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A85445 The author and case of transplanting the Irish into Connaught vindicated, from the unjust aspersions of Col. Richard Laurence. By Vincent Gookin Esquire. Gookin, Vincent, 1616?-1659. 1655 (1655) Wing G1272; Thomason E838_7; ESTC R205067 47,347 63

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answers How he is not i. e. quâ Landlord 3. He answers he is not transplanted quâ Landlord but tels you not whether he be transplanted quâ Tenant or quâ man or quâ Rebell Well though the quâ may be doubtfull yet the best on 't is the transplanting will be certain 4. 'T is strange that he is not transplanted quâ Landlord when most of the Landlords are to be transplanted if it be a lot the Dice runs shrewly against them 5. They are not to be transplanted quâ Landlords and yet the Tenants go not though they are men and Rebels as well as the Landlords This is a likely story 6. He forgets himself for afterward p. 22. he there tels you the Reasons why the Landlords go they had more means and more influence and therefore are to be transplanted and had they not this as they were Landlords and as having this he grants they shall be transplanted and yet denies they are as Landlords transplanted He has a notable Metaphysical head it seems thus to be able to abstract things if he were a Chymist he would either finde out the Philosophers stone or knock out his brains against it he 's so good at separation 7. As a Landlord he is not to be transplanted that is it may be if he had not been a Rebel and so he starts a curious new notion that all men that have Lands in Ireland shall not go to Connaught and that this is the subtilty he springs his own words assure us pag. 22. lin. 21. It is not their having Land is the fault but mis-improving the ability it gave them 8. He goes not away as a Landlord I am confident now I have hit on his sense and this is it for he has lost his estate by forfeiture before he goes and so is none His second Question Whether the Tenants have not been equally guilty and yet are not transplanted and then this is with childe of another young question If this be not partiality To the first he answers nothing To the second No Reply 1. This question seems to be to the former like one of Hopkins or Sternholds Psalms Another of the same 2. Yet now I rub my eyes methinks I spy a glimering difference for his first question was before Why the Landlord should be transplanted and not the Tenant But his second is Why the Tenant is not transplanted but the Landlord and between these two you know there 's a vast difference Just as much as was between Collonel Laurence and the Marshal-General though not so much as between a horse-mill and a mill-horse though they are terms convertible 3. His second Answer is true if he can prove his supposition That Transplantation is a free meer act of grace but that 's not true For 1. He must remember that before he granted it in some sense a punishment and if so 't will then come to be in some sense injustice where an offence is equal to make the suffering unequal according to his own resolution 2. Is this now an act of grace which himself sayes Pag. 19. the Irish have reason to accept of death rather Is not this to make the State ridiculous to tell men they hold forth great acts of grace to the Irish such as they have reason rather to die then accept of His third Question What are the Reasons the Landlord is transplanted not the Tenant I shall speak to this 1. in general and then 2. in particular to his Answers which as the Legion said of himself are many and yet there was never a good one 1. I observe this is the the third concoction of this question whereby you may perceive though his Book shews his stomack 's very great his digestion is not very good What has an Ignis fatuus met him that he strayes thus up and down Nothing but the same question 'T is a conjecturers circle and he cannot get out on 't But it may be I have the mystery on 't 'T is a knotty question this and fit to be search't into But his invention is obstinate and will confesse nothing directly and therefore he resolves to circumvent her with multiplying and varying the forms of the same question It may be thus he may pump out something out of her at length Well howsoever what he cannot furnish you with in answers he supplies in questions 2. He now answers what the Reasons are of this act and yet before he askt the same question twice and pretended to give answers What 's the reason of this act of his Why you must understand that now he is come to his answers with reason and those before are his answers without reason His reasons are Reas. 1. The Landlords maintain'd the Rebels Therefore merit to be transplanted most Reply And the Tenants maintained the Landlord and the Rebels too The first Immediately the second Mediately Reas. 2. The Landlords maintaining the Army should have had an equal share in the booty and to justifie this he brings Scripture to confirm the