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A15733 An ansvvere to a popish pamphlet, of late newly forbished, and the second time printed, entituled: Certaine articles, or forcible reasons discouering the palpable absurdities, and most notorious errors of the Protestants religion. By Anthony Wotton Wotton, Anthony, 1561?-1626.; Wright, Thomas, d. 1624. Certaine articles or forcible reasons. 1605 (1605) STC 26002; ESTC S120304 112,048 194

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have_v new_a sin_n daily_o to_o be_v forgive_v the_o point_n will_v be_v make_v more_o plain_a in_o the_o explication_n of_o our_o opinion_n but_o none_o but_o a_o mad_a man_n or_o infidel_n will_v demand_v of_o god_n the_o creation_n of_o the_o world_n the_o incarnation_n of_o christ_n the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n all_o which_o he_o be_v assure_v by_o faith_n be_v already_o give_v if_o a_o man_n be_v full_o assure_v that_o these_o thing_n be_v already_o accomplish_v he_o can_v without_o sin_n demand_v of_o god_n the_o accomplish_n of_o they_o but_o if_o there_o arise_v in_o his_o mind_n some_o doubt_n concern_v the_o certainty_n thereof_o he_o may_v and_o must_v entreat_v the_o lord_n to_o reveal_v the_o truth_n unto_o he_o and_o to_o confirm_v unto_o he_o the_o assurance_n of_o it_o though_o his_o doubt_v indeed_o be_v sin_n yet_o have_v we_o no_o just_a cause_n nor_o sufficient_a warrant_n to_o condemn_v this_o doubt_a faith_n of_o flat_a infidelity_n as_o this_o rigorous_a papist_n do_v who_o never_o feel_v it_o shall_v seem_v what_o conflict_n there_o be_v betwixt_o faith_n and_o frailty_n now_o the_o proposition_n and_o assumption_n be_v both_o faulty_a how_o can_v the_o conclusion_n be_v without_o fault_n therefore_o this_o former_a proof_n not_o be_v able_a to_o abide_v the_o proof_n let_v we_o try_v the_o latter_a which_o must_v thus_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o author_n purpose_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o first_o proposition_n whosoever_o demand_n that_o which_o he_o hope_v not_o to_o obtain_v sin_n grievous_o in_o demand_v it_o by_o not_o hope_v to_o obtain_v that_o which_o be_v demand_v there_o d._n d._n be_v no_o reproof_n imply_v of_o pray_v without_o hope_n as_o if_o it_o be_v his_o meaning_n to_o exhort_v we_o to_o trust_v or_o hope_v in_o god_n for_o that_o indeed_o concern_v not_o this_o reason_n but_o he_o signify_v that_o a_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o pray_v for_o that_o of_o the_o obtain_v whereof_o there_o can_v be_v no_o hope_n because_o we_o be_v already_o in_o possession_n of_o it_o which_o proposition_n of_o he_o be_v only_o so_o far_o true_a as_o it_o belong_v to_o he_o that_o know_v he_o have_v the_o thing_n he_o pray_v for_o and_o that_o appear_v by_o his_o proof_n for_o that_o which_o a_o man_n see_v wherefore_o do_v he_o hope_v it_o that_o be_v a_o man_n have_v no_o reason_n to_o hope_v for_o that_o which_o he_o be_v sure_a he_o have_v for_o hope_n be_v of_o thing_n to_o 24_o rom._n 8._o 24_o come_v as_o also_o the_o word_n immediate_o before_o plain_o show_v hope_v that_o be_v see_v be_v not_o hope_v therefore_o he_o only_o sin_n grievous_o in_o pray_v for_o that_o he_o possess_v who_o know_v he_o do_v possess_v that_o he_o pray_v for_o but_o he_o that_o stand_v in_o doubt_n whether_o he_o have_v the_o thing_n or_o no_o which_o he_o be_v desirous_a of_o may_v without_o this_o blame_n make_v mean_n to_o get_v it_o though_o he_o have_v it_o already_o because_o he_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o he_o have_v it_o howsoever_o it_o may_v be_v he_o have_v some_o persuasion_n of_o the_o possession_n thereof_o but_o whosoever_o be_v assure_v by_o faith_n that_o his_o sin_n be_v forgiu●●_n he_o in_o ask_v god_n pardon_v demand_n that_o which_o he_o have_v no_o hope_n to_o obtain_v the_o former_a answer_n of_o the_o measure_n of_o the_o assurance_n argue_v this_o assumption_n of_o falsehood_n because_o a_o man_n may_v by_o faith_n true_o believe_v that_o his_o sin_n be_v forgive_v and_o yet_o not_o full_o or_o certain_o be_v resolve_v thereof_o in_o regard_n whereof_o he_o may_v and_o aught_o to_o sue_v for_o pardon_n but_o all_o true_a protestant_n be_v assure_v by_o faith_n that_o their_o sin_n assumption_n principal_a assumption_n be_v
