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A02990 A friendly triall of the grounds tending to separation in a plain and modest dispute touching the lawfulnesse of a stinted liturgie and set form of prayer, Communion in mixed assemblies, and the primitive subject and first receptacle of the power of the Keyes: tending to satisfie the doubtfull, recall the wandering, and to strengthen the weak: by John Ball. Ball, John, 1585-1640. 1640 (1640) STC 1313; ESTC S122227 213,948 338

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not uttered without premeditation settled and digested or at least which is not immediately suggested by the Spirit in respect of words and phrase of speech If the latter then devised worship is not forbidden in the second commandment but worship devised by another For that prayer which should be pure worship if devised by a mans self is unlawfull worship when devised by another And so devised worship or prayer is not condemned but worship or prayer devised by another man And if this be not the devise of man I know not what is Can this alter the nature of the worship in the hearer or him that joyneth that the words in prayer are invented by another studied by the governour or more suddenly conceived In the judgement of some Divines the three first commandments are thus distinguished each from other That the first commandment conteineth all those our duties towards God which are naturall The second all those duties in Gods speciall worship which are instituted and either of these is both inward and outward The third commandment requireth the well using of both these and of all other things which come of God If this distinction be allowed a stinted form as such doth not at all belong to the second commandment For instituted worship and not the order or manner of performance is the matter of the second commandment Stinted prayer is unlawfull because a man in devising it doth not exercise his own gifts Though he exercise not his gifts in devising it in reading or uttering it as a prayer he may set his understanding judgement faith hope love humility fervency and other graces of Gods Spirit on work And if the minister do not may not the people exercise their gifts in hearing and so though it be unlawfull to him it is not so to them Stinted prayer voluntarily taken up upon a mans self is not so much unlawfull but prayer imposed upon men because in such case they subject themselves to mans ordinance in Gods worship This is a strange description of mans ordinance in the worship of God or of worshipping God after the ordinances of men For thence it will follow that the same devised worship voluntarily taken up hath some allowance as the ordinance of God and ceaseth onely to be of God when it is imposed Whereas the ordinances of men in Gods worship condemned in scripture are not mere matters of order forms of words and phrases circumstances of time and place determined by men according to the generall rules but matters of worship devised besides and against the word of God and are unlawfull whether voluntarily taken up and devised of our selves or imposed by others A prescribed set form is not agreeable to the word of God for circumstance because the prescribing of it is to set apart or sanctifie it for such an use without Gods command and so to idolize it above other prayers In what sense a stinted form of prayer is or may be set apart hath been shewed before But this description of setting apart or prescribing is a mere devise barely affirmed without any shew of reason What is here objected against a prescribed form may be affirmed of a prescribed place time and order for the celebration of Divine ordinances which are of the same nature with it and no more determined by the word of God And suppose the minister or governour maintein some erroneous conceit touching the prescribed form of prayer are the people children or servants hereby authorized to withdraw themselves from such prayers or the prayers themselves made unacceptable to such as know how to use them aright One man is of opinion that a prescribed form is better then another another that a prescribed form is unlawfull one that it is best ordinarily to use a stinted form another that he is to pray alwayes according to the present occasion in a different order and phrase of speech In these cases if the least errour do stain the prayers to others that they may not lawfully joyn together with whom shall the faithfull joyn at all Is not this to fill the conscience with scruples and the church with rents Errours and abuses personall they rest in the persons so erring and stain not others It is harsh to affirm that such hath been the estate of the church ever since the death of the apostles almost if not before that a Christian could not without sinne joyn with any publick assembly in prayer or participation of the sacraments that he must either separate from the prayers of the assembly and depart from the sacraments or derogate from the authoritie of God and worship him after the ordinances of men For if such was the state of the Christian church from that time what is become of those great and pretious promises made to the church in the times of the Messias Did the church begin to draw and give up her breath both in one day Many things were amisse in the church many corruptions did begin to bud in the apostles times and after their departure did put forth with greater vigour and the saints of God I doubt not offended many wayes through ignorance and infirmity which God in mercy was pleased to pardon unto them But that the state and condition of the church was such that a Christian could not hold communion in prayer and the sacraments with the churches of God is contrary to the many promises in scripture made to the churches of the New Testament It is true the scripture doth forewarn us of an apostasie from the faith and the mystery of iniquity began to work in the apostles dayes and after their death things declined more and more But that within an age or two after the apostles departure out of this life things were so corrupted that the godly might not hold communion with the church in prayer and participation of the sacraments is more then an advised Christian will dare to affirm or think But if a stinted form of prayer be unlawfull both to minister and people to him that administers according to it and them that joyn a Christian might not safely joyn in any church-assembly or congregation in prayer or participation of the sacraments within few ages after the death of the apostles if at all Unlawfull commands in matters of religion especially cannot be obeyed without sinne Hos 5. 11. and it is a sinne to walk after them many wayes In matters of religion if the commands of men be contrary to the commands of God for substance or matter of the thing commanded we must obey God rather then men But if the command of man be for substance of matter agreeable to the rules of scripture pressed onely with too great strictnesse or severitie it is not evermore against God nor our superiours nor the present age and posterity nor ourselves to yield obedience If it be an holy form of baptisme voluntarily to baptize into
