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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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his idle permission The like he saieth de Praedestinat p. 727. And ibid. p. 726. Moises clearly affirmeth that hardnes of Pharao to haue Pharoes hardnes proper worke of God beene the worke of God Nether surely is Pharao his crueltie attributed here in any other sense vnto Gods counsell then otherwhere he is saied to giue fauour to his people in the sight of the. Egyptians And l. 3. Institut c. 23. § 1. Whence it followeth that the hidden counsell of God was the cause of this hardnes of harte Beza de Praedestinat cont Castell p. 400. Induration is the iust worke of God and the worke of Sathan Peter Martyr in lib. Iudic. c. 3. These kind of speeches plainly God worketh euerie way euill teach that God not onely by permitting but also by doing worketh euerie way euill in vs. Piscator apud Vorstium in Parasceue c. 3. c. in Amica Collat. sect 130. Because God procureth this manifestation of Procureth sinne it selfe of his iustice and mercie therefore also he procureth sinnes them selues God procured that Absalon rauished his father wiues Zanchius de Excaecat q. 1. to 7. col 204. It is certaine Author of induration that God as iust iudge was the chiefe Author of this induration See more of their like sayings in my Latin booke c. 1. art 4. THE CONFERENCE OF THE FORESAIED WORDS Scripture expressely saieth that God will not doe iniquitie hath not done iniquitie that a good tree cannot yeeld euill fruits that who worketh who committeth sinne is of the diuell The same saye Catholiks Protestants expressely say that God worketh euill in vs and by vs punisheth his ill deeds in vs that Dauids adulterie was the proper worke of God and Iudas his treason was Gods worke as well as Pauls vocation that the euill of sinne is done by the effectuall working of God that God is the Author of Induration or hardnes of hart the cause of it that it is Gods worke that Pharaos crueltie against the Iewes is attributed to Gods counsell in the same sense that the Egyptians fauour towards them that God euery way worketh euill in vs that God it the Author of all those things which Catholike Cēsurers thinke to fall out by his permission that God procureth sinne it selfe Which sayings are so blasphemous as the holie fathers affirme that they make God to be no God and so Basil hom quod Deus nō sit causa mali contrarie to holie Scripture as the same Protestants confesse it See l. 2. c. 25. 30. ART III. WHETHER GOD OERDAINE SINNE to be done and predestinate men to sinne SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY DENIETH. Hieremie 19. v. 5. And they haue builtes the excelses of God ordaineth not sinne Baalim which I commanded not nor haue spaken of nether haue they ascended into my hart The same teacheth the Scripture where it denieth that God willeth sinne CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY DENIE Councell of Trent Session 6. Can. 17. condemneth this doctrin The reprobats are predestinate to euill PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Perkins de Praedestinat to 1. col 127. We say that Adams God decreed mans fall fall came God not onely foreseing but also willing and decreing it In Serie causarum c. 52. It is wicked to say that God did onely forsee Adams fall but did not ordaine it by an eternall Ordained it decree In Apocal. 1. to 2. God decreed by a generall will that men should fall and sinne Willet in Synopsi Contr. 8. q. 3. p. 859. The fall of Adam was both foreseene of God decreed to be not permitted onely As Adams fall decreed as Christs death Christ his death was decreed and determined so was the fall of Adam For the end of Christs death was to restore Adams fall and if the end be decreed then those things also which are necessarily referred to that end Caluin 3. Institut c. 23. § 8. Adam fell because God iudged it so expedient Man falleth Gods prouidence ordayning so De Prouident p. 736. I acknowledge this to be my doctrin that Ordained of God Adam fell not by Gods permission onely but also by his hidden counsell Et p. 738. I confesse I wrote so Adams fall was ordayned by the secret decree of God De Praedestinar p. 704. Let our faith with seemlie sobernes adore a far of the hidden counsell of God wherwith the fall of men was preordinated Beza de Praedestinat cont Castell p. 340. How God is not in fault if he ordayne the causes of damnation we th●nke it a God ordeineth the causes of dānation question vnexplicable to mans sense Page 4 7. We acknowledge it to be true that God hath predestinated whomsoeuer he pleased not onely to damnation but also to the causes of damnation In Absters calum Heshusij p. 319. We say that Adam could not fall but through the decree and ordination of God We think that Adams fall was decreed of God Zanchius de Praedestinat c. 4. to 7. As well they which Men predestinate to blindnes are blinded are predestinated to blindnes as they which are deliuered from sinne are predestinated to deliuerie