so_o without_o warrant_n from_o he_o in_o every_o matter_n contrary_a to_o he_o reveal_v commandment_n blasphemous_a therefore_o and_o not_o be_v think_v on_o by_o any_o christian_n much_o less_o utter_v be_v these_o consequent_n and_o especial_o the_o last_o of_o they_o which_o infer_v that_o god_n be_v worse_a than_o the_o devil_n because_o neither_o do_v god_n as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v impel_v or_o induce_v any_o man_n to_o sin_n and_o though_o he_o shall_v for_o cause_n know_v only_o to_o himself_o incline_v as_o austin_n say_v the_o heart_n of_o man_n to_o evil_a thing_n yet_o be_v it_o still_o blasphemous_a to_o deny_v the_o justice_n of_o his_o judgement_n whatsoever_o profane_a flesh_n and_o blood_n imagine_v o_o man_n 20._o rom._n 9_o 19_o 20._o what_o be_v thou_o that_o dispute_a with_o god_n shall_v the_o clay_n etc._n etc._n article_n 6._o papist_n that_o faith_n once_o have_v may_v be_v lose_v protestant_n this_o point_n it_o shall_v seem_v stick_v in_o this_o man_n stomach_n he_o be_v so_o much_o trouble_v with_o it_o art_n 5_o in_o the_o extravagant_a syllogism_n art_n 4._o the_o three_o point_n and_o here_o it_o make_v a_o whole_a article_n the_o principal_a syllogism_n be_v thus_o to_o be_v frame_v if_o david_n l●st_v his_o faith_n than_o faith_n once_o have_v may_v be_v lose_v but_o david_n lose_v his_o faith_n therefore_o faith_n once_o have_v may_v be_v lose_v the_o assumption_n of_o this_o syllogism_n he_o offer_v to_o prove_v in_o this_o manner_n papist_n whosoever_o leese_v his_o charity_n leese_v his_o faith_n a._n a._n but_o david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o charity_n ergo_fw-la david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o faith_n the_o mayor_n be_v a_o principle_n undoubted_a of_o in_o the_o school_n of_o protestant_n for_o they_o peremptory_o affirm_v that_o true_a faith_n such_o as_o be_v in_o david_n one_o of_o god_n elect_v can_v no_o more_o be_v sever_v from_o charity_n than_o heat_n from_o fire_n or_o light_n from_o the_o sun_n and_o therefore_o if_o david_n kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o charity_n no_o doubt_n but_o therewithal_o he_o lose_v his_o faith_n the_o minor_a i_o prove_v for_o whosoever_o remain_v in_o death_n b._n b._n be_v without_o charity_n but_o david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n remain_v in_o death_n ergo_fw-la david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n be_v without_o charity_n if_o he_o be_v without_o that_o which_o once_o he_o have_v no_o doubt_n but_o than_o he_o lose_v it_o for_o he_o be_v deprive_v thereof_o for_o his_o sin_n the_o mayor_n proposition_n of_o this_o last_o syllogism_n thus_o i_o prove_v for_o charity_n be_v the_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o it_o be_v as_o impossible_a for_o a_o man_n to_o have_v charity_n and_o remain_v in_o death_n as_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o a_o man_n to_o be_v dead_a in_o body_n and_o yet_o endue_v with_o a_o reasonable_a soul_n the_o minor_a can_v be_v deny_v to_o wit_n that_o david_n by_o kill_v urias_n remain_v in_o death_n for_o it_o be_v the_o express_a word_n of_o god_n qui_fw-la non_fw-la diligit_fw-la manet_fw-la in_o morte_fw-la he_o that_o lo●eth_v not_o his_o neighbour_n remain_v in_o death_n but_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o david_n love_v not_o urias_n when_o he_o kill_v he_o ergo_fw-la likewise_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o david_n remain_v in_o death_n the_o same_o position_n may_v easy_o be_v prove_v out_o of_o ezekiel_n 24._o ezech._n c._n 18._o ver_fw-la 24._o si_fw-mi autem_fw-la a●erterit_fw-la se_fw-la iustus_fw-la a_o iusticia_fw-la sva_fw-la etc._n etc._n protestant_n whosoever_o lose_v his_o charity_n lose_v his_o faith_n if_o by_o charity_n 10._o a._n rom._n 13._o 10._o you_o understand_v a_o absolute_a be_v without_o sanctification_n which_o be_v signify_v by_o charity_n because_o love_n be_v the_o fulfil_n of_o the_o law_n your_o proposition_n be_v true_a but_o your_o assumption_n be_v