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A short discovery of the state of man before the fall, in the fall, and out of the fall againe : wherein is also laid open the ignorance and error of Robert Hall, preacher at Colebrooke in Buckinghamshire, and Edmund Board, of the same town, a professor ... / by W.B.
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Bayly, William, d. 1675.
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when he was made in the image of God and blessed selfe was not before transgression and Christ being the image of God without sin 2 Cor. 4 4 and man was made in the image of God before sin and transgression and selfe was blessed of God having dominion over the earth and the creatures then what or who stood he in if not in Chriât or what spirit was he guided and upheld by before transgression if not by the holy spirit or what was his fall and what fell he from when he transgressed did he fall from that which was earthly or from that which was holy pure and eternall of God yea or nay consider it But if any should say that mans firât state was earthly as these men have said then say I man fell from that which was earthly for he fell from his first state by transgression did he not fall from that which he transgressed or doe any now fall from that which is earthly or from that which is heavenly when they transgresse and sin against God Let Gods witnesse in you answer Object But doe not the scripture say the first man is of the earth earthly and the second is the Lord from heaven and as we have borne the image of the earthly so shall we beare the image of the heavenly 1 Cor 15 47. Answ Yea it doth so and the scriptures is true but he speakes of a miâtery verse 51. which the blinde cannot see and a leight minde in vanity and lust and rebellion against God cannot weigh the weight of holy mens words being from the light in them the just ballance neither can men by the wisedome of this world comprehend and discerne spirituall things Therefore must all people upon earth be brought to the light which they be lighted withall which comes from Christ the first and the laât the saviour out of transgression before they can see and know that state which was before sin and transgression was for in the dark thou cannot see things that differ iniquity is darkenesse but come to the light which condemnes sin and in it waite and thou wilt see a great difference between a state before sin and transgression was and a state in transgression between a state in peace and blessed of God in the image of God the son of God And a state under condemnation wrath and the curse of God out of his image out of his son a transgressor afraid of God without peace and the blessing of God for both these states Adam was in the first before he transgressed the other after transgression so the wages of sin is the curse and death which came by sin by transgression in which state Adam was drove from God into the earth Gen 3 24 and this image all transgressors have borne and the Apostle said yee were sometimes darkenesse c. envying ãâã ãâã living in malice hateing and hatefull Here was the image which they had borne but were waiting to beare another image to put on Christ and walk in him who is the image of God 2 Cor 4 4 the first and the last Rev 1 17 Now if any can say that the Apostle or them to whom he thus spake had ever borne that image which Adam was in before sin or transgression entered into the world then let me know when it was they bore it if thou shall say when they were infants having done neither good or evill they were in that state then let me query whether all men since transgression in the naturall state were not conceived in sin and borne in iniquity yea or nay and whether the Apostle and them he spoke to had any other birth before regeneration in Christ the way to God againe the truth the light the life the first and the last the image of God Object But how could Adam be in Chriât before Christ came into the world or was borne of the Virgin seeing Adam was made in the image of God long before could he be made in Christ or by Christ before Christ was how can these things be Answ The word Chriât in letters CHRIST was not known neither was there any occasion of them before man had transgressed and lost that life in and by which he was created but the power which was in that man or body which suffered without the gate of Jerusalem was before the body or creature was made and it was the power of the most high which overshaddowed the Virgin and said he a body hast thou prepared me marke this was the life and power in the bâdy which spoke in whom the fullnesse of the God-head dwelt and he spake and prayed to his father which was in him John 14 11 so though he was not known by them letters or the name CHRIST yet he was with the father glorified before the world began and was the word in the beginning John 1 1 by whom the world was made who said before Abraham was I am John 8 58 but the name or letters CHRIST was not untill many hundred yeares after so thou may see that the Chriât of God the word by whom all things was made was before it was made glorified with the father before Abraham and Adam and Moses and the names or letters were the image of God the blessed seed Then why was not man who was made in the image of God and blessed of God in that seed or power or image seeing the scripture saith he was made in Gods image and blessed of God Gen 1 26 28 or whethâr there be any blessing to more seeds then one and whether God did not say to Abraham in thy seâd shall all Nations upon earth be blessed Gen 22 18 and they that are Chriâts are Abrahams seed and heires according to promise Gal. 3 29 in Christ in the seed in the heire in the image of God which was before Abraham was is the promises and the blessing 2 Cor 1 20 yea and amen and not unto seeds Gal. 3.16 Again in those dayes before transgressiân was there was no need of a saviour or words or letters or names or preachings or teachings to bring man to God untill he had departed from him by transgression untill sin entered into the world and death by sin and darknâsse ignorance blindenesse captivity and bondage was there was no need to say beleeve in the light and come to the light and follow and obey it which shews you sin untill sin was and darknesse was sin could not be discovered where it was not or before it was there was no need to say know the Lord and feare the Lord and depart from evill and to tell of a redeemer untill ignorance transgression and bondage was and to say obey the Lord or his word vntill disobedience was so there was not need âo mention the name Christ at that time neither was it though that seed was a mistery hid from ages and generations the seed of the Woman which bruises the serpents head which was borne of