De Excaecat q. 5. It is cleare that God hath predestinated some to excecation Sinne euen considered as sinne as it serueth to the glorie of Sinne euen as sinne is preordeined of God God not of it nature but by Gods goodnes so far forth is sinne and the euill of sinne preordayned of God Which words also Polanus hath l. 4. Syntax Theol. c. 10. And the same Zanchius l. 5. de natura Dei c. 2. to 2. This was that which God first decreeth dānation and then sinne God first decreed of the reprobates from all eternitie to will the euerlasting ordayning of some men to perdition to this were their sinnes ordained and to their sinnes forsaking and deniall of grace Piscator apud Vorstium in Parasceue c. 3. All things Sinne done by a speciall decree of God are done by the decree of God euen sinnes themselues and that by an absolute and speciall decree c 6. God destinated all and euerie mā to sinne Et in Amica Collat. sect 58. God decreed absolutely and of him selfe that sinnes should be done The same Piscator in thesib l. 2. loco 12. Reprobation deniall of grace followeth this sinnes follow sinnes punishment followeth to all God preordayned the reprobate from all eternitie See more of their like sayings in the Latin booke c. 1. art 5. THE CONFERENCE OF THE FORESAIED WORDS Scripture expressely denieth that sinne ascendeth to the hart of God or that God willeth it The same Catholiks Protestants expreslely affirme that God ordayned decreed determined Adams fall that Adam fell by Gods counsell and because he thought it expediēt through the decree and ordination of God that God ordaineth the causes of damnation praedestinateth to the causes of damnation whom he pleaseth praedestinateth as well to blindnes or excecation as to deliuerie from sinne preordayneth sinne
the faithfull are veniall because they are not imputed Beza in Epistola dedicator Resp ad Castel p. 427. Sinnes are not imputed to them that beleiue Which he repeateth fol. Not to the beleiuers 457. vol. 3. p. 350. Zanchius de Perseuerant q. 1. c. 2. This is most certaine that God neuer imputeth sinnes to the elect Not to the Elect. Pareus l. 4. de Iustif c. 1. after he had related these words of Luther Where faith is no sinne can hurt addeth What more true CONFERENCE OF THE FORESAIED WORDS Scripture plainely saieth that sinne was imputed to Dauid albeit he was faithfull and elect The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that sinne is not imputed to the faithfull neuer imputed to the elect that sinne maketh not the faithfull guiltie hurteth them not that a beleiuer euen sinning remaineth godlie that sinne is remitted to him euen before it be committed ART II. WHETHER ANIE SINNES BE mortall to the faithfull and elect SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Gen. 2. v. 17. it is saied to Adam a faithfull and elect mā Sinne mortall to Adam In what day soeuer thou shall eate of it thou shalt die the death Numbers 18. ver 22. That the children of Israel approch not To the Israetes any more to the tabernacle nor commit deadlie sinne Rom. 5. v. 12. As by one man sinne entred into this world and To all men by sinne death and so vnto all men death did passe Et v. 18. As by the offence of one vnto all men to condemnation 1. Cor. 15. v. 22. As in Adam all die Et Epist 2. cap. 5. v. 14. If one died for all then all were dead Ephes 2. v. 5. Euen when we were dead by sinnes quickened vs together in Christ CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME C. Bellarm. l. 1. de Amiss Grat. cap. 7. That all sinnes of the predestinate be termed veniall and all sinnes of the reprobates mortall is confuted out of the examples of the Scripture with strong arguments nor onely of Catholik Doctors but also of Lutherans PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Caluin in 1. Ioan. 5. v. 16. He denieth that they are sinnes to Grieuous sinnes of Saints not mortall death not onely those in which the Saints do dayly offend but also if it chāce that sometimes they grieuously prouoke the wrath of God 2. Instit c. 8. § 59. The sinnes of Saints are veniall l. 3. Veniall c. 4. § 28. The sinnes of the faithfull be veniall Beza in 1. Ioan. 5. v. 19. Hence it followeth that no sinnes are No sinnes of the Elect mortall mortall to the elect none veniall to the reprobate Zanchius in Depulsione calum to 7. col 258. Because sinnes are pardoned to the elect nor are imuputed to death therefore in respect of the persons which are in Christ sinnes committed of them cannot be called mortall De Perseuerantia ib. col 156. The falls of Saints are not deadlie to them and therefore they die not in Gods sight with such falls Musculus in locis tit de Peccato If the persons be elect and faithfull in Christ it followeth that their sinnes are not mortall but veniall Bucanus in Instit Theol. loco 16. To the elect all sinnes All sinnes of the Elect be veniall euen the most grieuous are veniall by Christ THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that sinne was mortall to Adam though he were both faithfull and elect that by him death and condemnation