maketh our joyning with the assembly sinfull to us whereas if the evils were unexpected the danger would not be alike And thus it was with them who congregated to heare the scribes and Pharisees It is not for them that earnestly oppose all humane inventions to ward off a blow by humane devises When God commandeth my presence at his ordinance why should the corruption foreknown in the manner of administration without my consent or approbation any more defile then that which falleth out unexpected Or if it should nothing can be alledged more impertinently For the corruptions of the Pharisees in perverting the law were ordinary and common well known to all men and so reproved by our Saviour as a thing notorious And the like may be said of the disorders in the churches of Corinth and Rome for if the knowledge thereof came to the Apostle absent and at that time in prison by the information of the brethren of necessitie it must be known to the members of the churches The faithfull therefore when they joyned in the ordinances of worship with these assemblies neither did nor could pretend ignorance of these things There is a broad difference to be put betwixt the sinne committed by persons with whom I communicate and the corruption put upon the ordinance in which I communicate If the sinne of him with whom I communicate be manifest and known the ordinance of God is corrupted by it one way or other And if I be defiled with all known corruption whatsoever it is not materiall to the point in hand how those corruptions differ in their specificall nature The question is Whether all presence at the ordinances of God in some respect corruptly or disorderly administred contract guilt in him that is onely present in obedience to Gods commandment and hath no calling from God to testifie peculiar or speciall dislike It may be of some use here to shew what corruptions be fundamentall and what not what pernicious to be tolerated and what not when a man hath a calling to testifie against abuses and when not But to speak of the specificall difference betwixt abuses of the same kind or degree is quite wide of the mark This will easily be yielded because communion in the ordinances of worship is as well denied when wicked men are admitted to the sacrament as when it is administred in a devised or stinted Liturgie as it is called It was never questioned by right-believing Christians but the faithfull by Gods approbation might hold communion with the churches in the ordinances of worship for some ages after the death of the apostles The church continued a virgin all the dayes of the apostles as Hegesippus noteth But immediately after their death innumerable evils crept in began to spring amain neverthelesse the faithfull might did and ought to hold communion together in the proper and substantiall means of worship That many things were amisse in the churches is not denied and that the faithfull through ignorance did offend in many things but in this that they held communion notwithstanding such abuses amongst them they are blamelesse For a time the faithfull did lie hid in Babylon by Gods approbation untill the exhortation was given from heaven to come out of her and touch no unclean thing Not that they might touch any unclean thing at any time that is either in practice or consent and liking stain themselves with the corruptions of the world But that they might lie hid in the midst of much confusion and neither like nor consent unto the evils which they did bewail but could not reform That exhortation from heaven Come out of her my people come out of her c. some interpret of a locall departing out of the citie of Rome as Lot went out of Sodom and that interpretation the text seemeth to favour because the very outward destruction of the place is in that chapter menaced and therefore the removing out of the very place in avoydance of the mischief coming upon it forewarned But most commonly it is applied to a spirituall coming out of Babylon in separating from the societie and communion of that church wherein they could lie hid no longer without defilement And hence some conclude that this departure was to be made at a certain definite time when God was pleased to go before the faithfull and furnish them for this end and purpose But untill the time of freedome was proclaimed the faithfull did and might so lie hid in Babylon as not to be partakers of her sinnes For there is a certain order of the Revelation fitted to the order of times And as there is a time to speak and a time to keep silence but no time to lie so there is a time for the church to figh and lie hid but no time to dissemble or defile her self And as the Israelites offended not when they removed not out of Egypt before Moses was sent thither of God so neither did the faithfull transgresse in that they departed not out of Babylonish captivitie before they were called of God the time of liberty was proclaimed and God shewed them whither to flie To live in captivitie untill freedome be published is a misery not a sinne In that condition care must be to keep pure and undefiled but not to run away without leave or licence from God Whatsoever is to be thought of this application of the text herein all orthodox interpreters consent and agree that after the church was stained with manifold abuses the faithfull did and ought to hold communion with her in the means of worship But if simple presence be approbation of every thing that is judged to be done amisse in the worship of God a Christian could at no time that can be named in no age since the death of the apostles hold communion with the church of God in the ordinances and means of grace For it is as lawfull to be present at the worship prayers or administration which is read out of a book in some things faulty as to be present at that service where the scriptures are read out of a translation in many things faulty and corrupt in which many things are added diminished altered and changed But in the primitive churches the faithfull must be present if at all at the worship of God when the scriptures were read out of a faulty translation For to say nothing of the corruptions of the Seventy Interpreters which as Bellarmine confesseth had gathered many stains and blots in three hundred yeares of necessity the translations which were derived from it of which sort were most in the primitive church can be no lesse corrupt For no man before Hierome ever translated the books of the Old Testament out of the originall into Latine but out of the Seventy And the same may well be thought of most vulgar translations where the Greek or Latine were not in
