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A30961	The Winchcomb-papers revived wherein are contained some particulars concerning the govenment of the church, the liturgy and forms of prayer, the ordination and power of ministers, the administration of the Sacrament &c. : for the use of dissenting brethren.	Barksdale, Clement, 1609-1687.	1675 (1675)	Wing B810; ESTC R25862	79,287	210

and obtained leave for him to preach in his stead One of his reasons was that he might shew Mr. T. to his friends in that place and bring him into acquaintance with them For if you know Mr. B. you know him to be a lover of all learned men and very glad of any opportunity to serve them either by himself or by commending them to his more able friends Mr. T. having learnedly supplyed the place the chiefest of the Auditors after met at an Ordinary where Mr. Helme signified his dislike of so much Greek in a Sermon and of the Preachers concluding his prayer with the Lord's using this phrase before it meekly kneeling upon our knees This last censure was nothing pleasing to the company who were all well affected to the Orders of the Church and particularly a Minister of note in these parts Mr. M. a little man but full met all fell sharply upon Mr. H. What saith he reject the Lords prayer I come no more into your company And I think he was as good as his word Mr. T. soberly said as much as was fit for the time and place in defense of himself to the content of the worthy Gentlemen and the rest present Mr. H. desired that any man of a different mind from him would send him his thoughts in writing And this was the occasion of The first Letter of Mr. B. to Mr. H. Junii 13. 51. SIR My respects remembred I take leave to trouble you with this Paper fearing lest the Discourse that past on Tuesday create some further unnecessary dispute For preventing whereof it will be good I think to mark what is the meaning of both parties I conceive 't is this You lay by the Lord's prayer not as if you did not hold it to be a prayer lawfull yea and commendable to be used in the prayers of the Church so the Divines of the Assembly call it p. 18. 19. of the Directory And you would have people know that we may pray very acceptably though not in those very words And so whereas it is conceived some have set up that to the disadvantage of other prayers or perhaps been a little superstitious in honouring the former you would bend the stick the other way and by omitting for a time the use of the words though you keep the matter still teach people to regard the sense as the onely thing Wherein you are not I think opposed by the other side who hold the prayer to have been used by Christ's appointment by the Disciples and fit to be used by us How can this be denied yet do not deny but the words may lawfully be omitted and the sense kept And surely it were a very great restraint of Devotion to confine it to any Forms whatsoever my particular necessities being not particularly provided for by the forms of any other Which necessities yet my heart may much desire to open to God And the like may be said sometime of a Congregation So that as every Christian must labour to express himself in private beyond forms so every Minister must endeavour after the Ability to deliver to God the needs of his people as the exigent shall require And the exigent doth not always admit of preparation To conclude we gladly use the help our Lord and his servants that have gon beore us have afforded us We value their prayers and use them We do also after their pattern and agreeable to them frame other prayers for our use And yet after all prepared prayer the Christian Soul must be allowed her sudden ejaculations and extemporall ascensions to the Throne of Grace What would you have more c. The Answer given to this letter was civill and so was the Reply but neither is found Only Mr. Barksdale remembreth he sent Mr. Medes Diatribae with his next letter and commended some of the discourses to Mr. Helme who answerd that Mr. Mede lived in the time of the Prelates and no wonder if he did serve that time wherein surely he mistook the Genius of that excellent scholar whose learning was accompanyed with equall integrity as the Reader may finde by his Epistles and life since published Mr. Helme his conclusion then was that he would avoid controversies and preach Christ unto the people And thus far all was fair between him and Mr. Barksdale and so it continued till Mr. Helme began more and more to alienate himself from all neighbouring Ministers except some few more suitable to his own mind with whom alone he gave out he would supply the Lecture And accordingly when another came to preach he denyed him and took the pulpit himself and there deliver'd such things which occasioned Another Letter of Mr. Barksdale to Mr. Helme Maii 26. 52. Vincat Veritas Vivat Charitas SIR I much commend what you said well of brotherly union and love but cannot away with this new business of separation Fraternall Admonition also I much desire should be more practised but suspension before Admonition I cannot allow of Clearly my opinion is notwithstanding all that I have heard from you and your Brethren that Ministers are not to be condemn'd by you for administring the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper in their Congregations though mixed And for the proof here of I do humbly tender unto you and yours these following Reasons which I shall be ready to enlarge and press more Logically if it be desired 1. Because of Christ's precept Do this in remembrance of me This remembrance should be frequent and not delayed from year to year on pretence of unpreparedness 2. I argue from Christ's example As he washed the feet of Judas among the rest so if you will hear the Expositors antient and recent of best account he admitted Judas to the Sacrament though he well knew his unworthiness and Ministers do not know the unworthiness of those they admit but hope the best upon their profession 3. From the Apostles words Ye shew forth the Lords death The Lords death is shewed forth to the Ear of the unworthy Hearer why may it not to the Eye also of the Receiver though in the Event he prove unworthy 4. From those words of the Apostle where he saith The word is the savour of death to some Yet the danger of that must not hinder Ministers from preaching in mixt Congregations and therefore the danger of the unworthiness of some Receivers must not hinder the administration of the Sacrament 5. I allege the example of the Apostles who upon profession of Faith Baptized whole multitudes and no doubt communicated with them although it appeared after that they were not all right 6. St. Paul directing his Epistles to mixt Congregations calls them all Saints because of their holy calling and profession and those that are Saints in reputation may be admitted 7. In the Church of Corinth were many disorderly persons besides the incestuous person that were admitted And 1 Cor. 11. Where he blames their comming together for the worse he forbids

