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A41009 Kātabaptistai kataptüstoi The dippers dipt, or, The anabaptists duck'd and plung'd over head and eares, at a disputation in Southwark : together with a large and full discourse of their 1. Original. 2. Severall sorts. 3. Peculiar errours. 4. High attempts against the state. 5. Capitall punishments, with an application to these times / by Daniel Featley ... Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. 1645 (1645) Wing F586; ESTC R212388 182,961 216

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thing or spirituall act or grace signified by Baptisme may be sufficiently expressed without Dipping then is not Dipping necessary in Baptisme for the whole use of the signe in Baptisme in all other Sacraments is but to represent the thing signified and inwardly wrought upon the soul by the means of that ordinance of God But the thing signified to wit the cleansing of the soul from the guilt and filth of sin may be sufficiently expressed by washing or rubbing with water and so putting away the filth of the flesh 1 Pet. 3. 21. without any plunging or Dipping of the whole body or any part thereof Ergo Dipping is not necessary in Baptisme ARGUMENT IIII. Sprinkling may be done and is usually without any Dipping at all But the outward act of Baptisme representing the inward Ablution of the soul is expressed in holy Scripture by sprinkling Hebr. 9. 13. The blood of bulls and goats sprinkling the unclean sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh Heb. 10. 22. Having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water 1 Pet. 1. 2. Through the sanctification of the spirit and sprinkling of the blood of Iesus Christ. Ergo The outward act of Baptisme may be rightly performed without any Dipping at all ARGUMENT V. Baptisme is a Sacrament though not of absolute necessity yet of very great as all confesse and it falleth out often that it ought to be administred to sick and infirm persons even sometimes lying upon their death bed they making profession of their Faith and earnestly desiring it But in such case these infirm persons cannot after the manner of the Anabaptists be carried to rivers or wells and there be Dipt and plunged in them without evident and apparent danger yet may they safely be Baptised by sprinkling or gentle rubbing with water Ergo Sprinkling or rubbing the flesh with water in the Name of the Trinity by those who have authority and commission from Christ is sufficient without any Dipping at all ARGUMENT VI. All the Sacraments of the church may and ought to be administred without giving any just scandall But the resort of great multitudes of men and women together in the evening and going naked into rivers there to be plunged and Dipt cannot be done without scandall especially where the State giveth no allowance to any such practise nor appointeth any order to prevent such fowl abuses as are like at such disorderly meetings to be committed Ergo The Sacrament of Baptisme ought not to be administred with such plunging or Dipping The Objections of the Anabaptists answered Now let us hear what they can say for their Dipping and with what weak bulrushes they fight against the truth Fist they object that the word Baptize is derived from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifying to Dip or Die therefore say they washing or sprinkling with water is not Baptizing but plunging the body or the head at least in water But we answer First out of Aquinas and the schoolmen in verbis non tam spectandum ex quo quam ad quid sumantur in words we are not so much to respect from whence they are derived as how they are used as we see the branches of trees spread much further then the roots so the derivative words are often of a larger extent of signification then their primitives for instance 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is derived from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and signifieth originally and properly Catechizing or such a kinde of Teaching wherein the principles of Religion or of any Art or Science are often inculcated and by continuall sounding and resounding beat into the ears of children or novies but yet it is taken in holy Scripture in a larger sense not onely for catchizing of children but instructing men of riper yeers in the doctrine of salvation as Luke 1. 4. That thou mightest know the certainty of those things 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Wherein thou hast been instructed and Acts 1825. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord and Acts 21. 24. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whereof they informed concerning thee and Rom. 14. 19. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Follow the things wherewith one may edifie another and Gal. 6. 6. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Let him that as taught in the word communicate to him that teacheth him In like manner The word prophecie is derived from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth originally and properly to foretell things future yet it is taken in the new Testament especially in a larger sense for all such as reveale the will of God and declare his promises aswell past and already fulfilled as to be fulfilled hereafter as namely 1 Cor. 11. 