passed vnto all men that all men were dead in him The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that no sinnes are mortall to the elect and faithfull that no sinnes are imputed to them to death that no falls are deadlie to them nor that they die with any whatsoeuer that euen most grieuous sinnes are veniall to the elect Which some Protestants confesse to be against Scripture See lib. 2. c. 30. ART III. WHETHER OMELY INCREdulitie be sinne SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY DENIETH. Ioan. 19. v. 11. Therefore he that hath betraied me to thee hath Sinne to betraie Christ Sinne to kill S. Stephen Sinne to accept persons Sinne not to doe the good one knoweth greater sinne Act. 7. v. 60. Lord laie not this sinne vnto them Iames. 2. v. 9. But if you accept persons you worke sinne And c. 4. v. 17. To one knowing to doe good and not doing it to him it is sinne CATH OLIKS EXPRESSELY DENIE Stapleton orat Catechet 2. c. Pride is so capitall a sinne as it is the supreme head of all sinnes euen of them which are termed capitall PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Luther Postilla in Dom. 4. post Pascha fol. 260. The Lord Onely incredulitie sinne teacheth here farre otherwise while he saieth The holie Ghost reproueth the world for sinne because they beleiue not in me where onely incredulitie is accounted sinne In Disput tom Sinne proper to incredulitie 1. f. 371. As nothing iustifieth but faith so nothing sinneth but incredulitie Iustification is proper to sinne in † Quarto modo No sinne but incredulitie all sorte so is sinne to incredulitie lib. cont Cathar to 2. fol. 156. Christ hath appointed that there should be no sinne but incredulitie Et in postilla Domestica feriae 2. Pentecost impress 1601. There is no more anie sinne but not to beleiue Melancthon apud Cocleum in art 6. Confess August As according to the Ghospell onely faith is iustice So contrariwise according to the Ghospell onely incredulitie is sinne Onely incredulitie sinne Caluin in Ioan. 15. vers 22. Christ by these words seemeth to insinuate that onely ncredulitie is sinne and there are who thinke so THE CONFERENCE The Scripture expressely saieth that it was sinne to betraye Christ to kill S. Stephen that it is sinne to accept persons and not to doe the good which we know The same say Catholiks Protestants expressely say that there is no sinne but incredulitie onely incredulitie is sinne that sinne is in all sortes proper to incredulitie ART IV. WHETHER SINNE OVGHT to be ouercome of the faithfull SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Rom. 6. v. 11. seq So thinke you also that you are dead to We ought to ouercome sinne sinne Let not sinne therefore reigne in your mortall bodie that you obey the concupiscences thereof CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Roman 6. v. 12. If the Spirit struggle but ouercometh not sinne in the bedie then it obeyeth and yeeldeth to the concupiscences of the bodie How then doth S. Paul exhorte those that are regenerate in Christ that sinne reigne not in their bodies and that they obey not concupiscences of the flesh These carnall and Epicurean Heretiks will haue the spirit to struggle with the flesh but not ouercome it PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Beza in Rom. 6. ver 12. edit An. 1565. 1582. This exhortation is fitly added to that which went before that we may vnderstand We ought not to ouercome sinne how farre we be dead to sinne as long as we liue
PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Academie of Marpurg apud Zanchium in tom 7. col The elect do not sinne 66. The elect himselfe doth it sinne not hut sinne inhabiting in him Bucer in Matthaei 7. A Christian sinneth not and yet he A Christian sinneth not hath sinne Zanchius in Supplicat ad Senatum Argentinensem tom 7. col 59. The elect cannot properly obey the concupiscences Doth not obey concupiscēce of sinne Whitaker Controu 2. q. 2. cap. 2. True faithfull can neuer be Is not ouercomen of Sathan ouercomen of Sathan Contra-remonstrantes in Collat. Hagae pap 351. Sinne hath not rule ouer the elect And 347. There is plainely saied who is borne of God that is the true faithfull and regenerate that he doth not sinne so as sinne ruleth ouer him againe nor can so sinne THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that Dauid though iustifyed did euill wickedly did sinne The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that the elect him selfe committeth not sinne that a Christian sinneth not that the elect properly obey not the concupiscences of sinne that sinne ruleth not ouer an elect ART XIV WHETHER THE ELECT being iustified euer doe sinne wittingly and willingly SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. 