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A15057	An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English	Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections.	1606 (1606)	STC 25360; ESTC S119870	383,859	364

gainsay that this Denys cannot be the partie you report him to be You then haue no reason to be angrie with Luther or Caussaeus if they handled this a DVR You say that Deny● is counterfeite but proue it by no reason But Origen Nazianzene Zoph●ine Archbishop of Hierusalem Damascene Nicephorus Euthemius Dionysius Archbishop of Alexa●dria acknowledge his bookes him to haue been a disciple of S. Paul WHIT. pag. 357. But I say that Antiquitie was altogether ignorant of his bookes which could not be if they bad been written of Denys Arc●pagita for Eus●biu diligently searching out and setting downe all auncient writers and all th●●r bookes and Epistles which they writ mentioneth not ●im nor his workes neither doe any 〈◊〉 the Greeke and Latin Fathers speake of him But who can thinke that the bookes of a disciple of Saint Paul should be vnknowne and not highly esteemed● of all in those daies Besides he citeth the Epistles of Ig●●tius as also the Gospell and Reuelation of S. Iohn which must needs be written diuers yeares after the death of Denys Ar●●pagita hee writeth an Epistle to Polycarpus and calleth him a ruler of the Church when at his detah Polycarpus must needs be very yong for Denys was slaine Anno Dom 96. Polycarpe died 1●6 being but 86. yeares of age he calleth Timothy his sonne who was conuerted before euer that Ar●●pagita vvas he acknowledgeth that his maisters had their learning from the Apostles doth he not thereby deny himselfe S. Paules scholer finally the Church Hierarchie and all the names of the officers reckoned vp by him were neuer knowne in the Apostles time For your authors they are all new and late writers but two The first Origen whom Erasmus denieth Annot. in Act. 17. once to haue made m●otion of him in all his writings neither euer doth Nazianzene counterfeit somewhat roughly and censured him freely Where you say Caluin and the writers of the Centuries were offended with Ignatius Ignatius I confesse they had iust cause of offence If heretikes alleaged him to bee a patron of a wicked and detestable opinion Caluin might with reason and discretion reiect him how aptly and truly he was by them alleaged I cannot tell let them look to it Howsoeuer it be the truth ought not by his authoritie to be borne downe whose credit is little if any at all you are not ignorant what the iudgement of all the learned is those Epistles of Ignatius Eusebius indeed makes mention of some of his Epistles and Hierome of others but now many more goe vnder his name which they haue not mentioned Hierome b DVR If diuers of those things there cited out of him bee not to bee found hovv follovveth it that those works of his vvhich are extant bee forged and noue of his WHIT. pag. 360. From thence verely it will follow that his works are not perfect yea many things are found in his Epistles which are incredible to haue been taught in those daies as the strict keeping of Lent and fasting vpon the Sabbath daies yea it was but latelie that these Epistles were printed and published and so of the lesse credit and authority also reports a saying of his Hier●n Dial. 3. con Pel. Theod. Dial. 3. and Theodoret another which are not found in those Epistles which are caried about what would you haue more Gratian himselfe fauours not ouermuch this your Ignatius You see then of how obscure suspected and vncertaine reputation are these two which you place in the forefront of your armie You are offended that the Censors as you call them vpbraide Irenaeus as in some thing fantasticall We vse not to speake reprochfully of Irenaus whom we confesse to haue been both holy and learned but what is this to the purpose If Iraneus haue written something foolishly must be therefore by and by be wholy yours And if some where we haue noted his opinion as not true and sound doe we therefore reiect all his works Is this your manner of disputing Campian is this your skirmishing are you of opinion that neuer any word passed from Irenaeus vnaduisedly or which might iustly be tearmed vnreasonable Then tell c DVR You that acknovveledge and admit nothing but the Scriptures can by no argument confute this err●r WHIT. p. 362. What may worse beseeme a liuine then thus to speake What thinke you of these places Christ when he began to preach the Gospell was about thirtie yeares of age Luke 3.23 After his Baptisme Iohn maketh mention of three Pasleouers and that in the third he was put to death Is not the time then very plainely set downe and indeede what can be more plaine and casie Hence we may obserue that the Fathers haue plainely erred where you would hardly beleeue any man could erre me Campian Lib. 2. cap. 39.40 how Christ preached onely one yeare yet was baptized the thirtieth yeare of his age and died the fiftieth what shall we beleeue that Christ taught