actions tending to pietie Or the places vrged are such as speake of mans free-will in spirituall actions and these may bee reduced to three heads First to those which perswade exhort and command men to turne and repent to doe good workes to beleeue loue and obey God To which a full answer is made before to Deut. 30. 19. Secondly to those which speake of men holpen by God in workes of pietie which are to be vnderstood of such as be holpen by Gods assisting grace who haue been prepared before by his preuenting grace Thirdly to those where men are said to be co-workers with God which must be vnderstood of them in whom God hath wrought both the will and deed first for so they worke and God also in them Phil. 2. 12 13. Through Christ saith the Apostle I can doe all things who strengtheneth mee Phil. 4. 13. I liue saith he and Christ in me So they liue together Gal. 2. 20. I labour saith he yet not I but the grace of God which was with me 2. Cor. 15. 10. He labours and grace assisteth him To all these places wee may answer generally thus First that wee doe acknowledge a freedome of will in spirituall things when God hath first wrought it in vs. Secondly that those places alledged of them speake of Gods commanding yea and commending of holy mens willingnesse prayers and holy words good workes but they doe not manifest by what power they so will so pray professe and practise and therefore doe not determine the question in hand Which other Scriptures cleerely doe for vs and against our Aduersaries XXX Proposition That some sinnes are in their owne nature veniall and doe not deserue eternall punishment TO cleere this point and to make their errour euident to all obserue what they hold to be veniall sinnes First all those sinnes and negligences into which through weakenesse vpon euery little occasion men euery houre do fall Secondly all the ill motions of the heart being without full deliberation and consent as the sudden passions of the minde concupiscence anger desire of reuenge and such like so vaine and idle thoughts Thirdly such words as sudden and violent passion without precedent deliberation and intent forceth as in a rage and fury to sweare and curse So cholericke answers for trifles rayling and reproachfull termes To these adde excessiue prating idle talking scurrilous and filthy speaking ribald songs officious lying without damage to a mans neighbour vaine boasting preferring his owne wit strength and beauty before others Fourthly such sinnes as a man committeth against his owne good as to spend his time idly gouerne his estate badly wastfully consuming his goods louing to play at Cards and Dice and to goe to Playes to exceede in apparell eating and drinking with delight of his belly Fifthly sinnes towards others as children disobeying Parents when it is of negligence and sensualitie To steale trifles and things of little value Sixtly such sinnes as bee outward to-moue delight as painting the face or for pastime as scoffing and obscene iests and gestures in Playes and such like in sport Seuenthly such sinnes as are against pietie and deuotion as not to sanctifie well the Sabbath day to fast pray giue almes and to goe to the Church for vaine-glory to confesse sinnes negligently and many other besides all these they count veniall sinnes Heere may we see plainely how it comes to passe that vaine people loue so much that vaine licentious Religion runne to it and continue in it and the reasons are First for that they make such euils as these and many other moe yea some kinde of soule secret euils veniall or no sinnes at all not simply sinnes but imperfectly and onely sinnes in some sort Secondly because they hold and teach that these are not iniurious to God are pardonable without repentance not deserue hell not in strictnesse of necessitie to bee confessed to a Priest neither can God in iustice punish them more then with a temporall punishment Thirdly because that as they teach God doth easily pardon and forgiue these and the remedies prescribed are for the most part very easie which be these the giuing of Almes knocking vpon our brest with some remorse going into a Church receiuing holy water with a deuout motion the Bishops blessing crossing of ones selfe bearing with other folkes defects and froward dealings towards vs confessing our sinnes in generall hearing of Masse deuoutly and to be patient in aduersitie and troubles These things are taught some by one sort some by another sort of their learned men See Vaux his English Catechisme also the mirrour to confesse well and D. Whites Way digress 38. Doctor White his Orthodox way cap. 1. obs 2. sect 3. pag. 28. in quarto who doe produce the Authors which teach these To hold that there are any such sinnes as these or any sinnes at all veniall in their owne nature and not deseruing damnation is the very nursery of fleshly libertie and the high-way to destruction Confuted by their owne Bible First it telleth vs that death is the stipend of sinne not excepting any Rom. 6. 21 23. and pronounceth that the soule that shall sinne the same shall dye Ezek. 18. 20. and that hee is cursed that abideth not in the words of this Law and fulfilleth them not Deut. 27. 26. Gal. 3. 10. making him that offendeth in one to be guiltie of all Iam. 2. 10. and by it also wee learne that deaths sting is sinne 1. Cor. 15. 