2. Reg. 12. v. 9. it is saied to Dauid Why hast thou contēned Dauid contemned Gods word Despised God the word of the Lord. Et v. 10. The sword shall not departe from thy house for euer because thou hast despised me CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Rom. 6. v. 12. calleth it filthie doctrine that the elect being iustified do not shake of the yoke of the law of God of set malice but of frailtie because the flesh ouercometh the spirit striuing PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Iacobus Andreae in Colloq Montisb p. 382. The elect The elect sinne not of purpose Not of full will sinne not of purpose but against their will Perkins de Praedest to 1. col 153. The regenerate do not sinne of whole or full will Academie of Zurich apud Zanchium to 7. col 74. Nether of them Dauid Peter sinned with his whole harte and mynde And Zanchius himselfe ib. de Perseuerant col 98. The true faithfull being once ingrafted in Christ neuer sinne with their mynd that is with their whole mynde harte and full will but Onely of ignonorance onely with flesh ignorance and frailtie Et col 363. Saints neuer sinne of set malice or as others say with their will but alwaies ether of frailtie or of ignorance Daneus Contr. de Baptismo c. 14. Men sinne in two sortes Ether with whole affection of mynde feeling no fight betwene the spirit and flesh and in this sorte do not they sinne who are borne of God and haue true faith Pareus l. 1. de Amiss Gratiae cap. 6. Who is borne of God 〈…〉 not sinne with his whole harte Et l. 3. de Iustif c. 15. ●●ece we haue clearly that the regenerate do not sinne to wit with their whole harte and to death 〈…〉 dea●h Scarpe de Iustif Contr. 5. No faithfull persons sinne with full force of will THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely teacheth that Dauid though an elect and iustified man contemned Gods word despised God The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely teach that the elect do not sinne with their whole harte neuer sinne with their will neuer with full will but onely of frailtie or ignorance or with the flesh ART XV. WHETHER THE WIDDOWS whereof S. Paul speake did make void their faith by marrying SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. 1. Tim. 5. v. 11. 12. But auoid the yonger widdows for when Somewidows damned for marrying againe they shal be wanton in Christ they will marrie hauing damnatiō because they haue made void their first faith CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME C. Bellarm. l. 2. de Monachis c 24. The Apostle faith that they make void their first faith which will marrie PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Apologia Confess Augustan c. de votis Paul condemneth Not damned because the married the widdows not because they married Whitaker l. 9. cont Dureum sect 39. The Apostle writeth that those widdows were to be damned not because they married Lutherans de votis to 2. f. 302. But nether doth Paul condemne this in them that they will marrie Illyricus in Claue part 1. verbo Fides There is no speech of breaking of vow or of marrying againe Zuinglius in Explanat artic 30. Paul saieth that these broke their first faith because they vsed the pleasure of the flesh not with husbands for they who married did not breake their faith Peter Martyr libr. de votis col 1352. It cannot be gathered hence that to haue a will to marrie was accounted sinne in them THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that those widdows whereof S. Paul speaketh had their damnation by marrying because by marrying they made void their first faith The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that they had no damnation by marrying that they did not sinne by marrying that there is no speech in S. Paul of marrying againe that he spoake of such as out of marriage vsed the pleasure of the flesh Which contradiction of the Scripture is so euident as some Protestants confesse it See lib. 2. c. 30. ART XVI WHETHER VSVRIE be sinne SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Psal 14. v. 1. 5. Lord who shall dwel in thy tabernacle c. Vsurie sinne He that hath not giuen his money to vsurie Psal 71. ver 14. From vsuries and iniquities he shall redeeme their soules Ezechiel 18. vers 5. and 8. And a man if he shal be iust hath not lent to vsurie and not taken more hath turned his hand from iniquitie This man is iust liuing he shall liue saieth our Lord God CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME S. Thomas 2. 2. q. 78. art 1. To take vsurie for money lent is of it selfe vniust PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Bucer in Disput de Vsuris pag. 794. The Lord did not forbidde Not all vsurie forbidden Some vsurie allowed and condemne all vsurie but vsurie of a certaine kind to wit that with biteth and helpeth not the neighbour which alone I thinke to be allowed Caluin in Epistolis edit 1619. pag. 488. If we condemne all vsurie we make the snare of consciences straiter then the Lord himselfe would Againe I find not by any testimonie of Scripture that all vsuries are condemned THE CONFERENCE Scripture expressely saieth that who lendeth money to vsurie shall not dwell in Gods tabernacle that soules are to be redeemed from vsurie that a iust man doth not lend to vsurie The same say Catholiks Protestants expresseiy say that al vsurie is not condemned that some is to be allowed ART XVII WHETHER ALL HAVE sinned in Adam SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Rom. 5. v. 12. As by one man sinne entred into this world and All men sinned in Adam All made sinners in Adam by sinne death and so vnto all men death did passe in whome all sinned Et ver 19. As by