onely one yeare and that the fortieth yeare will you denie this to be a very new strange and almost franticke noueltie Besides that many write Irenaeus to haue been one of them whom the Fathers call Millenaries thinke you that was not a franticke opinion And can you doubt of Clemens whether hee hath sometimes sowne Tares what call you that where he denieth that Christ indeed did either hunger or thirst Againe that Christ taught but one yeere which he had of Irenaus Againe Clement Stromat lib. 3. idem lib. 1. idem lib. 5. that the Philosophers in hel expected the comming of Christ being taught by owne mouth beleeued Wil you deny those to be Tares and many of this kind are his to be found in the worthiest writers of that age If you denie it bring me one whom I will not conuince to haue erred by your owne iudgement You dare not say Tertul. we haue wronged Tertullian But you will vs to remember that the book of Prescriptions was neuer taxed which for ought I remember neuer was though I confesse that writing which you name is notable in which many things are written very diuinely against your Church d DVR But you tell vs not any one particular whereby this may appeare WHIT. pag. 365. I suppose you neuer read this booke or else you would not make doubt of it Is any thing more against your traditions then that hee pronounceth a curie to them that shall bring any doctrine but the selfe same which the nations receiued from the Apostles and they from Christ himselfe And that men cannot be otherwise perswaded of the things of faith then from the writings of faith when he gathereth from Christ sending of his Apostles that no Ministers are else to be receiue but such as Christ hath ordeined when whatsoeuer is later brought is forraine and false when he w●●●eth that faith must be built and borne vp vpon the writings of the Law and of the Prophets

Aduersaries I was in so doing most vain-glorious and proud aboue measure for that I considered neither them nor my self more deeply But if vpon considerations of the cause I thought my selfe able enough to proue that this sunne shineth now at Mid-day you must beare with this my feruent zeale which the honor of Iesus Christ my King and inuincible truth haue vrged me vnto Yee know that Marcus Tullius in his oration for Quintius when Roscius warranted him that he should get the better if he could proue that it was not possible for a man to trauaile 700. miles within two daies space was not only nothing afraid of the force and strength of that famous Orator Hortensius but also cared nothing for Philippus Cotta Antonius or Crassus who were Orators farre more excellent then Hortensius was And were as he iudged the principall Orators of his time There is vndoubtedly a truth in all matters so apparent and euident that neither any iugling trickes or enchaunting words can darken the beames thereof But that which I intend to proue is much more plaine then was that supposition of Roscius for if I shall proue this that there is a heauen a God a faith a Christ I haue gotten the victorie Should I not in this cause then be couragious Truly wel may I be killed but ouercome I cannot be for I depend vpon those Doctors whom that holy spirit hath instructed which can neither be deceiued nor ouercome I beseech you haue a care of your soules health of whom I shall obtaine this I expect the rest assuredly Let this be your only care and cogitation First to giue your selues to earnest prayer then diligentlie to studie also and yee shall find out the very depth of the matter and that the Aduersaries are in despaire and that we being so surely grounded haue good cause chearefully and couragiously to looke and long after these disputations I am the shorter in this preface because that all the Treatise following appertaineth properly to you Fare you well AN ANSWERE TO CAMPIANS EPISTLE WRITTEN TO THE STVDENTS OF THE two famous Vniuersities Oxford and Cambridge A Yeere agoe you write it fell out That according to the order of the religion which you professe vpon the commaundement of your Superiours you returned into this Iland Whether Campian you came willingly and of your owne accord or of a certaine necessitie by the order of your profession and Iesuiticall sect you were compelled to returne into England whence some yeeres ago you departed I will not be inquisitiue of because it is not much for the purpose we haue in hand It had bin far more glorious for you and more befitting the person you made shew to be not to haue crept in obscurely and by stealth but to haue returned with credit and authoritie But who is he that had power to send you an Embassage into a forreine country or what necessity lay vpon you to obey his commaundement who had no authority to enioyne you a iourney whither you were vnwilling to goe If that Spanish Souldier the first Author of your Iesuiticall societie were now aliue and should enioyne you to set your country on fire would you obey him I am sure you would say he would neuer commaund so foule a fact And