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A41009 Kātabaptistai kataptüstoi The dippers dipt, or, The anabaptists duck'd and plung'd over head and eares, at a disputation in Southwark : together with a large and full discourse of their 1. Original. 2. Severall sorts. 3. Peculiar errours. 4. High attempts against the state. 5. Capitall punishments, with an application to these times / by Daniel Featley ... Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. 1645 (1645) Wing F586; ESTC R212388 182,961 216

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2. thou shalt not hearken to the words of that prophet for the Lord thy God proveth you it is true that argument with others makes a good proof There is no false prophet in the scripture the pen-men thereof were all true prophets and spake from the mouth of God I grant you they did yet by this argument alone you cannot convince an Atheist or a Mahumetan for in Mahomets Alc●●ron it is said that Mahomet was a true prophet and that the Angel spake to him from God you see to what a miserable plunge you are put if you have no more knowledge then meerly the translation of the English bible Secondly for the event of prophesies you speak of how prove you the event of them For the events of the latter prophesies are not set down in scripture as namely of the destruction of the temple and the dispersion of the Jews into all nations Travellers can testifie the truth of that Besides some here I doubt not can witnesse I believe it but these travellers their report and the testimonie of those witnesse you speak of are no ground of our christian faith you see therefore that you are still to seek and not able to convince any Jew Pagan or Mahumetan out of your translated bible without other helps of learning which you want Secondly I prove that none of your Lay-men who have not received holy orders may take upon them the sacred office of preaching the word and administring the sacraments The office of a minister is a holy office which none may meddle with but those who have a lawfull calling thereunto To which purpose I alledged divers texts out of the new testament before whereunto I will adde the fearfull judgments of God in the old testament which fell upon Lay-men who medled with the priests office As first the judgment that fell upon Corah Dathan and Abiram Numb 16. 3 Ye take too much upon you seeing all the congregation is holy every one of them and the Lord is amongst them wherefore then lift ye up your selvs above the congregation of the Lord v. 28. And Moses said if these men diethe common death of all men or if they be visited after the visitation of all men the Lord hath not sent me v. 31. And assoon as he had made an end of speaking all these words the ground clave asunder that was under them v. 32. And the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up with their families and all the men that were with Corah and all their goods Secondly Uzza who put forth his hand to stay the Arke 2 Sam. 6. 6. 7. And when they came to Nachons threshing floor Uzza put his hand to the Arke of God and held it for the oxen did shake it v. 7. And the Lord was very wroth with Uzza and God smote him in the same place for his fault and there he dyed by the Arke of God Thirdly upon Uzziah who for taking upon him to offer incense which belonged to the priests office was stricken with a Leprosie that clave to him till his death 2 Chron. 26. 18. 19. 20. 21. And they withstood Uzziah the King and said unto him it pertaineth not to thee Uzziah to burn incense unto the Lord but to the priests the sons of Aaron that are consecrated for to offer incense go forth of the Sanctuarie for thou hast transgressed and thou shalt have no honour of the Lord God Then Uzziah was wroth and had incense in his hand to burn it and while he was wroth with the priests the Leprosie rose up in his fore-head before the priests in the house of the Lord besides the incense Altar And when Azariah the chief priest with all the priests looked upon him behold he was Leprous in his fore-head and they caused him hastily to depart thence and he was even compelled to go out because the Lord had smitten him And Uzziah the King was a Leper unto the day of his death and dwelt as a Leper in a house apart because he was cut off from the house of the Lord. Fourthly upon husband-men and heards-men that took upon them to prophesie Zach. 13. 4. 5. 6. And in that day shall the prophets be ashamed every one of his vision when he hath prophesied then they shall wear a rough garment no more to deceive But he shall say I am no prophet I am a husband-man for men taught me to be an herds-man from my youth up So you artificers may be ashamed of your prophesying and say I am a trades-man I am no prophet men taught me to exercise a handy-craft from my youth At this one Cufin being very angry said M. Doctor I am more lawfully called to preach the word then you and that I will prove by scripture You will have a hard task of it for neither my name nor yours are found in scripture neither is there any colour in all Gods word for any Lay-mans preaching much lesse such an illiterate artificer as you are He that is called by saints to preach is better called then he that is called by ungodly men But I am called by saints Ergo my calling is better then yours You are like the Pharisees who justifie your selvs what arrogancie and pride is it in you to tearm your societies a company of saints Neither were you called by saints nor I by ungodly men I am called by those who live in no known sins But you are called by bishops who lived in known sins Ergo I am more lawfully called then you Such a company of saints as you are two of your holy society was lately accused for a Rape How can you know that none of your society live in known sins who cannot say so of your self Much lesse of any of them For I appeal to your own conscience whether you and they in your prayers to God do not ask him forgivenesse as well for sins against conscience as for sins of ignorance as well for known as unknown sins besides have you no idle thoughts or fleshly lusts or desires in you I do not deny but I have And do you not know that these are sins I know they are Then by your own confession you live in known sins Though I know them yet I do not approve of them And can you prove that he who ordained me approved himself in any known sin He who ordained me was a learned grave and religious bishop who lived and dyed without spot or taint and I cannot sufficiently admire your boldnesse who charge him who ordained me with walking in known sins and approving them who knew not the man who he was take heed of these flanders the tongue that lyeth slayeth the soul. Whosoever he was he was but a particular man and Christ gave the power of ordaining to his church not to any particular men Though Christ hath