the disobedience of one man manie were made sinners CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME C. Bellarm. l. 4. de Amiss Gratiae c. 13. In that one man all sinned PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Zuinglius de Peccato orig to 2. f. 116. Nether hindreth it We sinned but figuratiuely in Adam Not truely sinned that S. Paul Rom. 5. saieth All haue sinned For after the same manner the worde Sinned is putte metonymically De Ratione fidei ib. f. 539. I confesse that our first father committed a sinne which is truely a sinne but they who are descended of him did not sinne in this sorte Adolphus Venator apud Homium in Specimine c. We did not sinne in Adam art 15. Thereupon it may be gathered that we did not sinne in Adam because c. THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that all sinned in Adam that by his disobedience manie are made sinners The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that all sinned in Adam but figuratiuely that Adam truely sinned but not they who are descended of him that we sinned not in Adam ART XVIII WHETHER THERE BE anie originall sinne SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Scripture in places before cited saieth that all sinned Originall sinne true sinne in Adam that by his disobedience many were made sinners 1. Cor. 15. v. 12. that in Adam all died CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Councel of Trent Sess 5. Can. 2. If anie shall say that Adam by his sinne of disobedience transfused onely death and punishment of the bodie in all man kinde and not sinne which is the death of the soule be he accursed PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Zuinglius de Peccato orig to 2. f. 115. What could be saied Originall sinne is no sinne Not truely called sinne more breefly or clearly then that originall sinne is no sinne but a sicknesse Fol. 116. This is that I will that originall sinne is not truely called sinne but metonymically of the sinne committed of our first father fol. 115. What could be saied more weakly and more farre from Canonicall Scripture then that it is not a sicknesse but a guilt De Baptismo ibid. fol. 87. It followeth Not guilt No staine that litle ones or Infants are without all blemish or staine f. 90. Whence we gather that originall sinne is indeed a sicknesse which yet of it selfe is not faultie nor can cause the punishment of damnation Againe How can it be that what is a sicknesse and contagion deserueth the name of sinne or is sinne indeed And Respons ad Luther fol. 517. The summe of all which No sinne indeed Not such a sinne as hath fault Not properly sinne Maketh not guiltie of death I taught in my booke of originall sinne is this That originall contagion is not such a sinne that hath any fault but rather is a sicknesse which by reason of Adams sinne cleaueth vnto vs. Homius in Specimine c. art 15. bringeth many Protestants who denie originall sinne as Venator Originall sinne is not properly sinne nor deserueth damnation Arminius Originall sinne is fondly saied to make guiltie of death Borrius There is no reason why God would impute this sinne to Infants Beza de Praedestinat cont Castel vol 1. p. 421. thus writeth of Castellio whome D. Humfrey ad Ration 1. Campiani much commendeth for learning and honestie Out of which it may be easily gathred that ether thou accountest originall Originall sinne a fable sinne a fable or els doest so diminish it that what is by origin thou wouldst haue to be attributed to imitation Nether is Beza himselfe farre from the same opinion for 2. part resp ad acta Colloq Montisbel p. 103. he denieth that elected infants need any renouation Faber also and Erasmus whome Protestants challenge for theirs do denie originall sinne in Rom. 5. THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that all haue sinned in Adam that all die in Adam that by his disobedience manie are made sinners The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that originall sinne is no sinne but a sicknes not truely a fault but figuratiuely not a guilte not a blemish not a staine not faultie of it selfe that it can not cause damnation not such a sinne as hath fault not a sinne indeed nor deserueth the name of sinne THE SVMME OF THIS CHAPTER OF SINNES The things which we hau● rehearsed in this chapter do make manifest that Protestants teach of sinnes quite contrarie to holie Scripture For the Scripture and Catholiks with it teacheth that sinnes are imputed to the faithfull that they are mortall to them as well as to others that they ought to be ouercomen of the faithfull that whosoeuer serue sinne serue not God that great sinnes putte out grace nor can stād with iustice that they are to be redeemed with good workes that to abstaine