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A13774 The true copy of tvvo letters, with their seuerall answeres, contayning the late apostasie of the Earle of Lauall, after his returne from Italy VVherein the principall poynts in controuersie with the papists, are learnedly and fully confuted. By D. Tilenus. Faythfully translated by D.D.S. Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633.; Coligny, Guy Paul de, 1555-1586, attributed name.; D. D. S.; Laval, Antoine de, 1550-1631, attributed name. 1605 (1605) STC 24072; ESTC S118417 23,042 42

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more necessary then tedious and if the desire of learning be as wel grauen in your heart as it is represented in your letter as a charitable Christian I wil beleeue you not withstanding the assurance of your friends seruants who in all parts publish lament your reuolt wholly resolued on I shall be very glad that this written answere to your letter may be communicated to those whom ye esteem most capable for the examination thereof I am not ignorant of their ordinary replies Also I know for the ouerthrowing of them it shal suffice to apply therunto the conclusions which may be drawne from the principals set downe by me and to do them a little a little by degrees it would exceed the bounds of a letter and your owne ordinance and desire but if there rests yet any doubt on these poynts or others that the assurance which ye haue of my particular affection to your seruice and to your saluation may make you desire the true light rather by my pen thē by the mouth of some other more neere vnto you I shall esteem it for singular great honour the commaundement which it shall please you to giue me for to God it is not acceptable that I should esteeme that voyage of Rome or the aire of the Court or the vayne hope of I wot not what to haue so changed that naturall inclination which I was wont in some other time heretofore to marke in you that ye would enter into into a new Religiō trauersing amids these mists of vncertain doubts irresolutions without any assurance in your spirit of any receiued knowledge with these remorses of conscience in your heart with a brain ful of doubts which you say to haue growne in you euen while ye were writing vnto me Herein you would resemble the sunne in March which remoues the humours without bringing force to resolue them or to do as those whom curiosity makes to taste of a drug vnknowne the effect whereof cannot be knowne but by their death No no I cannot beleeue it I know what a poore Pagan hath heretofore taught you that it behooueth neuer to vndertake any thing which is doubted to be iust because that Iustice shines of her selfe by the contrary all doubts shew that therin is euill how much lesse then those that haue bene learned in a better schoole that whatsoeuer is done without fayth is sinne and would they resolue themselues without this certainty to alteration where they goe either to life or to death eternall if they haue any remainder I wil not say of godlines and Religion but of honor courage And heereupon I pray the Father of light who illuminates the blynd who whē he pleaseth rayses the dead although they were dead foure dayes to open your eyes to discerne well that Pearle which they would bereaue you of with the false and counterfeit drosse which they offer to you in exchāge to open and perce your eares that you might discerne the voyce of the Shepherd from the howling of the Wolfe and to touch your heart for to arrest and stay you rather with his Sonne who hath giuen his life for you than to the sonne of perdition who hath pursued the corporall death of your Predecessours and now agayne conspireth and lyeth in wayte by all the subtill practises and deuices hee can for the spirituall death of your soule Surely this is our honour and profit and not that of Gods when as he speaketh to vs our shame damage not his when as we disdaine to heare him he can better passe our shame then we can his grace But aduise we ourselues lest our cōtempt of his mercy kindle the iust wrath of his anger making himselfe to be felt by afflicting those who in his speaking to them reiected him I cannot thinke without amazing sayth the Prophet Dauid of the righteous iudgemēt which thou shalt cause the great feare wherewith all my bodie trembles as it were These be the verses which your father now departed of good memory had oftentimes in his mouth whē as he heard speaking of such reuolting from the Religion as master Merlin your late master told me God graunt that the remembrance of his death may helpe your life in following that same verse which this Psalme recommendeth to vs. I beseech you excuse my boldnesse and lay the reason on your owne goodnes who hath giuen it to him who fearing lest abusing of it in a danger so perilous should be construed a kind of treason not only by your faithfull seruants and true friends but also by your self one day when the truth now smoothered in your spirit by the deceiuings of Sophisters shall rayse it selfe and according to his nature shall obtayne to swim aboue falshood vntruth This shall be at that time when as appealing from your selfe to your selfe I remit promise to my selfe the right vnderstanding of the publike cause with an acknowledgement of my particular zeale and so haue bene and with a will to remayne Your most humble and most faithfull seruant D. TILENVS The second letter of the Earle of Lauall to his master D. Tilenus SIR I thinke my selfe very much bound to you in that you haue taken the paynes and the care to answere to the poynts wherein I craued some light You say to the first which is of the purity of the church that incontinent after the death of the Apostles that it was corrupted And Caluin referres himselfe to the ancient Church of S. Basil S. Ambrose S. Chrisostome and S. Austen This is in his booke of Institutions and Lord Du Plessis affirmes the first eyght hundred yeres who was the first that gaue mee the occasion to read the History of that age In another poynt touching the sending of the Ministers you say that Farrel had it frō the people it behoueth then that eyther the people there were Catholiks or that they were instructed in the religion by some Doctor by consequence it is necessary that a Doctor of the Religion proceeded the people of the Religion so without any sending or calling vnles it was extraordinary or else from the Church of Rome You alledge a passage of S. Ciprian who sayes the people obedient to Gods Commaundement should seperate thēselues from a wicked guide not to meddle with a sacrilegious Priest If ye receiue after that meaning where he saies that the people may discharge their guide that is to say a Pastor wherefore also receiue ye him not in that which he saies that the Priest sacrifices that shewes at least that this was holdē certayn in those dayes Finally for what defect or errour was it of the reformed Church that it behooueth that her pastors should haue their sending as you say in a part from the Church of Rome as from an instrument corrupt This is to do as the Church of the Husseits in Germany whereof all the Doctors for the most part