4. every man praying or prophecying having his head covered dishonoureth his head 1 Cor. 14. 1. Desire spirituall gifts but rather that ye may prophesie and verse 3. He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification to exhortation to comfort verse 31. Ye may all prophes●e one by one verse 32. The spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets So the word Baptize though it be derived from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 tingo to Dip or Plunge into the water and signifieth primarily such a kinde of washing as is used in bucks where linnen is Plunged and Dipt yet it is taken more largely for any kinde of washing rinsing or cleansing even where there is no Dipping at all as Matth. 3. 11. 20. 22. Mark 7. 4. 10. 38. Luke 3. 16. Acts 1. 5. 11. 16. 1 Cor. 10. 2. Secondly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from whence Baptize is derived signifieth as well to Die as to Dip and it may be the holy Ghost in the word Baptize hath some reference to that signification because by Baptisme we change our hiew for as Varro reporteth of a river in Baeotia that the water thereof turneth sheep of a dark or dun colour into white so the sheep of Christ which are washed in the Font of Baptisme by vertue of Christs promise though before they were of never so dark sad or dirtie colour yet in their souls become white and pure and are as it were new died therefore admitting that in the word Baptize there were something of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 tingo to Dip or Die yet it will not follow That it necessarily signifieth Dipping for it may aswell imply this spirituall Die to which no Dipping is necessary Secondly they argue from the example of Christ and Iohn and of Philip and the Eunuch Iesus say they and Iohn went both into Iordan and there Iohn Baptized Iesus and likewise Philip and the Eunuch went both down into the water and there Philip Baptized the Eunuch therefore say they sprinkling or washing with water will not suffice but the parties that are to be baptized ought to go into the water and there be Dipt over head and ears But we answer First an example of Christ or his
there is a prayer for the dead Remember not Lord the offences of our fore-fathers prayer against suddain death which may be a blessing prayer for all that travell by land or by water and so for theevs and Pirats for all women labouring of child and consequently for all queans and harlots there is rapping out of oaths and no better then exorcisms and conjurations by thy nativitie and circumcision by thy crosse and passion c. And therefore many who are in charitie with other prayers are frighted with the Letanie and as soon as the Minister beginneth it they run swifter out of the church then he over it But I may truly say with the prophet timuerunt ubi non erat timor they feared where there was no cause of fear like silly ducklings they were scared at the sight of the shadow of a Kite in the water For not to answer all their objections en passant they are not worth the stay or insisting upon any of them those words they first stumble at Remember not the offences of our fore-fathers are not a prayer for the dead but for the living that God would not so remember of offences of our fore-fathers as to visit them upon us according to that dreadfull menacie in the second commandement I am a jealous God and visit the sins of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me The suddain death we pray against is not a quick riddance out of pain or a speedie taking us away from the evill that is to come for that indeed were to pray against our own good but by mors repentina or suddain death there is meant unexpected or unprepared death when we are summoned by death as by Gods messenger to bring in our bills and books to be examined at the great Audit before our accompts be readie it is true wee should be alwayes readie but who of a thousand is so And if any be tardie as thou and I are shall any blame us for desiring a day at least to make even reckonings and perfect our account As for those passionate strains By thine agonie and bloodie sweat they are no forms of oaths much lesse conjuration as these ignorant Sectaries blaspheme them but a compendious and verie usefull recapitulation of the storie of the Gospel and an acknowledgment of the chief means of our salvation and a vehement obtestation by the meritorious actions and passions of Christ like to that 1 Thess. 