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A86420 Fourteen queries and ten absurdities about the extent of Christ's death, the power of the creatures, the justice of God in condemning some, and saving others, presented by a free-willer to the Church of Christ at Newcastle, and answered by Paul Hobson a member of the said Church. In which answer is discovered, the extent of Christs death, the nature and truth of election, the condition of the creature both before and after conversion, &c. Published in tenderness of love for the good of all, especially for the Churches of Christ. Hobson, Paul. 1655 (1655) Wing H2273; Thomason E1492_4; ESTC R208520 40,720 127

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appear when we shall speak to them now to speak to your Queries one by one as they are there laid down will neither be proper nor profitable because the foundation of the most of them is from a groundless supposition to wit That I and the rest do not hold that CHRIST died for all which is contrary to our judgments for we do hold that CHRIST did die for all but not for all alike therefore the very foundation of your Querie which relates to the Death of CHRIST will appear groundless and seeing that your Queries want foundation and besides I judg some of them contain contradiction I shall not speak to them one by one now that we may not uphold contention but in the fear of the Lord speak for information knowing where the difference between us and you lieth which gives you advantage to put so many forms upon Queries and faces upon Absurdities to present your opinion though groundless yet pleasing I shall according to the small ability the Lord gives me in answer to my relation to truth lay down and speak to these things following and so in the close answer your Queries and Absurdities First wherein you and we do seem to be one in judgment as to the Death of CHRIST Secondly where we differ Thirdly the ground of your mistakes as to the Death of CHRIST the ability of the Creature and the clearing up of the Justice of God Fourthly the sad Absurdities which of necessity must follow your opinion not that which is to be discovered but which is already discovered in your profest position in your Query and then you will see the necessity of the retorting of the most of the Absurdities upon your self and the residue of them must needs fall as to us they having no foundation from us First to the first First I do judg that CHRIST died for all though not for all alike Secondy that his Death without any exemption is to be presented to all First that he died for all I shall prove it by Scripture and then shew you how to prove this truth that CHRIST died for every man I shall not prove it from these Scriptures John 3.16 chap. 6.33 2 Cor. 5. 19. 1 John 2.2 1 John 4.14 and my reason for it in those Scriptures though they speak out the word all and the word world yet there is no safety to make positive conclusions upon doubtfull expressions I mean as to the nature and measure of the word all or world for sometimes the word world includes the whole as Job 34.18 Psalm 24.1 Psalm 50.12 98.7 Jer. 10.12 Acts 17.24 Secondly the word world is taken for a part as well as the whole as in these Scriptures John 13.1 chap. 14.17 chap. 15.18 19. chap. 17.6 9. Acts 17.6 Acts 19.27 Rev. 13.3 Thirdly as the word world doth include sometimes a part so sometimes of that part it doth intend properly the wicked of the world as Acts 17.31 Rom. 12.2 1 Cor. 3.19 chap. 4. 9. chap. 6.2 Hebr. 11.7 2 Peter 2.5 1 John 5.19 Again in other places it doth also properly intend onely the Professors or Believers in CHRIST as in these Scriptures John 12.19 Rom. 11.12 15. John 17.21 23. Now all that can be said or declared from these fore-mentioned Scriptures where the word world or all is expressed where the Death of CHRIST is declared or Reconciliation by him is to you very doubtfull whether it be to every one or onely Believers and therefore seeing that a doubtfull supposition is no foundation for infallible conclusions nor to end any controversie in discourse because supposition is as strong in the one as the other and convinces none but produceth disputes in all therefore I shall in my Answer not possitively conclude from but set them aside in this discourse and draw my proof as I told you before either from Scripture or Reason that doth arise no other way then from an absolute necessity So now to my Affirmation which is that CHRIST died for every man but not for alike First that he died for every man for the proof of that see 1 Tim. 4.10 he is the Saviour of every man but especially so there is a common salvation by CHRIST intended to all This truth is also made good in 2 Pet. 2.1 where he declares some men to be men of destruction and tells them that they had denied the Lord that bought them so that wicked men and men of destruction were comprehended in the purchase of CHRIST further see Heb. 2.9 Now I shall shew you what I do intend in it and my Grounds for it besides what already hath been said consider all men were comprehended in Adam according to Scripture Rom. 5.12 And what God speaks as to blessing and cursing when he speaks to Adam Gen. 2.17 saying In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt die the death now Adam when he eat fell all men fell in him and came under this curse according to these Scriptures Rom. 5.12 15 17. 1 Cor. 15.21 22. Now what the Lord saith must be true and exactly performed which was in the very day when he eat he must die which word death doth comprehend death in every sense Now had not JESUS CHRIST been brought forth by the Lord to step between the pronunciation of the curse and the act meriting and the execution of the curse man must immediately have died or else God had not been exact in his Word but we know he is Now CHRIST was brought forth to bear the wrath of the Lord and the satisfaction of his Justice in that great breach and gap that man had made and so CHRIST was the Saviour of every man from the execution of that curse and they have some time to live here in the world or else their destruction had been in their conception either of all or so many as CHRIST did not undertake for for Gods Word is exactly true in all things So that in the first sense CHRIST is the Saviour of all men from the execution of that curse at which time and in which purchase the world is no longer Gods upon the old account but as it is the inheritance of JESUS CHRIST according to Psalm 1.8 Heb. 1.5 6. Matt. 22.3 8. applied to the 42. where God hath given the utmost part of the earth and Nations of the Heathen to CHRIST for his portion so it comes to pass that mercy is extended according to these Scriptures both to the just and unjust Matth. 5.45 Psalm 145.9 Eccles 9.2 Psalm 36.6 Secondly CHRIST by his Death doth not onely free the Creature from the immediate execution of that curse but he hath also taken them from under the dreadfull killing power of that state which man was in when he fell which was to lie under the fire and killing appearances of God in that killing Law nothing standing between God as fire and they as stubble but he hath brought them into a state and under the authority of himself