false_a if_o thereby_o you_o mean_v not_o perform_v some_o act_n of_o charity_n or_o do_v the_o contrary_a your_o proposition_n be_v false_a for_o not_o every_o one_o that_o fail_v in_o the_o performance_n of_o some_o duty_n of_o love_n or_o do_v some_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o love_n by_o such_o omission_n of_o good_a or_o commit_v of_o evil_n lose_v nor_o in_o deed_n may_v true_o be_v say_v to_o loose_v his_o charity_n though_o he_o sin_n against_o the_o law_n of_o charity_n in_o so_o do_v your_o proof_n be_v ground_v upon_o a_o misconceaving_a of_o the_o protestant_n principle_n which_o i_o expound_v in_o the_o 4._o article_n be_v of_o no_o force_n true_a faith_n such_o as_o we_o confess_v david_n be_v always_o after_o his_o call_n can_v no_o more_o be_v without_o love_n than_o the_o sun_n without_o light_n or_o the_o fire_n without_o heat_n but_o ●et_o he_o that_o have_v this_o faith_n and_o love_n may_v sometime_o neglect_v some_o duty_n of_o this_o love_n and_o do_v some_o work_n of_o hatred_n because_o his_o sanctification_n be_v unperfect_a his_o obedience_n also_o must_v needs_o be_v so_o but_o it_o neither_o fall_v out_o that_o such_o a_o man_n become_v again_o whole_o unregenerate_a by_o which_o mean_v only_o and_o by_o none_o other_o sanctification_n or_o love_n can_v be_v altogether_o lose_v but_o david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o charity_n nay_o rather_o if_o charity_n can_v be_v lose_v he_o then_o lose_v it_o when_o he_o commit_v ●_o ●_o adultery_n unless_o we_o shall_v say_v that_o either_o adultery_n be_v not_o against_o charity_n or_o that_o murder_n only_o &_o not_o adultery_n procure_v a_o deprivation_n of_o charity_n but_o david_n do_v not_o loose_v his_o charity_n by_o either_o or_o both_o of_o they_o though_o in_o each_o he_o grevous_o sin_v against_o the_o love_n of_o his_o neighbour_n which_o for_o murder_v this_o man_n grant_v for_o adultery_n that_o parable_n that_o nathan_n bring_v prove_v undoubted_o whosoever_o remain_v in_o death_n be_v without_o charity_n namely_o 2._o 2._o sam._n 12._o 1._o 2._o so_o far_o as_o he_o be_v in_o death_n if_o he_o be_v altogether_o in_o death_n he_o be_v whole_o without_o charity_n but_o a_o man_n may_v in_o respect_n of_o some_o sinful_a action_n be_v in_o death_n and_o yet_o for_o all_o that_o be_v true_o sanctify_v though_o not_o thorough_o in_o regard_v whereof_o he_o may_v &_o must_v be_v take_v for_o a_o sanctify_a man_n as_o in_o truth_n he_o be_v howsoever_o he_o do_v some_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o grace_n of_o sanctification_n according_a to_o the_o lust_n of_o his_o natural_a corruption_n he_o that_o have_v some_o of_o his_o member_n dead_a as_o his_o hand_n or_o his_o foot_n in_o respect_n of_o these_o part_n be_v dead_a and_o yet_o may_v be_v alive_a in_o all_o the_o other_o how_o much_o more_o may_v he_o then_o be_v true_o say_v to_o have_v live_v charity_n in_o he_o which_o fail_v in_o some_o one_o duty_n and_o that_o but_o of_o one_o part_n for_o a_o time_n bring_v forth_o notwithstanding_o many_o fruit_n of_o love_n even_o of_o the_o same_o kind_n of_o which_o that_o sin_n against_o love_n be_v what_o need_v any_o further_a answer_n to_o your_o proof_n then_o have_v already_o be_v give_v for_o in_o deed_n it_o be_v of_o no_o force_n unless_o that_o be_v grant_v which_o be_v the_o question_n that_o every_o act_n contrary_a to_o love_v draw_v love_n out_o of_o the_o soul_n so_o that_o a_o man_n thereby_o ceass_n to_o have_v any_o part_n of_o regeneration_n in_o h●m_n and_o this_o answer_n be_v sufficient_a though_o charity_n be_v in_o deed_n the_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n which_o be_v but_o a_o idle_a popish_a fancy_n or_o rather_o a_o sudden_a conceit_n of_o this_o quick_a disputer_n 17._o rom._n 1._o 17._o if_o there_o be_v any_o other_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n than_o god_n sure_o it_o be_v faith_n rather_o than_o love_v by_o which_o the_o righteous_a man_n live_v be_v it_o not_o enough_o for_o our_o papist_n to_o make_v love_n the_o form_n of_o faith_n but_o that_o they_o must_v have_v it_o 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