1. I beseech you brethren by the Lord Iesus Christ. Neither are such kind of earnest obtestations unusuall in our petitions to men per dextram tuam Caie Caesar saith Cicero per connubianostra saith Dido If they are true Christians they beleeve that God hath and doth deliver us from all punishment due to our sin and from eternall death by these very actions and passions of Christ recounted in the Letanie and if these be undoubted means of our salvation ought we not to pray to God to save us by these means from wrath and bring us to his everlasting kingdome The preposition By hath many significations sometimes it is the note and sign of an oath sometimes and that most usually it signifieth the instrumentall cause and so it is taken in the Letanie wherein we doe not affirm or swear any thing to be so or so by Christs nativitie or circumcision or death or passion but we pray to God to deliver us from all the evils both of sinne and punishment before specified by these meritorious actions and passions of our Redeemer as by the only effectuall means to procure us such a deliverance And for the extent of our charitie and generalitie of our prayers as we are commanded by the Apostle while we have time to doe good unto all men but especially to those of the houshold of faith so we are likewise to pray for all men because there is no man so wicked and in so damnable a condition to whom God for ought we know may not give repentance unto life and we are indebted unto Gods mercie and restraining grace that we run not into the like excesse of not as they nor are as wide from the way of salvation as the farthest wandering sheep And though we pray indefinitely for all that travell by land or by water yet those all in the churches account are no other then such as travell in the way of a lawfull calling And as for women labouring with child we pray nothing for them but that they may be safely delivered nor for any that are in present danger but that God would preserve them and have we not expresse warrant for such a prayer both in the words of Iob O thou preserver of all men and of the Apostle 1 Tim. 4. 10. God is the Saviour of all men especially of those that beleeve Upon which ground the Apostle himself inferreth a necessarie dutie of all Christians to pray for all men 1 Tim. 2. 3 4. I exhort you therefore that first of all supplications prayers and intercessions be made for all men for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth ARTIC 4. Concerning the calling of Pastours ANABAPTIST THat there ought to be no distinction by the Word of God between the Clergie and the Laitie but that all who are gifted may preach the Word and administer the Sacraments THE REFUTATION This prodigious errour which may be easily convinced not onely by the cleare light of Scripture and the practise of the Christian Church from the beginning to this day but also by the glimmering light of Reason and Custome of all Nations a mungrill sect of late betweene Brownists and Anabaptists have set abroach and thereby after a sort justified the scandall laid upon some in the Reformed Churches by Card Bellarmine that Protestants have no order at all among them but confusion that among them all sorts of Tradesmen and Artificers handle the Word and Sacraments with foul and unwashed hands to the great dishonour of God and prophanation of his holy Ordinances But let the Cardinall and all Papists know that we owne none of these russet Rabbies or Apron Levites but detest and abominate them as much as we doe that great Patriarch of the Anabaptists Cuiperdolin who in Munster at the Coronation of their Taylor King creeps upon all foure and passing through a great throng of people breathed into all their mouthes saying to every one in particular The Father hath sanctified thee receive the holy Ghost This Heresie may be felled downe at three blowes of the axe Saint Iohn Baptist speaks of laid to the root of the tree after this manner ARGUMENT I. No man may conjoyne or confound them whom God hath severad and distinguished But God in his Word hath severed the Clergie from the Laity distinguished the Priests from the people Nem.
against them for ●ushing violently into the Churches of the Catholicks breaking asunder the Altar boards pulling down the partitions and making havock of all things there and herein our Anabaptists their cursed off-springs learn to patrizare Rotman with Cniperdolin in the yeare 1534. after they had altered the Senate in Munster seised upon the Church dedicated to Mauricius situated in the Suburbs and pillaged all the other Churches in the City And in Suevia and Franconia Muncer and Phifer two principall incendiaries among the Anabaptists made their Magazins in the Covent of the Franciscans and cast their Ordnance there and Phiser running into the country of Isfield pillageth all the Castles and Churches And their Taylor-King Iohn of Leiden of the Coapes and Altar-cloathes and rich vestments stolne from the Churches which they pillaged made good use by the help of his former trade translated them all into apparell for himselfe and his Courtiers and glittering Caparisons for his horses And what evill their Disciples mingled with Brownists have done in the Sanctuar●es of God in England and Ireland though I should hold my peace the timber out of the beams and the Chalices out of the Vestry and the marble and brasse out of the Monuments of the dead would proclaime it to the everlasting infamy of this prophane Sect. But it is time Claudere rivos to shut down the Flood-gates lest my discourse bee overflowne with these muddy and brackish waters Sat prata biberunt OBSERVAT. Ult. Of the untimely deaths and fearfull