a virgin in due time and is yet hid to and in such as walk in darknesse and from all transgressors who love the evill and darkness rather then the light Now when Moses and Israell was in the wildernesse and when they sinned in the wildernesse there was a rock which followed them marke some thing that 's hard to âhem that sinneth and the Apostle said the rocke which followed them was Christ consider this well with a single eye he that was given for a leader and commander and goes before his own sheepe followeth them that sinned read within and he is the âight which lighteth every man that cometh into the world which is to lead up to God âgaine out of the world to the beginning before the transgression or hills was So that this one seed which was a rocke in Moses dayes to them that sinned and calâed a hard master by the sloathfull hath in processe of time many names though one âower in nature as he was called the word a child a son a stone the elect the foundation the doore the vine the lambe of God and slain from the foundation of the world and all that is in the world is the lust of the flesh the lust of the eye and the pride of âife 1 John 2 16 and he is called the lion of the tribe of Judah the saviour the redeemer the mediatour the way the truth the life the seed the wonderfull counsellour âhe mighty God the prince of peace the immanuell God with us the Messiah and Jesus which is called Christ all these names and more is given to the one seed now must people be pooring and imagining and contending about names letters and words which was given since the fall since transgression or be brought to the seed the word which was in the beginning the substance which was before the names and ends the names and the letters and the words and the imaginations strivings and contending about words to no profit and before transgression was who is the expresse image of the invisible God who now is come a light into the world and preacheth himselfe the light of the world John 8 12 and his witnesse declares him to be the true light that lighteth every man which cometh into the world full of grace and truth John 1 9 14. Now Reader if the blessed eye in thee be open and thou stand single in it thou wilt see someâhing in what I have written for the simple sake and for the truth sake and if thou can stand still and but see the truth then wilt thou see Robert Halâ teacher at Colebrooke and Edmund Board in blindnesse and error and with a lye in their right hand who said man in his first ââate before transgression who was the son of God in the image of God and blessâd of God âad not the holy spirit nor was in Christ but bare the earthly image and that the breath of ââfe which God breathed into man was a created thing let the sober minded with Gods witâesse the light in them judge whether that which made living be the created thing or that which was made living by it or whether a created thing can create and make living or whether that life in which we live move and have our being be the created or the creator let understanding judge Acts 17 28 Deut 30 20 Now this was the great error which Robert Hall charged against me viz. that I went to bring people from Christ to that state which Adam was in before the fall marke and consider and see what state Adam was in before the fall before transgression that was his fall and then see wherein I have erred if I had brought all people upon earth into that state or wherein I brings any from Christ as he hath said Adam before the fall was without sin before the fall was in the image of God in his state before the fall had dominion over the world and was the son of God in the likenesse of God before the fall was blessed of God Gen 1 Now if I had could or doe bring people to this state to be without sin to be in the image of God to be the sons of God to have dominion over the world to be blessed of God wherein is my error or what have I erred from herein or what are they erred from which are brought into this state let truth judge Now if any shall say we are erred from Christ or from God in Christ or from the spirit or from the doctrine of Christ I answer nay its he that transgresseth that abideth not in the doctrine of Christ and such hath not God 2 John 1 9 and the father son and spirit arâ one and Christ is the first and the last without sin before sin and transgression was the desire of all nations the image and son of God glorified with the father before the foundation of the world to him and into him is our desire that people should come in which seed only the blessing is Gen 22 18 Gal 3 16 1 John 3 9 which all in transgression be erred from Then it was askt Robert Hall what he went to bring people unto by his preaching He answered he went to bring them from that state marke that Now if any people were come into that state to be without sin in the image of God the sonnes of God having dominion over the world and blessed of God as at the first read Isa 1 25 26 is it noâ the worke of the divell of his ministers and messengers and angells to bring them out oâ this state is not this the same worke which the divell the old serpent did when he broughâ man from that state in which he was without sin and blessed of God at the first when hâ transgressed and was driven out of paradice peace rest joy into the earth where he becamâ earthly unsavoury unrighteous and unfruitfull to God and was it a work of the serpent then to bring from that state which God blessed whose blessing unchangeably and promises are ãâã the seed only and in the seed yea and amen 2 Cor 1 20 And is it not now the work of the divell the old serpent in Robert Hall and the rest of hââ minde to bring people from that state which of God is blessed let them that fear God judgâ and then see whose messenger and minister he is and whose will and work he doth and if he ãâã found doing the same work which the divell did when he brought man from his blessed staââ into transgression then whether the son of God the light of the world will not destroy hââ work seeing for this purpose he was manifested even to destroy the works of the diveââ 1 Joh 3 8 and whether he will not ãâ¦ã ⦠âher the wages of sin be not death and whether it be not a sin to bring people into sin from âhat state which God doth blesse yea or nay and whether