterward increased the deuisee shall haue no more corne then was in the barne at the time of the deuise for it is as much as if he should haue said al the corne which he now hath in his barn for words of the present tense which hath a present beginning and ending may not be drawne either to a time past which hath had his beginning and 4 That words of the present tense in a deuise may not be extended to the future tense end or to a time future which hath neither beginning nor end and therfore if a man be bound to keepe the prisoners of the gaole of D. that they shall not escape this shall extende onely to the prisoners which are in the Gaole at the time of the making of the bonde and not to such which shall be afterwarde in the Gaole vnlesse it had beene expresly said which be or shall be in the Gaole p 21. H. 7. 37. and so if the Queene graunt to me visum franciplegij in omnibus terris meis feodis I shall not haue viewe of frankepledge in any landes but such as I haue at the time of the graunt q 38. H. 6. 10. so if a man be bound for the tenants of I. S. it shall be intended of these tenants onely which I. S. hath at the time of the obligation made r 39. H. 6. 6. and if a man graunt to another housewood and hedge-wood to be burnt in his houses in Dale this shal not extend to houses which are afterward built ſ Temps E. 1. Common 28. and though Wilbyes opinion be that if a man grāt to another a way ouer his land with waines and the grauntee hath no freeholde at the time to which he may haue caryage yet if he purchase freehold afterward he may haue a way to it and Hankeford seemeth to be of this opinion 11. H. 4. t 21. E. 3. 2. per Wilby 11. H. 4 82. per Hank because in a generall graunt there needeth to be no naming of a certaine freehold yet in that very case dubito quid sit lex Nomomat Admitte that a man deuise the profittes of his lande for fiue yeres to I. S. the deuisee dyeth within two yeres next after the deuise then the deuisour dyeth whether shall the residue of the terme goe to the benefit of the executor 1 That by the ciuil law if the deuisee of a terme die before the deuisor the executor shal haue the terme or administrator of the deuisee Codicgn We haue expresse authoritie in our Law that it shall a l. vxori v●ufru §. quaesitū ff de v●ufru le Angonomoph Brettes case which is very famous in our law is to the cōtrary aa 10. Eliz. 46. Com̄ Brets case but if a man deuise 2 By the common law a diuersity is taken where the deuisee dieth in the life of the deuisor and where after his death but before the legacy executed xx li. to be paied yerely in 4. yeres after his death to I. S. and died and after the deuisee dyeth within foure yeres yet the executours of the deuisee shal haue the money or the residue of it by suite before the Ordinary in the spiritual Court for it is a duetie by the testament or deuise b 24. H. 8. Br. Deuise 27. 45. Condic ' 187. and an administrator may as well sue for that duety in the spiritual Court as he may haue a writte of Couenant at the common law vpon the couenāt made with the partie intestate c Fitz. na br 146. D. 2. Mar. 112. Dy. Nomom What if the testator do say I deuise such 10. Diuision a thing to God or to Christ what is wrought by this deuise Cononol The thing so deuised is due to the 1 That by the ciuil law when a thing is deuised to God or to Christ it shall goe to the Church of the parishe where the Testator dwelt Church of the parish where the testator did dwel at the time of the deuise d Authent de ecclesiast ' tit̄ §. si quis in nomine argu l. quae cōditio §. sin ff de cond de monstr Anglonomoph In auncient times such deuises were good and so was a fine leuied deo ecclesiae but the lawe is now altered e Scir faci 18. E. 4. 22. 19. E. 4. 2. 4. 7. per Pigot en le cas de Prior de Merton and in the one and twenteth yere of king Richarde the second a deuise of lande was made to one for life the remainder to an other for life the remainder to the Churche of S. Andrew in Holborne and this was adiudged
homicide principall offendors for al that be present ayding abetting or comforting him that doth murder are principal offēdors though they giue no stroke for the stroke of him that smiteth woundeth is the wounding and striking of all the others in law a 4. H. 7. 18. Comm. 100. 3. E. 3. Coro 309 13. H. 7. 10. therfore they which come in the assemblie or companie of others into any place where any euil is done be it homicide robbery or any other misdemenor shal be held principal offendors though they stād apart do nothing b 2. E. 3. Inditem 22. Stamf. 40. ●ōm 475. 3. E. 3 Cor. 314 350. but in these cases it is necessary that they be confederate in the fact for if they be not cōfederate they shall be punished by fine and no otherwise c 8. E. 2. Cor. 395. 293. but if they leuie hue crie stretch out their handes to take the offendors they shall not be fined d Stamf. 40. and he which is within age shall not be fined in such case e 14. H. 7. 