Temporall Governors power Spirituall B. The power of Civill Magistrates in matters of religion is called Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall in respect of the object of it about which it is conversant not in respect of the manner of operating For the supreme powers do not minister in holy things in the Word and Sacraments and censures but they take care and provide that these ministrations be rightly and orderly performed H. But how prove you an appeal to be made to the highest power in a Church-case B. Saint Paul appealed unto Caesar Act● 25. 10 11. Tr. Yea but that appeal was in a cause concerning sedition B. Hear himself speak For the Resurrection of the dead am I called in question Act. 23. 6. W. That was said in policy to divide the Pharisees and Sadduces B. However the Apostle spake nothing but the truth as appears also by the words of Festus Act. 23. 19. The question was whether he might preach Jesus and the Resurrection Tr. That Caesar was Nero a heathen tyrant and persecutor a fit man to meddle with Religion B. He was it seems fir for Paul to appeal unto for want of a better and had he acquitted the Apostle he had thereby given him a right against the Jews See Grotius of Authority concerning this particular and the whole matter As for the Supremacy of Christian Kings this is one argument If the Jewish Kings had power in matters of Religion then have the Christian Kings the like power But the Jewish Kings c. To. Let me adde another Argument out of the Prophet concerning the Christian Church Kings shall be her nursing Fathers and Queenes her nursing Mothers W. Read out the verse and you are answered They shall bow down to thee with their faces to the earth Is 49. 23. Here is subjection rather than superiority To. A superiority of Government and Patronage is included in the name of Father but these Fathers are Sons of the Church too in another sense and subject to the spirituall guides of their soules subjection and Government may consist together in severall respects B. Will you turne to the Text in Matth. 18. once more and hear a fair Interpretation of it out of the Excellent Paraphrast Tell it to the Church i. e. to the Rulers of the Assemblies Verily I say unto you to you the designed Rulers of the Church and your Successors the Bishops H. Enough enough pray who is your Author there B. Regard not so much who as what No matter whose the words are if they cleer the Text. This Author Mr. Tr. shews you the true sense of the next verse concerning two or three It is the manner of Scripture where severall things are mentioned to resume the last first and so go back In this retrogradous order the Power of the Church which was last mentioned is spoken of v. 18. and then the two or three are again mentioned which were spoken of v. 16. I will cleer it if you please by sundry the like passages See in of Binding and Loosing pag. 12. c. W. We have enough of you already I would not goe over the door sill to Dispute with one upon whose spirit I see so much of the Pope B. No Gloster-Hall man would say so but you And you say so because you have nothing else to say I am far from Popery and I doubt you are neer it with your Independency Col. A. But Pray-thee what Author have you there on the Text B. I will obey you It is the great ornament of the English Church the Learned and pious Doctor Hammond W. c. An Arminian an Arminian To. That 's a very indirect answer when the words alleged tend not to Arminianism but to the support of Christianism B. I feared you would cast some aspersion upon this Brave Man and therefore would have concealed his name under a silent veneration But you are mistaken when you think the Doctrine of Universall Redemption Arminianism It was the Doctrine of the Church of England before Arminius was born Wee learn it out of the old Church-Catechism I believe in Jesus Christ who redeemed me all mankind And the Church hath learned it out of the plaine Scripture where Christ is the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the World c. To. God would have all men to be saved Therefore Christ is the Redeemer of all men Col. A. Paul in that Text to Tim speaks de generibus singulorum not de singulis generum B. S. Paul speaks de singulis generum for elsewhere it is said Christ tasted death for every man Heb. 2. 9. a convincing Text. W. There is a distinction of voluntas signi beneplaciti B. If God hath signified and revealed to us that he would have all men to be saved then it is most true that he would have All men to be saved But he hath signified c. He knows not to lye or to dissemble C. I desire to propose an Argument in this Question if you please to answer me B. Most willingly You are a courteous Gentleman C. If Christ died for all men then shall all men be saved But all men shall not be saved Therefore B. I deny the sequel of your major C. Christ cannot fail of his intention Therefore if Christ died for all men all men shall be saved B. I deny your Antecedent C. To fail of ones intention argues imperfefection But you must not lay any imperfection upon Christ B. No by no meanes Therefore I answer One may fail of his intention two waye either by ones own fault or by the fault of another to whom good is intended Christ failes of his intention not through his own fault but ours he is not wanting to us we are wanting to our selves And I beseech you all dear Christians take heed of conceiving hard thoughts of God of Christ as if he would the death of a sinner Tr. God in his eternall Purpose hath appointed to save some and to damne others B. The purpose of God is absolute or conditionall God purposeth not the damnation of any absolutely but Conditionally upon his refusall of the meanes And for election consider what the Apostle saith He hath chosen us in Christ Eph. 1. 4. See also the judicious Mr. Hooker's distinction of Gods generall inclination and his occasioned Will lib. 5. s 49. Wherefore Beloved I charge you again Take heed that you think not ill of God and of Christ as if he were not really and sincerely willing you should be saved Hear Christ mourning affectionately over Jerusalem How oft would I and thou wouldst not Hear God speaking most pathetically in the Prophet As I live saith the Lord I desire not the death of a sinner Will you not take his word Take his Oath As I live saith the Lord I desire not the death of a sinner but that he turn from his way and live Turn ye Turn ye why will ye dye O house of Israel Turn yee Turn