ends of the Ring-leaders of this Sect. No man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before him all things come alike to all there is one event to the righteous and to the wicked to the cleane and to the uncleane to him that sacrificeth and to him that sacrificeth not as is the good so is the sinner and hee that sweareth as he that feareth an Oath Thus speaketh King Solomon either in the person of the Epicure denying speciall providence or as most agree in his owne person without any figure or Prosopopoeia at all to deterre men from passing rash censures upon any in particular for outward dysasters in regard of the common calamities incident to all mankind no man may certainly judge whether a man bee in Gods favour or state of Grace by the floate of these outward blessings or that he is out of Gods favour and in the condition of a Reprobate by the ebbe of them or the contrary inundation of afflictions For a man may be as miserable as Lazarus in this world yet destinated to Abrahams bosome as on the other side a man may be as happy as Dives here yet reserved for everlasting torments hereafter It is therefore sage Counsell the Poet giveth Ne te quaesiveris extra seek not thy selfe out of thy selfe neither value thy selfe by thy outward estate but thy stock of inward vertues Notwithstanding this generall observation concerning the benigne aspect of heaven in this life or manifold dysasters it is most certaine that God exempteth some from common calamities and powreth the full vialls of his vengeance upon others in such sort even in this life that the most secure sinners are constrained to professe in the words of the Psalmist utique est fructus justo utique est Deus judex in terra doubtlesse there is reward to the just doubtlesse there is a God that judgeth the earth If God did not set a marke upon some notorious offenders in this life and make them examples to others upon what evidence could the Prophet say the Lord is knowne by the judgement which hee executeth the wicked is snared in the works of his owne hands On which text the ensuing relations may serve as a briefe Commentary Who cannot read Corah and his Complices sinne in their punishment they made the first Schisme in the congregation in their time there was a wide rent made in the earth through which they descended quick into hell Elymas the forcerer who endeavoured to seduce the proconsul frō the Christian faith and cast a mist as it were before his eyes that he might not discern true Religion from superstition was suddenly smitten with blindnes Cerinthus the old heretick who corrupted the doctrine of the Gospell in the purest times resorting to a common Bath where he met the Apostle of Christ was killed by the fall of the house as soon as the beloved Disciple who made hast to shun him was got out of the door Montanus with his two trulls Priscilla and Maximilla who betrayed the truth of God took part of Iudas cord and hanging themselves thereby strangled that heresie in the Infancy Manes who tare the seamelesse coat of Christ and with a part thereof covered the hereticks called from his name Manichees had his skin wholly torne from his flesh and being thus excoriated in the quickest sense of lingering paine he yeilded up his unhappy ghost Vitaque cum gemitu fugit indignata sub umbras Arius who infected the greatest part of the world with his p●stilent heresie came to a most shamefull end in the publick James at Alexandria voyding his bowells at his easment there Nestorius his tongue rotted in his mouth wherewith for many yeares hee had blasphemed the person of Christ. To passe by other Arch-hereticks who tasted of the cup of trembling in this life out of which it is to be feared they now suck the very dregs in Hell The intelligent Reader who peruseth the late stories of the Anabaptists cannot but take notice that many thousands of that Sect who defiled their first Baptisme by their second were baptized the third time with their own blood yet suffered death non ut coronam fidei sed poenam perfi●iae Servetus an Anabap. as an Arian received the sentence of death at Geneva Phifer at Mulhus Rotman that sacrilegious Anabaptist was slaine in Saint Lamberts Church-yard Tho Muncer was put to the rack by George Duke of Saxony and the Land-grave of Hesse where he roared most fearfully and in the end had his head cut off and put upon a high pole in the fields Three hundred Anabaptists that fell upon the Monastery of Bilsw●rd in Frizland and rifled it were all of them save 62. that fled either killed in the ruines of the Monasterie or put to death by the hangman I gave thee a touch Courteous Reader in the first Chapter of their King Io of Leiden and their Consull Bernard Cuipperdoling whose judgements slept not for before the end of two yeares in which they playd all their pranks they together with their great Prophet were tyed to a stake had their flesh torne from them with hot pinchers in the end they were stabbed to the hearts and after they were dead their bodies were put in iron cages and hanged on the Steeple of Saint Lambert the King according to his Royall dignity having his exalation hanging higher then