Irish dividing the goods after they had plundered the English Answ. But how know you they should Have the English Landlords that maintained the English Army had an equal share in the booty they got Or are the Rebels acts which were lookt on as inhumane now become sacred and parallel to Davids actings in the Scripture The plundered English will hardly believe the Preacher that brings this Divinity Reas. 3. It will break their Septs which I confesse to be necessary Pag. 22. of the Case of Transplantation Answ. 1. I did and do so still by which he may see I was for the good of the English and therefore needed not have been in such choler with me 2. Yet it does not infer his Conclusion for the Septs will be broke if the Tenants be transplanted and the Landlords stay 3. Yet are not the Septs broke by this for only Proprietors going their eldest sons and other stay who when their fathers die will still head their Septs of parties 4. The Law has provided for this without transplanting An. 5. Ed. 4. as by taking sirnames c. and for breaking their dependencies An. 11. Eliz. but this Gentleman studies only martial Law 5. The Septs may be broke by removing the Landlords mutually out of their own into remoter Counties which was the way of Transplantations our Historians speak of and former Statesmen advis'd to 3. But if it be only this he intends to put in execution I shall not quarrel with him But how to salve this proceeding with publick Orders already given out I confesse I know not Those being general if I have either eyes or ears and for private Orders if there were any they were only to be taken notice of by those to whom they were no secrets and so could not by me Collonel Laurence then being resolved to condescend to me in the thing I shall not quarrel with him for differing from me in words for what he knows I writ for him before And I am sure he acts for me now if his sayings and doings differ not Choler in him began the quarrel or a worse principle necessity made me take it up I must either submit to those crimes he charges me with or by a reply discharge my self If he had used fewer ill words he had not received so many which though perhapssharp are neither scolding nor lies If he had stayed to right Authority till I had wronged them he had never been an Apologist nay it may be he has wrong'd them more in scribling so weakly for them then another could in writing strongly against them If a conceited injury done to others made him thrust himself into print a reall one done me speaks my excuse Let no poor sufferer by the Irish betray his Reason or Religion to his passion here to think no evils can be too great to be brought on the Irish It was their being cruel makes thee hate them so much to punish them do no not run into their sin least God punish thee Do not think that he that writes this and the Case of Transplantation pleads for them but thy cause 'T is safe profitable for thee that some be removed not all This Collonel Laurence sayes shall be done this I desired might be done Where is my offence against Authority more then his my love to the Irish more then his or my care of thee lesse then his I was far from being moved by them to do what I have done but by the English interest as I apprehended I was by the English of Kinsale and Bandon chosen a Member of the last Parliament and though their generosity was such as by their own disbursments to offer to defray my journey for England yet I accepted it not 't is unlikely the Irish should corrupt me and 't is a lie whoever shall say it because he wants something else to say But I have tired my self to refute slanders and am glad I shall now end FINIS
he judges it best to put it to the tryall before the Army disband Rep. 1. He is kind he will not force men upon impossibilities but by his good leave I think he offers a little force to sense for if a man be forc't on 't 't is possible if it be impossible the force is so likewise 2. If it be a desperate hazard he will not force them this is kinder yet he deals as he would be dealt with he loves not desperate hazards 3. But the condition of this present Obligation is That the above bounden Richard Laurence be convinc't of these things otherwise this Act and Deed of his to be null and of no force This will I fear rescind his former Concessions There are but two wayes of convincing a man by reason or experiment the first has been used and though he cannot answer it yet he can reject it I can advise him no other way then the second That he vouchsafe the persons transplanted his company in a sutable equipage to them and that will better inform him of the hazards 4. But if they will turn Tories he saith 't is best put it quickly to the tryal His answer ought to have been That this is not a way to make them Tories but it seems his reason can dictate no such thing to him and therefore he must try it before he can answer you till when he grants the Conclusion But Sir some trials are dangerous as if fire will burn and such things it