from them is necessarie to saluation that they are the cause why men are damned that we must giue an account of them that they are committed of the elect and that with full consent that vsurie is a sinne and that originall sinne is a true sinne All which Protestants do denie They make also manifest that Protestants play the What Protest take from sinnes theiues towards sinnes also and steale from them no lesse then from good things but that they steale from sinne other kind of qualities and for an other end For from God from Christ from Saintes from the Church from Sacraments from good workes and other godlie and holie things they steale that which is good vertuous and worthie of praise and honour that thereby they may not seeme so worthie to be loued and esteemed of men But from sinnes they steale malice all power of hurting the faithfull in saying they are not imputed to them cast not them out of Gods grace and such like now rehearsed to the end that they should not seeme so horrible and so much to be auoided of the faithfull And thereby they shew themselues to be freinds of sinne and precursors of him who is termed The man of sinne And thus much of 2. Thessal 2. Sinnes Now of Iustification from them CHAPTER XVI OF IVSTIFICATION ART I. WHETHER IVSTIFICATION be of workes SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. IAMES 2. v. 21. Abraham our father was he not Abraham iustified by workes Man Rahab iustified by workes vers 24. Do you see that by workes a man is iustified Et v. 25. Rahab the harlot was not she iustified by workes Luc. 7. v. 47. Manie sinnes are forgiuen her because she hath loued much Act. 3. vers 19. Be penitent therefore and conuert that your sinnes may be putte out CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Rom. 4. v. 2. Abrahams workes had glorie euen before God and he was iustified of then as S. Iames doth most expressely affirme PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Apologia Confess Augustanae c. de Iustif Reconciliation Reconciliation not by workes is not receaued by workes c. de Implet legis If anie thinke that he obtaineth remission of sinnes because
iustification and life euerlasting were to be gotten by workes And in Iacob 2. p. 549. he saieth that when S. Iames termeth faith that which is without workes he speaketh by imitation imitating them Faith without workes Mimetically who bragged of dead faith which is no faith as of liuelie and true faith Illyricus also in Claue tract 4. col 332. saieth that by imitation the Ghospell is called the law of faith Rom. 3. and faith a The Ghospell law of faith Mimetically worke Ioan. 6. and in like manner it is saied Make to your selues freinds of the mammon of iniquitie If we proue that those things which are written in the booke of wisdome were spoaken of Salomon because the praier to God which is in the 9. chapter can agree to no other Whitaker Controu 1. quaest 1. c. 12. answereth That might be done mimetically by imitation of the writer Salomon praieth to God Mimetically whosoeuer he was And the same saieth Rainolds Praelect 20. and. 21. As if imitations which are grounded in lyes and that in praiers to God were to be admitted in Scripture What other thing were this for Scripture but to imitate others in lyes and euen then when it speaketh to God And thus much of their Mimeses or imitation Now let vs see some of their hyperboles If we proue that faith may moue mountaines because Faith may moue mountaines Hyperbolically Christ saieth Math. 17. ver 20. If you haue faith as a mustard seed you shall say to this moūtaine Remoue from hence thither and it shall remoue Caluin ib. in v. 19. answereth It is certaine that it is an hyperbolicall kind of speach whē he saieth that by faith trees and mountaines may be remoued The same hath Illyricus vpon this place If we haue proue that almes deliuereth from sinne because Almes deliuereth from sinne Hyperbolically it is saied Tobie 4. v. 11. Almes deliuereth from all sinne and from death Vallada in his Apologie cit pag. 304. answereth This kind of speach of Tobie is hyperbolicall And Apologia Confess August c. de respons ad argum We will not say that it is an hyperbole albeit it must be so taken least it detract from the praise of Christ whose proper office is to deliuer from death and sinne If we proue that one man by his praier may procure One man procureth life to an o●her Hyperbolically life to an other because it is saied 1. Ioan. 5. vers 16. He that knoweth his brother to sinne a sinne not to death let him aske and life shal be giuen him sinning not to death Caluin ib. answereth If you vnderstand of man that he giueth life to his brother it is an hyperbolicall speach If we proue that God hath promised reward to good God rewardeth works Hyperbolically workes Zuinglius de Prouident c. 6. answereth These are hyperboles and hyperoches If thou wilt enter into life keepe the commandements Who shall doe the will of my father c. and what promises soeuer els are made to workes Thus they deuise hyperboles in Scripture and yet Pareus lib. 1. de Iustific cap. 15. and in Galat. 