to us if you minde these Particulars First it is in the power of God to condemn all it is onely grace and love that he saves any according to these Scriptures Ephes 2.5 8. 2 Tim. 1.9 Tit. 3.5 2. God doth condemn no man if you look upon the meritorious cause not for the creatures not expressing of a power of believing in entertaining CHRIST but for the exercising of a power in rejecting CHRIST should God condemn creatures for their not exercising a power in receiving CHRIST then he did condemn them for what they have not 2 Thess 3.2 but he condemns them for their rejecting CHRIST which power they have it is true the Scripture saith He that believes not is damned for not believing is a declaration of an abid●●● in a state without CHRIST which is a state of condemnation It is also said that they are condemned because they believe not the Son of God but that cause is the declarative cause but the meritorious cause which is that God doth and will go upon to clear up his justice by is not the creatures refusing to exercise a power in receiving CHRIST for that they have not 2 Thess 3.2 but it is the exercising of a power of darkness in rejecting CHRIST and that men have and God is just in doing it and that that is the ground God will go upon is clear from these Scriptures John 3.19 20. Acts 7.51 Hebr. 12.25 Psalm 118.22 And so much in answer to this Objection Now there are other Objections which I judg may occasion mistakes but I shall speak to them in the next thing which is the third Particular that I promised in the beginning of my writing to wit to discover your mistakes which the cause of your stumbling in which discovery you will see some of the Objections that further may be made both exprest and answered Now as for the mistakes which is the cause of your stumbling they are many I shall mention so many as I have been acquainted with which are as followeth First the measuring or judging of mans ability by the extent of Gods authority which is manifest in his Word for in all the Scripture God manifests his authority over us and your mistakes are from his authority to conclude the creatures ability as in such Scriptures where God saith Do this and you shall live and Turn your selves or be this or be that which Scriptures are principally to discover Gods authority but not the creatures ability when man fell he lost his ability but this change wrought no alteration in God if no change in God then why should any change be in his language ●f God had changed that way of his language the creature would have been apt to conceive that in mans fall there had been a change of Gods power or authority as well as of the creatures ability which is not so A second mistake is your not distinguishing of causes putting no difference between the essential meritorious instrumental and final causes and so it occasions you to conclude God or some of his eminent acts done in himself to be subject to something that are but instrumental causes and so you do bring the efficient cause into subjection unto the instrumental cause and sometimes the effects of the efficient cause is declared in Scripture as a declarative cause as He that believes not is damned or as an instrumental cause He that believes shall be saved Now your not understanding causes is an occasion of your stumbling A third mistake is your not applying one Scripture with another in the understanding of the extent of some expressions in Scripture as the word all and the word world 1. Now the word all and the word world they are diversly taken sometimes the word all doth signifie some of all sorts as appears in these Scriptures Matth. 3.5 6. 4.23 Acts 10.12 2. The word all doth signifie the greater part as in Luke 16.26 Phil. 2.21 3. The word all is many times understood with limitation unto the present subject according to these Scriptures Heb. 12.8 So the word world sometimes is taken for a part according to these Scriptures John 14.17 ch 15.18 19. 1 John 2.2 chap. 4.14 Sometimes for the better part as Professors in the world John 12.19 Rom. 11.12 Sometimes for the wicked of the world according to these Scriptures as Acts 17.31 Rom. 12.2 1 Cor. 3.19 chap. 4.9 chap 6.2 Heb. 11.7.22 Peter 2.5 1 John 5.19 Sometimes for the whole world comprehending every thing in the world according to these Scriptures as Joh 34.18 Psalm 24.1 Psal 50.12 Acts 17.24 Now not distinguishing the extent of words applying one Scripture with another is very dangerous and a special cause of your stumbling A fourth cause relating to the language of God in Scripture is the misapplying of things to the subject that is exprest in a particular Scripture without understanding that Scripture by another as in Ezek. 33.11 where the Lord saith As I live I delight not in the death of a sinner From which Particular you conclude all sinners Now if you look in the Scriptures you will see your selves mistaken for there are three sorts of sinners One sort that sins out of confidence of Gods mercy and upon that account resolves to sin Deu. 29.19 We will add Drunkenness to Thirst for God will be mercifull See what the Lord saith in v. 20 The Lord will not spare him but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousie shall smoke against that man and all the curses that are written in this Book shall light upon him If so then this cannot be the sinner God intends in Ezek. 33.11 A second sort of sinners are those that sin and are not sensible of their sinning but rather thinks it goes well with them when they sin as the generality of the world doth this sort of sinner God speaks of in Jer. 44.17 18. and Isai 27. Now if you look in Jer. 44.26 God there swears he will shew them no mercy And in Isai 27.11 there God doth affirm he will shew no mercy to them Now both these sorts of sinners cannot be those God intends when he saith As I live I delight not in the death of a sinner A third sort of sinners are sinners in a Gospel sense and they are those that CHRIST 1●th I come not to save the righteous but sinners as in these Scriptures Matth. 9.13 Mark 2.17 Luke 5.32 1 Tim. 1.15 And those sinners appear to be such and are declared to be such when they have through the gracious appearance of God a discovery of themselves to themselves that in the sense of their sins groan and long after JESUS CHRIST These are those that CHRIST invites Matthew 11.28 Come unto me all ye that are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest And so much of that Scripture and so in some other Scriptures you take one person for another mis-understanding the drift or scope of what is there intended