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A41009 Kātabaptistai kataptüstoi The dippers dipt, or, The anabaptists duck'd and plung'd over head and eares, at a disputation in Southwark : together with a large and full discourse of their 1. Original. 2. Severall sorts. 3. Peculiar errours. 4. High attempts against the state. 5. Capitall punishments, with an application to these times / by Daniel Featley ... Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. 1645 (1645) Wing F586; ESTC R212388 182,961 216

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through error of their judgment take not care for their childrens baptisme and thereby deprive them of the ordinary remedie of that originall maladie in which they are conceived and born ARGUMENT II. None ought to exclude the children of the faithfull out of the kingdom of heaven But by denying them baptisme as much as in us lyeth we exclude them out of the kingdom of heaven For as Christ affirmed to Nicodemus confirmed it with a double oath or most vehement asseveration Amen amen or verily verily I say unto thee except a man beborn of water and the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven Ergo we ought not to deny them baptisme ANABAP ANSWER The words of our Saviour concern m●n in riper years not children he saith except a man not except a child be born again REPLY First Christ by man there understandeth the species of mankind comprehending all ages and sects for otherwayes they might as well exclude all women as children from baptisme because it is said except a man be born not except a woman but the words immediatly following make it a clear case the Christ by man understandeth all singular persons contained under the species of mankind whether male or female young or old that saith he which is born of flesh is flesh but certain it is children are properly born of flesh as men and after they are born of flesh they are first children before they are men Secondly this regeneration by water Christ speaketh of is to take away the filth of sin that so they may be capable of entring into the kingdom of heaven into which there shall in no wise enter any thing that is defiled but children before their regeneration by water are defiled as well as men And therefore Christ prescribes this remedie to them as well as men That children are died as it were in the grain and stained from their mothers womb is clearly proved by many pregnant texts of holy scripture as namely Psal. 51. 5. Behold I was born in iniquitie and in sin hath my mother conceived me and Ioh. 3. 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven 1 Cor. 15. 50. and Rom. 5. 12. By one man sin entered into the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all men in whom or for that all have sinned 1 Cor. 15. 22. In Adam all dye and Ephesi 2. 3. We were by nature the children of wrath even as others All that are sentenced to death are guiltie of sin but children as well as men in Adam were sentenced to death else no children should dye Again that which comes by nature is common to all who partake of that nature but the Apostle teacheth us that by nature we are the children of wrath therefore certainly children are not free from sin which alone makes us the object of Gods wrath ARGUMENT III. They whom the Apostles baptized are not to be excluded from baptisme For what the Apostles did in the performance of their ministeriall function they undoubtedly did either by Christs command or by the direction of the holy spirit wherewith they were infallibly assisted But the Apostles baptized children for they baptized whole families whereof children are a known part Ergo children ought not to be excluded from baptisme ANABAP ANSWER The word houshold or family is taken in the places alledged for the greater part of the family neither is it said that there were any children at all in those families REPLY First to refell the first answer the words of St. Luke are sufficient of themselvs where it is said that the gaoler was baptized 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and all that were his or all that belonged unto him therefore not only the major part of his family according to the false and corrupt glosse of the Anabaptists but simplie and absolutely all that lived under his roof Secondly as it is not said in expresse words that there were any children in these families so neither is it said that there were any women or servants yet no man doubteth but there were of both sexes and conditions in these families Thirdly it is to be observed that it is not said that the Apostle baptized one family but many namely that of Lydia that of the Gaoler and of Stephanas and it is no way credible that in all these families blessed by God and converted to the Christian faith all the women should be barren and not one fruitfull Lastly if there were any children in the families and the Apostle had not baptized them he would undoubtedly have excepted them as he doth in the like case 1 Cor. 1. 14. I thank God I baptized none of you but Crispus and Gaius I baptized also the houshold of Stephanas He who is so exact and punctuall in reckoning of those whom he baptized if he had baptized no children would have added I baptized also the houshold of Stephanas except the sucklings and children there But the Apostle neither there nor elsewhere excepteth children therefore being as essentiall parts of a familie as well as their parents they must be comprised under the name of the family or houshold ARGUMENT IV. Such as were circumcised under the law may and ought to be baptized under the gospell For baptisme answereth to circumcision and is called by that name Colos. 2. 11. 12. the same grace is sealed unto us by the one as by the other to wit mortification of the flesh remission of sins and admission into the visible church and the children of Christians are as capable of baptisme as the children of the Jews were of circumcision But children were circumcised under the la● Gen. 17. 12. 13. Ergo children may and ought to be baptized under the Gospel ANABAP ANSWER The argument from the circumcision of children to the baptisme of them followeth not because there is a command for the one and not for the other REPLY First in this their answer either by command they understand an expresse command and in particular or a generall and implicite if they mean an expresse command and in particular such an one is not requisite as themselvs will they nill they must needs confesse for they can produce no expresse and particular commandement either for the baptizing of women or administring the Lords Supper to them or for sanctifying and keeping holy the eight day from the Creation or first day of the week called now the Christian Sabbath nor for re-baptizing any that were baptized in their infancie which yet the Anabaptists generally practise and from thence take their names If they understand a generall and implicite command such an one we produced before for the baptisme of children in the prosecution of the first argument and shall many other in the arguments ensuing Secondly where the reason and equitie of law remains there the law is still in force at least for substance though