yet he might better commaund and you execute that then this thing for which you professe you are now come hither For whether I pray you may we deeme lesse to set houses on fire then to diuert the minds of people from true Religion to trouble the peace of a Common-wealth to estrange the minds of loyall Subiects from their lawfull Prince and to turne all things topsie turuie which yet was the end of your comming and the order of your profession required no lesse at your hands But let vs heare how you go about your Embassage when say you I had gone further into England I saw nothing more vsuall then vnusuall punishments But Campian what be they Do you eft-soones so slaunder the mild gouernment of gratious Elizabeth accuse it of cruelty England neuer enioying a more mercifull Prince that you affirme you find nothing so common as vnusuall punishments But what new kind of torture haue you seene in Englād since you came into it Or which of your men can you name who hath bin condemned put to death for Religion not only since you came into England but for these 23. yeeres the whole time that good Elizabeth hath swayed the Scepter of this kingdome It is true indeed that some few haue bin punished who iumpe with you in opinion and Religion but they died not for religion but were by open iudgment of law conuicted of Treason There was of late executed one Euerard a Priest sent from the Colledge at Rhemes into England Who though he was in daunger to the Lawes many waies yet might haue had his life but that impudently at the barre he vttered things shamefull vile and intolerable For he boasted himselfe both to be the subiect and Vassall of the Pope euen in England and affirmed that the Pope was no lesse the head of the Church of England then of the Church of Rome Auouching further that he was verily perswaded that the Pope did not erre when he termed Queene Elizabeth an Heretike and the Patron of Heretikes and denounced her no lawfull Queene Euerard was for this confession conuicted and condemned who afterwards as if this had not been enough in prison professed plainly and directly in the presence and hearing of Sixteene men of credit That it was no sinne against God to commit treason against his Prince Yet for all this he suffered no new and vnusuall punishment but the same that all Traytors suffer among vs in the like case But who are you and what is your religion that you so bouldly obiect crueltie vnto vs Heare me this one thing Campian and denie it if you can It is not long since moe of our brethren were condemned by you at one Session executed in one day consumed in one fire then you can recount to me haue yet bin put to death for the Popes cause at any time or by any kind of death in the whole happie raigne of Queene Elizabeth Doe but call to mind Campian the rare cruelty the exquisite tortures the frequent Martyrdome of former times and if there be in you any sparke of humanity you cannot chuse but confesse that your side hath been extreme cruell and we sufficiently prouoked to seueritie against you and to haue repayed you with the like For what times I pray you can afford vs such and so many butcheries of men as was to be seene when you were Lords ouer vs and which are yet fresh in memorie Tell vs what sexe or age you spared and did not bloodilie execute all without difference and distinction of learned or vnlearned male or female old or young Children Virgins Married Clergie and Laytie Bishops Archbishops escaped not your hands The Martyrs you did

without faith but to his perdition who receiueth the Sacrament that monster I doe abhorre and detest with mine whole hart You adde therfore they haue made no more reckoning of the Baptisme of Christ then of Iohns that is a meere ceremonie I am not ignorant what the Fathers thought of the Baptisme of Iohn But I heed what the Scriptures teacheth not what they imagined In them both there was the u DVR But Matth. 3.11 Iohn baptised with water only Christ with the Spirit WHIT. pag. 669. Here is no comparison betweene the Baptisme but the persons for not Iohn only but not Peter nor any Minister of the Gospel can giue the holy Ghost to those whom they doe baptise Men giue but the outward signe it is Christ who giueth the Spirit DVR VVhy vvere they Act. 19 4.5 baptised againe vvhom Iohn had baptised if it be the same Baptisme WHIT. pag. 671. They were not rebaptised as Ambr●se saith de Spirit Sanct. lib. 1. cap. 3. And the 5. vers being S. Paule● words they are to be vnderstood not of those Ephesians but of the people whom John baptised As if S. Paul had said John taught those who came to his Baptisme to beleeue in Christ who was to come and they when they heard it were baptised in the name of the ●ord Iesus From this then can be gathered no differenc● of thes● tvvo Baptismes same ceremonie the same doctrine and the same grace If there were any thing vnlike in these things I refuse not to confesse that the Baptisme of Iohn and Christ were diuers Now Iohn ioyned repentance Mat. 3 2.1● Luk. 3.3 which is