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A81412 A dialqgue [sic] betwen [sic] a dissenter and a church-man touching general and particular points. General, viz. of common-prayer, surplice, cross in baptizm, kneeling at sacrament, god-fathers and mothers, baptism it self. Particular. Of original sin, general redemption. 1689 (1689) Wing D1293aA; ESTC R227165 12,793 20

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if they did might not Abraham say as well as you What shall become of this Child that is dead and is not circumcised and I must not go beyond the Law No no ye do not hear Abraham in any place thus reason with himself for if God is pleased to take them away before they come within the reach of the command he must leave them to God and not search into his Counsel nor strain his Command Now as the time appointed by God in the Law was the eighth day so the time appointed in the Gospel is when they believe Believe and be baptized We do not rend of one that was baptized before their Confession of Faith in Christ Now if they did before they have Faith in Christ it is not their Baptism will save them for it is believing and not baptizing that will save them Church-m Why do you think that when those holy Families were baptized there was no Children among them Dissen I cannot tell but if there was the Scripture tells us they all believed and were baptized besides Baptism and the Lords Supper are the two Ordinances of the Lord they that are not capable of the one are not of the other for he that eats drinks unworthily there is damnation for their Pains and for Baptism it is the sign of being buried and ingrafted into Christ Now for you to ingraft those in Christ which he hath not is Persumption Church-m Why say you Did not our Lord take little Children in his Arms and say of such is the Kingdom of Heaven and except ye become like them ye shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven c Why should you exclude them which Christ hath included Dissen You say true Christ did take little Children and blessed them but did he call for Water or Baptize or did he order his Disciples to do it No he said except you become as Innocent as these that is except by Righteousness you become as clear of Original as this Child is of Actual Sin ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Church-m Nay now you talk like a Man that does not know the Scripture Indeed you say Original Sin and that in Gospel time doth not the Apostle say As in Adam all died so in Christ shall all be made alive so that Original Sin as to its damning nature is taken away by Christ And it is cleared by the Words of our Saviour Exept you become as this Child you shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven which implies they must be innocent and if innocent Original as well as Actual Sin must be done away Dissen I think you speak as if you did not know Original Sin is done away by Christ This is a great Arminian Point and this brings in our particular Points in which we must leave the Church because I know not whether it be the general opinion of it yea or nay you say Original Sin in the Gospel Pray why doth the Apostle say And by nature ye were Children of Wrath even as others now these were such as lived in a Gospel time Now what say you do you think the Apostle had not as great a light into the Priviledges of Christ's Death as you have and yet he tells them Ye are by nature Children of wrath and if Children of wrath then Original Sin is not done away for God cannot be wrath with those which have no Sin for if Original Sin be done away then Actual Sin must cease for take away the Root and the Branch dies and so take away Original Sin and Actual must cease for it s by the Fall of Adam that we become guilty now if Christ takes away that Fall then we are innocent as Adam was Now I do confer where whom Christ redeems he washeth away all Sin Original and Actual but yet we in Gods own Elect from Original Sin Actuals do break forth run till God comes by his restraining Grace to work upon them and make their Election sure Now if there were no Root from whence should all these Branches proceed besides there may be many Arguments laid down to prove this Point but you say the Word of our Saviour clears this Point to you Except you become like this Child mark it is like it that is except by my Righteousness and Death Merits you become of Original and of Actual Sin as innocent as this Child is of the Acts of Sin you shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven And now I will prove it that Christ did not die for all as you say As in Adam all died so in Christ shall all be made alive the Apostle knew what he said in Adam it is certain all mankind did die and so by the Fall forfited all his Mercies and did not only forfit all his Mercies but brought temporal Death and not only so but spiritual Death also and when Man was in this state he could no way help himself but there he must lie if God did not find out a way and perish to all eternity Thus we leave Man and go to God from his fore-Knowledge who knowing all the Transactions of Man in the World and before Man was made in his fore-Knowledge saw the state in which he was in and that his Mercies might have a name upon the Earth as well as his Justice for 't was said In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt die he provied a Saviour to pay the Price and lay down Satisfaction to Justice for a number of poor Souls which he was willing to make the Vessels of Glory to shew forth the Praise of his Mercies in his redeeming Love And now as in Adam all dies so in Christ all are made alive that is all that are made alive or thus as in Adam he and his all fell so by the Death of Christ the second Adam he and his all are made alive Church-m Why was Christ dead in Sin that he must be made alive as you say he and his all was made alive which imploys that he was dead with the Sinner Dissen Yes it does imply a kind of Death for as the Sinner had Sinned and Christ took upon him their Sins he become the greater Sinner by imputation and so he having ingaged to God for the Elect. God's Justice did no longer look upon the Sinner for Satisfaction but upon Christ he having taken upon him the Debt which they were to have paid he could not sit down at the right Hand of God in the Throne of his Glory of Redeeming Work till he had satisfied Justice and that must be by his Death and thereby his overcoming of Death he purchased his Life and with him the Life of all his Elect and then he ascended with boldness to the glorious Throne of his Father in the face of Justice to take to himself the glory of Mediating and Redeeming works and these and none but these which are the Redeemed and are of his Elect and are called by his Grace are fit Subjects of the Lords Supper for he that Eateth and Drinketh unworthily Eateth and Drinketh Damnation to himself So that the Ordinances of Christ's Baptism and the Lords Supper which is inseparable as I have shewed you before is of Right to none but Believers We may meet again if God permits to Discourse further but now I must bid you Farewel for it is late Church-m I shall be glad of the Opportunity and so for this time Farewel FINIS