1. Lect. 9. saieth I dare not say that there is an hyperbole in Scripture sith it ouerlas heth the trueth and seemeth to be a kind of lie If we proue that faith can be without charitie because Faith without charitie A fiction S. Paul saieth 1. Cor. 13. v. 2. If I haue all faith so as I remoue mountaines and haue not charitie I am nothing P. Martyr ib. answereth The Apostle speaketh by fiction for to exaggerate the dignitie of charitie Who seeth not that Paul speaketh here hyperbolically And in Rom. 11. When the Apostle Impossible Charitie extolled by fiction by all means extolled charitie he vsed a fiction for to extoll it But Luther Postilla in Domin Quinquagesimae saieth Paul brought an impossible example If we proue that faith may be without workes because S. Iames saieth cap. 2. v. 18. Shew me thy faith without Faith without workes workes Caluin ib. answereth In that he biddeth shew faith without workes he argueth from an impossible thing And in v. 17. It is cleare enough that the Apostle doth reason from an impossible thing If we proue that widdows marrying after they haue giuen their faith to the contrarie are damned because as S. Paul speaketh 1. Timoth. 5 vers 12. they haue made voide their first faith Caluin 4. Instit c. 13. § 18. answereth The Widows leese their first faith By Amplification Apostle for amplification sake addeth that they haue broken or made voide their first faith Wherefore in forme thus I argue Who not onely in so manie and so great matters contradict such words of Scripture and in such a sense as we haue seene but also in manie and great matters are forced to say that the Scripture seaketh ironically mimetically hyperbolically by way of fiction and of amplificatiō and by impossibilities they are to be thought to contradict the true sense of the Scripture But Protestants do so Therefore c. CHAPTER VIII THAT PROTESTANTS ARE COMpelled to turne the most generall propositions of the Scripture into particulars THE eight argument wherewith I will proue that Protestants cōtradict the true sense of holie Scripture shal be because in manie and weightie mattie to wit of God of Christ of the Church of Sacraments of faith and the like they are forced to turne the most vniuersall propositions of Scripture into particulars For touching God If we proue that he hath a will to haue mercie on all because Rom. 11. v. 32. it is saied God Touching God hath concluded all into incredulitie that he may haue mercie on all Beza ib. answereth The vniuersall particle All is to be restrained to wit as he saieth l. de Praedest cont Castel All that is Some p. 360. All who shall beleiue The like he hath in Colloq Montisbel p. 421. and in Resp p. 216. 223. and Caluin 3. Instit c. 24. § 17. But Zanchius l. 1. de Nat. Dei c. 2. tom 2. cal 562. saieth that this place and also that other Preach the Ghospell to euerie creature and the like belong onely to the elect If we proue the same because Sapient 11. v. 24. it is saied Thou hast mercie on all c. P. Martyr in Rom. 9. answereth But it easily appeareth that these things are to be vnderstood All that is Some of the vniuersall companie of the elect If we proue that God hath a will to saue all because 1. Timot. 2. v. 4 it is saied of God Who will all men to be saued Bucer in Math. 6. answereth That he saieth All is as much as if he had saied some of all Et Idem apud Zanchium l. de Perseuerant to 2. col 343. That place 1. Timoth. 2. Who will all and 1. Ioan. 2. He is the propitiation c. cannot be vnderstood but synechdochically for manie that is for
they change into particulars whensoeuer they make against them Which is so great and so manifest an abuse of Scripture as What some Protestants thing of turning vniuersall propositions into particulars some of themselues crie out against it For thus Iacobus Andreae in Colloq Montisbel p. 418. speaketh to Beza It is impietie to exclude anie man from this vniuersall promise p. 419. It is manifest impietie and abhominable doctrine contrarie to the expresse letter to make a particular promise of an vniuersall Et pag. 421. It is horrible to heare so manifest an vniuersall proposition to be made a particular Wherefore I thus frame my eight argument Who besides the foresaied opposition to the expresse words of Scripture are compelled in so manie and so great matters to change so manie and so manifest vniuersall propositiōs of the holie Scripture into particulars they are to be iudged to gainsay the true sense of the Scripture But Protestants do so Therefore c. And the more forcible this argument ought to be against them because themselues teach That as often as there is an vniuersall proposition in Scripture it must not be limited by anie distinction vnlesse that be grounded vpon certaine and cleare words of Scripture For otherwise euerie doctrine may be deluded by subtilitie of distinctions So Gerlachius tom 2. disp 24. CHAPTER IX THAT PROTESTANTS DO LIMITATE manie vnlimited Propositions of the Scripture MY ninth argument that Protestants contradict the true sense of Scripture I