the fruit of true regeneration with his Baptisme and off●ed this Baptisme for the remission of sinnes If the Baptisme of Iohn wanted not repentance and remission of sinnes I see not why it should bee held so much different from the Baptisme of Christ And what is the cause * DVR Because that Baptisme did prepare men to regeneration of vvhich preparation Christ had no need WHIT. pag. 673. This is but your coyned distinction for the Fathers speake and answere otherwise Chrys●st in 3. Matth. not that he should receiue remission of sinne by ●aptisme but that be might leaue sa●ctified waters for those who should after be baptised And August in cat ●ur in 3. Matth. Our Sauiour would therefore be baptised not that bee might bee sanctified but that he might sanctifie the waters for vs. why the Fathers demand wherfore Christ who needed no regeneration did come to the Baptisme of Iohn but because they iudged that his Baptisme had the power of regeneration Concerning that which you annexe If you haue it it is well if you want it there is no hurt beleeue and you shall be saued before you bee baptised wee doe not speake so loosely as you imagine For wee will not haue it to be in any ones choice to be baptised if hee will and to leaue it if hee will not Yet wee doe not thinke that Baptisme is so x DVR VVhat If without Baptisme infants may obtaine eternall life is it not your iudgements that it is no burt to them though they want Baptisme But Christ thought farre ●therwise Ioh. 3.5 WHIT. pag. 675. It is a wicked and batbarou● opinion to thinke that they who die before they can come to Baptisme are damned For who will say that the infants of the Iewes who died before the eight day did p●rish And when in former ages they deferred Baptisme till the houre of death did they think it so absolute necessary Will you say that an infant is not of the nūber of the elect because God wil that he die before Baptisme if you will you shall be accounted bold rash and impious As for the place of Iohn Christ doth not thinke that none can come into heauen which wanteth the outward Baptisme The theefe was with Christ in Paradise and yet was vnbaptised with the outward Baptisme But the truth is by water Christ meaneth there the Spirit as appeareth by conference of places Matth. 3.11 As there fire so here water signifieth the power of the Spirit Ioh. 4.10 simplie necessarie to saluation that he that is not entred by Baptisme must needs perish euerlastingly For the saluation of a Christian man cōsisteth in the mercie of God which is not so tyed bound to any Sacraments y DVR God hath shewed his vvill Ioh. 3.5 And ●hen S. Paul makes all by nature the Children of wrath Ephes 2.3 If there be no remedie against this euill in the Scripture but Baptisme what can be but that they vvho die vvithout Baptisme must needs die in the same condition WHIT. 677. God in no place hath shewed this to bee his will that they who die without Baptisme shall perish Of the words of Christ haue ●in spoken which if they be vnderstood of Baptisme they belong only to those who are of growne yeares That by no other meanes we can be freed from the miserable state of nature but by Baptisme is very false For the Spirit of God doth in and without the Sacrament doth communicate his graces as that he cannot saue those whom he will not haue perish without them Where the opportunity of Baptisme is not Gods promise alone is abundantly sufficient of it selfe But whosoeuer either neglecteth Baptisme through heedlesnes or boldly contemneth it him we condemne of very hainous sin For he doth both diminish the Maiestie of Christ and also refuseth his owne saluation But he that committeth neither shal not answere for the fault of another Therefore verie right was that iudgement of Bernard z DVR He speaketh not of infants but of those vvho indued with true faith were preuented by an vntimely death that they could not be baptised WHIT. pag. 680. How truly you speake we may iudge out of the same Epistle For he thus writeth VVho is ignorant that in former times they had other remedies against originall sinne besides Baptisme for to Abraham and his seed vt as the Sacrament of Circumcision giuen to this end But in other nations so many as vvere found faithfull vvee beleeue that they vvho vvere of yeares vvere sanctified by faith and sacrifices but the parents faith did profit their infants yea and vvas sufficient for them If this was so before Christ shall we thinke the condition of infants is now worse not the want but the contempt of Baptisme is damnable Bernard in Epist. ad Hugon In the rest that follow as being small matters you doe but trisle For neither doe you your selfe declare any thing of your owne opinions nor can you reproue any thing in ours But I long to know what you thinke of the faith of Infants I suppose you wil grant that they haue grace For say you Baptisme conferreth grace But will you not yeeld that they haue faith I wish therefore you would teach me to the end you may draw me wholy into your opinion how