31. Nomom I pray ye shew me whether they that 3. Diuision kill men by witchcraft or make their bodies to languish and consume away are punishable by death in your Law for some be of opinion that there be no witches Codicgn They may as wel thinke that there be 1. Homicide by witchcraft is described no diuels surely Europe is too ful of such wicked wretches which either by magicall artes calling vp damned spirites or corrupting the elements which God hath made for the vse of this life do worke the destructiō of many innocēt persons or els by acquainting thēselfes with familiar diuels do effect the like mischiefe their iudgmēt in 2. The punishment of witches and magicians by the Ciuill law our law because they are such strāgers to nature is quòd feralis bestia eos absumat f l. multi C. de malefic mathem such as by Images of waxe inchaunted do cause the death of any mā if they be cōuicted do cōfesse the fault they are punished as is before said but if they wil not cōfesse their flesh is torne frō the bone with nailes with hookes g l. si excepta § si quis C. de malefic not onely witches but 3. They that haue asked counsaile of witches haue bene in auncient time punished euen such as haue asked counsaile of witches for the remedie of diseases haue bene in former times punished For Ammianus reporteth that in the time of the sonnes of Constantine the other Emperors which next succeeded thē if any man did weare about his neck any thing as a remedy of the feuer quartaine or any other infirmity he was punished capitally as accessarie to witchcraft h Ammian Marcellin lib. 19. he telleth in an other place that a certain simple old womā because shee was wonte to cure feuers by a kinde of inchātment was put to death as guilty of witchcraft and a yong mā in the bath putting his hands sometime to a marble stone and sometime to his brest and rehearsing withall certaine letters of the Alphabet imagining this to be a good remedy against the payne of the stomache was put to death by the sword i Ammian lib. 29. Nomom The Romanes it seemeth were in this strāgely opinionated for the Graeciās others did approoue such medicines Pericles did hold that diseases might be cured by hanging certaine written bookes about the necke of the diseased k Plutar. in Pe●ic And Bion the Atheist was of the same opiniō l Diogen Laert in vit B●on the Indians as Strabo testifieth do accōpt this the onely Phisicke m Strabo lib. 15. and Vallesius reporteth that charmes haue bene called remedies of Cato Varro Theophrastus Serenus Trallianus and of many Physitions of Italie Greece and Arabia n Valles lib. de sa philos And Vlpian sheweth that many haue affirmed vnto him that such charmes inchantments haue done thē good o l. 1. §. Medicos ff de extr cogn and we know that there was a kind of exorcisme 4. An obiectiō is made of exorcisme vsed in the church and we know that there was a kind of exorcisme or coniuration vsed in the Church whereby the diuels were restreined from doing hurte vnto men p l. 6. C. de Ep cler Alciat lib. 2. parerg c. 23. and Iosephus saith that this was Salomons inuention q Ioseph lib. 8. antiquit wherefore me thinkes they that vse such things or worke any good effect by such things should in no sort be punished For as Apuleius saith Nihil quod salutis causa fit criminosum est r Apulei apolog 1. Canonolog It may be that Codicgnostes had rather beleeue the cēsures of Romane magistrates in matters of Iustice then the opinions of Romane and Graecian Philosophers in table talke and common speech I know by good authority these thinges are condemned and therefore it is said of such men and their medicines in the Canon Quae alij scelera isti remedia nominant ſ c. Illud quod 26. q. 2. And Tacitus clearely affirmeth that such things medicorum disciplina condemnat t Tacit. lib. 1. histor And Plutarch calleth such practises Insanias u Plutarch in pericl and if Lucian be of any authoritie with you he saith Per verbula incantationes sanitatem operari non credo x Lucian in Philopseud Plinie likewise speketh to the same purpose in these words Maximae quaestionis semper incertae est valeantur aliquid verba incantamenta carminum in medendo sed viritim sapientissimi cuiusque respuit fides a Plini lib. 28. c. 2. As for these exorcismes heretofore vsed in the Church Bodinus teacheth that the Prophets neuer vsed in their times any such matter b Bodin lib. 3. daemon and he 5. Answere is made to the aforesaid obiection according to the opinion of Bodmus saith further that the primitiue Church neuer vsed them and he disalloweth the testimonie of Iosephus and disprooueth it in this point but sithence the matter is so doubtfull I do not thinke that the law-maker ought to punishe the vsing and applying of charmes or such things which are for that purpose hanged about the necke of the sicke bodie if they be innocently done and without mixture of magicke or euill arte with death but it principally apperteineth to diuines and preachers to extirpate such superstitions out of the hearts of men and to teach them that it is irreligious and against the glorie of God to goe for remedie to such dumbe thinges and not to God himselfe and that false is that saying of Apuleius Nihil quod salutis causa fit criminosum est for there is nothing subiect to the vse of man so good but it may be abused yet surelie