will take frō thence that they are forced to limitate manie vnlimitated propositions of Scripture touching great matters as of God of Christ of the Church and the like For if we proue that God doth not at all tempt to euil Touching God because S. Iames saieth absolutely c. 1. v. 13. God is no tempter of euill and he tempteth no man P. Martyr in locis clas 1. c. 15. § 9. answereth When Iames denieth that God tempteth he denieth it not altogether but in that sorte in which those carnall Christians of his time did affirme him to tempt as if they when they sinned had not beene in fault Caluin vpon this place He speaketh here of inward temptations which are nothing but inordinate desires which prouoke vs to sinne And he rightly denieth God to be author of them Pareus l 2. de Amiss Grat. c. 8. Iames doth not remoue from God simply all temptation but onely the inward temptation and such as may make a man excusable If we proue that God willeth not iniquitie at all that is nether for it selfe nor for anie other thing because ps 1. v. 5. it is saied without anie limitation Thou wilst not iniquitie they limitate this saying manie waies as that God willeth not iniquitie for it selfe or by his word or by allowance or delighte in it as appeareth by what we rehearsed l. 1. c. 2. art 1. If we proue that God of himselfe willeth not the death of anie man because he saieth Ezech. 33. v. 11. I will not the death of the wicked and c. 18. v. 32. I will not the death of him that dieth Zanchius l. 3. de Nat. Dei c. 4. q. 4. answereth If thou vrgest the word I will not the death of a sinner and that God speaketh of his good pleasure I say that place is to be vnderstood of the elect onely Beza 2. art resp ad Acta Montisbel p. 196. That restriction of conuersion sheweth that this is to be vnderstood onely of them to whome is graunted the grace of conuersion which surely is proper to the elect Piscator in Thesib l. 2. p. 187. The Prophet speaketh not here of euerie sinner but of him onely that is conuerted But Luther lib. de seru arbitr tom 2. fol. 450. saieth God willeth manie things which by his word he sheweth that he willeth not So he will not the death of a sinner to wit by word but he willeth it by his vnsearchable will If we proue that God willeth the conuersion of euerie sinner because he saieth without limitation Ezech. 33. v. 11. I will not the death of the wicked but that he be conuerted and liue Caluin l. de Praedest p. 786. and de Prouident p. 737. answereth God is saied to will life as he is saied to will pennance and this he willeth because by his words he inuiteth all to it but this is not contrarie to his secret counsaile wherein he hath decreed to conuert none but his elect Piscator in Thesibus lib. 2. pag. 236. saieth That God speaketh there of the wicked who is conuerted If we proue that Christ euen as he is God would gather those who will not be gathered because he saieth absolutely Math. 23. v 37. How often would I gather together thy children as the hen doth goth gather together her chickins vnder her wings and thou wouldest not Perkins de Praedest tom 1. col 157. answereth I say that Christ speaketh here not as he was God but as he was minister of the circumcision The same saieth Luther lib. cit fol. 451. and others If we proue that God calleth euen the reprobate because he saieth without limitation Apocal. 3. v. 20. I stand at the dore and knock Perkins loc iam cit answereth Those at whose dore Christ standeth are the faithfull and the conuerted If we proue that God euen by inward vocation calleth the reprobate because without all limitation it is saied Math. 23. v. 37. How often would I gather thy Children And Isaiae 65. v. 2. I haue spred fourth my hands all the day to an incredulous people And c. 5. v. 4. What is there that I ought to doe more to my vineyard and haue not done to it Et Prou. 1. v. 24. I haue called and you haue refused Contra-remonstrantes in Collat. Hagae p. 245. seq limitate all these sayings onely to outward calling And Pareus l. 1. de Grat. lib. arb c. 11. to onely calling by outwarde means After which manner Protestants also limitate those words Math. 22. v. 14. Manie are called but few are chosen If we proue that men may resist the holie Ghost speaking within them because without limitation it is saied Acts 7. v. 51. You haue alwaies resisted the holie Ghost Caluin ib. answereth They are saied to resist the holie Ghost who obstinately reiect him speaking by the Prophets for here is no speach of inward reuelations which God inwardly inspireth to anie but of the outward ministerie If we proue that Christ did not teach his Apostles all Touching Christ the points of faith because himselfe saieth Ioan. 16. v. 12. Yet manie things I haue to say to you but you cannot beare them now But when he the Spirit of trueth cometh he shall teach you all trueth they limite this to rites and discipline Beza ib These words are to be vnderstood of those things which pertained to the execution of the Apostolicall function and foundation of Churches If we proue that Christ was Mediator of