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A62886 The inconveniencies of toleration, or, An answer to a late book intituled, A proposition made to the King and Parliament for the safety and happiness of the King and kingdom Tomkins, Thomas, 1637?-1675. 1667 (1667) Wing T1835; ESTC R236045 34,802 42

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another sin paulò post It is their own erring judgment that intangleth them in a necessity of sinning till it be changed with much more to the same purpose in that whole Chapter throughout But after all this Dispute suppose at the last that it shold not be Conscience and in many of their Leaders we have great evidence that it is not so At the conference at Hampton Court before King James Dr. Reynolds Mr. Knewstub Mr. Chatterton did clamour as loud about Conscience as any now do or can But when the Arguments upon which their Consciences pretended to be founded were to their own Conviction all weighed and answered there was then desired an Indulgence for some few worthy and sober men because of their Credit And are we sure that Credit hath nothing to do in this Case Men are loath to use those Ceremonies lest they should lose the Credit of that zeal which hath formerly appeared so much against them BUT p 77. It is not the severity of Laws that can do any thing with the mind though it may with the outward man Force may make men Hypocrites not Converts to a Faith which is enjoyned c. To this we answer with St. Austin If it doth not remove the Error yet it may prevent its spreading If it doth not utterly take away the Cause yet it hinders most of its mischievous Effects And in a little time it may do the other too Heresie is not seated so solely and altogether in the Mind but St. Paul thinks fit to rank it among the works of the Flesh it hath often-times no sublimer Motives than many other of the most sensual Transgressions outward Considerations are very frequently its cause and may sometimes be its Cure And this our Author Himself assures us of That this is the best way to fetch in others who certainly will grow weary at the long run when they shall have work provided but no Benefice till they Conform One of his own Projects depends upon this that the having no Benefice will be a most effectual means to make them in time willing to Conform I shall only add to this that these are very bold Beggars who whilst they are pleading for Indulgence and Moderation cannot forbear to throw out threatnings If the Bishops will not c. They may write down in the Books of what shall hereafter befall them Moniti meliora p. c. This is something of the Strain of Martin Junior We have sought to advance this Cause of God by humble suit to the Parliament c. Seeing now the means used by Us have not prevailed if it come in by that means which will make all your hearts to ake blame your selves Bancrof out of Mart. p. 144. Dangerons Positions and practises There is one Concession behind which we are to thank our Author for that He seems p. 86 87 to hold it unlawful to expect Deliverance from any but the King We desire only to know whether all the Party which He pleads for be of that mind too Mr. Hocker assures Us that your Predecessors were of the opinion That their way was to be set up whether Her Majesty or the State will or no. Hooker Pref. out of Martin p. 28. and in the King 's large Declaration concerning the Tumults in Scotland p. 409. We meet with several of their positions laid down amongst which This is one It is Lawful for Subjects to make a Covenant and Combination without the King and to enter into a Band of Mutual Defence against the King and all Persons whatever and yet there were Two Acts of Parliament at that time in force which declared all such contrivances punishable with Death And we do not at all doubt but that if we had a mind to it we could give one considerable Instance within the Memory of Man how this whole Parcy here pleaded for did unanimously and with great Vigour list themselves apace did contribute their Persons Prayers and Purses toward the forming and maintaining of an Army to say no more not raised by the King It doth therefore highly concern these People publickly to disown their Predecessors and their own Principles and Practices or else they cannot expect to be believed in This so seemingly Loyal a Concession That it is unlawful to expect deliverance from any but the King I do not remember any other passage in this Proposition to be at all Considerable only one Notion he hath which is scattered up and down his Book that Penaltits and Rigour doth but alienate their minds farther from us whereas Indulgence would work upon their Affections and by degrees upon their Judgments Now on the other side we think and that upon the Grounds of Experience as well as Reason That there is not good nature enough in them for kind usage to work upon of this we shall give one but that shall be a most convincing Evidence The Kings Majesty immediately after his most happy Restauration being desirous to satisfie so many of all Parties as did not resolve for ever to remain unsatisfied did accordingly give so much respect to the clamours then made against the Liturgy as to order a review of it But withal did by his Declaration set forth about that affair desire that so many of Them as would be thought Conscientious or peaceable would in the mean time read so much of the Liturgy as themselves had no Exception against an easie request one would think Read only so much as you have no Exception against Here Conscience sure could not be pretended when their own Conscience nay their very jealousie was the only Rule which was set Them to walk by yet they stood it out only because there was no danger in standing out and after all the Act of Uniformity brought many of the fiercest to read the whole of that of which before they could not be brought to read a syllable so much is a Law more available than an Indulgence And as many did come in that Bartholomew-tide so had there not been so great expectation of a Toleration we have reason to believe that many more would have come in WE have now Considered every passage in this Treatise which seems to be any way Material and must take leave to profess that we are not able to guess what it is which this Author really would have and we farther believe that he himself cannot tell us Nor need we desire the Laws to continue in force any longer than till the Tender Consciences can agree what to have in the stead of them The Penner seems in one place to be one of the most Moderate and not to desire the removal of our present Constitutions but only a temporary Indulgence toward some Persons whom he thinks very well of as being in his Opinion men sober in their Judgments and in their Lives only they have got some odd Jealousies in their Heads which though the Apologist is verily perswaded that they have nothing in them