in their meal lest they be sowred with their leaven The comparison of the leaven used by the Apostle is to be understood in likenesse of nature not in their equality of effecting For leaven sowreth naturally and cannot but sowre the meal the godly may be hurt by the wicked but it is not necessary Therefore every member must look warily to himself and do his endeavour to reclaim other or that he may be cast out if notorious and incorrigible but not withdraw himself from the ordinances of grace The doctrine of the Gospel is compared to leaven in respect of its efficacy but all that heare it are not seasoned by it though it be a good means of seasoning The corrupt doctrine of the Pharisees is compared to old leaven but every one that heard it was not necessarily tainted with it It is true if the whole church shall bear with scandalous notorious offenders and do not their endeavour to bring them to repentance or to have them cast out they are polluted and stained by their remissenesse indulgence and this is that which the Apostle presseth upon the Corinthians that they should give all diligence to clear themselves and prevent the danger which might come by their negligence But if the church be remisse or slack the private men who mourn for what they cannot amend and labour conscionably to discharge their duties may not separate from the communion or withdraw themselves from the Lords table For the Apostle who blameth the Corinthians because they suffered the incestuous person doth never blame the faithfull for communicating with him before he was cut off nor intimate unto them that unlesse he did amend they must absent themselves from their assemblies and holy exercises or depart away being come together They that have authority to debarre men from the sacrament sin if wittingly or negligently they allow such to approch as worthy guests to the Lords table who are known unto them notoriously to be unworthy but if authoritie be wanting if we have done the office of private Christians or publick ministers to communicate with the wicked outwardly in the worship of God is none offense And thus the minister may reach the sacrament to an unworthy communicant and yet be innocent For he doth not so much give it him as suffer his communion because he hath not power or authority to put him back He reacheth him the signes as that which he cannot withhold because he is held in by the most prevailing power without which he cannot be debarred In this case the minister is neither actour nor consenter in his admission because he doth it not in his own name but according to the order established by God who will not have any member of the congregation publickly denied his interest and right to the holy things of God by the knowledge will and pleasure of one singular minister If a minister know a man to be unworthy he must yet receive him because he cannot manifest it to the church And for the same reason if his unworthinesse be notorious if it be not so judged by them that have authority he must administer the sacramentall signes unto him not as unto one worthy or unworthy but as unto one as yet undivided from them A man is not onely bound in his place to do his best for the reclaiming of his brother but to see his place be such as wherein he may orderly discharge the duties of admonition otherwise both his practice and place are unlawfull This is not sufficient that we labour by the best means to have manifest evils amended except our places be such and we in such churches as wherein we may use the ordinary means Christ hath left for the amendment of things otherwise our places and standings themselves are unwarrantable and must be forsaken If all places and standings be unwarrantable wherein we may not use the ordinary means God hath left for the amendment of things then all places are unlawfull wherein the greatest part of the church at least do not conscionably discharge their duties and of them which have greatest authority Then the Levites might not abide in their standings when the priests neglected their office nor the prophets when the priests and Levites had corrupted their wayes Then the people might not sacrifice nor receive spirituall blessings by their hands when Eli's sons had notoriously corrupted their wayes nor the faithfull remain in society when the priest and people both had corcupted the law worship offices and manners To speak no more of abuses if this rule hold no place or standing in the church is lawfull wherein three or more private persons who can make Peters confession of faith have not power of the keyes to receive into and shut out of the church to censure and determine authoritatively And so it may well be questioned to say no more whether ever there was any lawfull standing in a constituted church Since the death of the Apostles if they be put unto it according to this position they must confesse there was never any And considering the ignorance infirmities diversities of opinions that be amongst the godly passions distempers and corruptions how is it possible but that the church must fall into as many schismes almost as there be men if each man must renounce others standing as unlawfull wherein he conceiteth he is restrained of some power or hindred of some ordinary means which Christ hath left for the amendment of things No church in the world now hath that absolute promise of the Lords visible presence which the church then had till the coming of Christ It was simply necessary that Messiah should be born in the true church wherein he might have communion and fulfill the law The Lord did afford the Jews even in their deepest apostasie some or other visible signes of his presence and those extraordinary when ordinary failed thereby still declaring himself to remember his promise There was that onely visible church upon the face of the earth tyed to one temple altar sacrifice priest hood in one place and no man could absolutely separate from that church but he must separate from the visible presence and from all solemn worship of God Moreover the Jewish church had not that distinct ecclesiasticall ordinance of excommunication which we now have but that the obstinate or presumptuous offender was by bodily death to be cut off from the Lords people the same persons namely the whole nation being both church and common-wealth according to that speciall dispensation These observations rightly applyed do manifestly overthrow what hath been and is by others objected against communion with us in the worship of God For if it was absolutely necessary that the Messias should be born in the true church wherein he might have communion then a church corrupted in officers and offices doctrine worship and manners may be a true