is better to keep from tryal you have forgot you said before that Tories have been so destructive to our Armies now you will have our Army be as destructive to them but yet I perceive you are wise for your self it is enough for you to give counsel the executing of it as a Legacy you kindely bequeath to others the Army must try before more be dissbanded But why may not Collonel Laurence try it after who fears not disbanding No the Ape will have coals out of the fire but she will pull them out with the Cats foot This Gentleman is like a Cypher joyned with an Army he adds much to them but take him by himself and he signifies just nothing 5. In stead of answering he wonders pag. 20 that the businesse of Transplantation should engage them to a new war so slight a thing and yet pag. 19. he sayes It is not strange that they should resent it more then death it self and gives many reasons for it Strange that they should fight against it and yet not strange that they should die against it Apollo reconcile me these two Thus 't is done in a word Collonel Laurence had rather die then fight it seems The Respondent affects confusion as much in word as deed and therefore has suffered two Objections to straggle from their company to the rear of his Book Pag. 26. which I shall desire to march up into their proper place that so I may take a view of them with the rest here and the Reader see the whole strength he musters at one view 1. The last and great Objection he sayes is the impossibility of Transplantation which I prove not he thinks but impliedly 1. In saying they may have still a dram of rebellious bloud left And secondly That the power and strength of England is but a scare-crow and Hat on a stick fit to drive Geese To the first he answers it may shew it difficult but not impossible because they can let that out and for the second his Answer is to the same or no purpose Reply 1. I must take off the calumny the Respondent layes on me That I resemble the power of England to a scare-crow or a Hat on a stick fit to drive Geese Is it not enough that he feigns me to abuse Authority in Ireland But he will compell my words to an abuse of the Authority of England Strange ignorance never to understand me or malice alwayes to pervert me When will he leave wronging himself for me he cannot 1. Scare-crow is a word of his own foisting in 2. There is not a word spoken there in that passage of Authority either in England or Ireland To any person of an uncraz'd brain my meaning was very obvious that the Irish would not go according to Orders nor drive by force for so that innocent Proverb only signifies and is as harmlesse as those creatures I used in the comparison I have too high an esteem of the Army to give them such language I know their worth and the greatnesse of their actions and sufferings in Ireland of which I wish they may be near an end to enjoy rewards proportionable to their very great deserts 2. He had no reason to be offended that I did suppose a dram of rebellious bloud to lie still in the Irish I would there were no more But he is hard to be pleased if I speak charitably of them then I am a friend to the Irish and if I speak ill of them then I am an enemy to the English and incite the Irish to rebell and as he uses me just so he does them For when he must justifie Transplantation then they are the wickedest people in the world but at another time pretty honest There are two passages which brought together make him a good Advocate for the Irish pag. 11. of his Book he sayes All Persons that had contrived advised promoted assisted or abetted the Rebellion must transplant yet Pag. 19. he sayes Those to go will hardly be mist being not near the twentieth part of the people besides Souldiers Now surely we have done the good honest people wrong all this while for we slandered them as if few of them were honest and it seems not above the twentieth part were otherwise well but all their honesty shall not save them from going to Connaught and so he makes us amends for the commendations he gave them 3. I said 't is impossible to make them go if they would not To which he answers 'T is not impossible for he can let out this dram of Rebellious bloud in them What then And will that make them go or not They will not go when they are alive and can they go after they are dead He cannot make them when 't is possible but he will make them go when 't is impossible He does ill sure This is the third time as I remember that he has frightned us with these Stories of dead folks walking 4. Did not I prove this and he approves it likewise when I shew'd they abhor'd this more then death it self Can you compell a man to an act that prefers death before it Compell him before you cannot he will die or you can but kill him compell him after you cannot he is dead I have given a single Answer to both his because they shrink into one likewise and for his making me the encourager of a second Rebellion I think that worth none like a Hedge-hog 't is his nature to