56. And therefore whatsoeuer is sinne that same is mortall If it bee sinne it is the sting of death and if deaths sting then is it mortall For death doth euer sting deadly Secondly it threatneth death and hell for such sinnes as they count veniall offences seeming very little as in anger to call one foole is in danger of hell fire Matth. 5. 23. and for filthinesse foolish talke or scurrilitie commeth the anger of God Ephes 5. 4. 6. yea we are told that for euery idle word men shall speake they shall render an account in the Day of Iudgement and that as guilty of death Matth. 12. 36. And though our Aduersaries doe hold it a veniall sinne for a man not to husband well his owne estate liuing carelessely and idle yet Christ held it a sinne worthy damnation Matth. 25. 26 27 30. To bee a bragger to be deceitfull to breake a mans couenant to bee without knowledge though they ranke not these among hainous crimes yet deserue they death as we learne by their Bible Rom. 1. 32. Thirdly it telleth vs that for seeming small offences many haue beene fearefully punished as Lots wife for looking backe to haue beene turned into a Statue of Salt Gen. 19. 26. For gathering sticks on the Sabbath day God commanded to stone a man to death Numb 15. 35. and one for blaspheming vpon passion when he was striuing with another Leuit. 24. 10 14. Some of Aarons sonnes for offering strange fire were burnt to death with
this life but such as were accounted as dead as going downe to the graue for so Baruch speakes to Israel verse 9 11. And hee speakes of such dead Israelites and their children which had sinned before God and had not hearkened to him verse 4. expressing their deserts worthy death Doe men aliue requesting God to heare for them the prayers of the dead vse to moue God with telling of the Saints sinnes and their rebellion against him Is this a Romish prayer Heare Lord the prayers of the dead for mee for they haue sinned against thee Will any be so madde to alledge such a reason Therefore Baruch makes confession of the liuing Israelites being then through distresse as dead men and beggeth pardon for them as followeth in verse 5. Fiftly their Doway Annotation on this place is this Men in sinnes and miseries are as if they were dead verse 11. yet by Gods mercy may receiue new grace of spirituall life They then take these for men aliue and not dead as this foolish Gagger doth Reu. 2. 26 27. This is answered before and nothing concerneth the prayers of the Saints departed Luk 16. Diues in hell prayed for his brethren on earth much more then will the Saints in heauen Answ 1. This is but a supposed speech a parable and therefore nothing thence to be gathered but as is intended in the scope of the Parable Secondly if there bee such all-knowing vision and all-helping charitie in Heauen it is maruell that in all the Scripture it should no where as clearely be mentioned as this charitie of one damned in hell Reuel 6. 9 10. And I saw vnder the Altar the soules c. and they cryed with a lowd voice How long Lord holy and true doest thou not iudge and auenge our bloud on them that dwell on the earth Answ 1. This was seene by Iohn in a vision and is not to bee interpreted according to the Letter to establish a doctrine of faith Secondly though it be taken after the letter yet here is no proofe that Saints pray for any in particular but for the Church militant in generall Thirdly their Prayer is not for other in the Church they intercede not for other but the request they make concerneth themselues Fourthly their cry is literally for iustice and reuenge vpon their enemies persecutors and sheaders of their bloud Doth mindfulnesse of iniuries remaine in Saints departed They then are lesse charitable then Saints on earth Steuen at his death prayed for his enemies This place proueth not that Saints departed pray particularly here for vs on earth but rather they pray against the enemies of the Church 2. Pet. 1. 15. I will endeuour after my decease to haue remembrance of these things Answ This is not meant by his intercession to God after death but of his then present and diligent writing to them while he was aliue whereby they might bee made to remember after his decease what hee had taught them by word of mouth or writing while he liued 1. King 2. 13 19. Adoniah had a suite to Solomon and used the helpe of Bathsheba to him Absalom vsed Ioabs intercession for him to Dauid 2. Sam. 14. So should we goe vnto God by Saints intercessors for vs. Answ 1. Similitudes are for illustration but doe not proue any thing especially thus detorted absurdly Secondly the case is not alike as betweene man and man so betweene God and vs in this case Hee is God and so euery where and not as man circumscribed in a place To man wee cannot speake when and where we would but to God wee may whose eyes and thoughts are not like to mans Esai 55. Man through pride will not or through carelesnesse regards not or through ignorance knowes not or through businesse is hindered so as hee cannot helpe such as come for helpe or his attendants about him may keepe Petitioners from him so as they cannot speake to him But there are no such lets in God The Simile therefore is not fit Thirdly this is voluntarie humilitie which caused the worship of Angels by certaine Heretikes which the Apostle condemneth Col. 2. 18. Fourthly wee need no Saints to goe to God for vs for wee haue appointed by God himselfe a Mediatour of intercession betweene God and vs his Sonne Iesus Christ by whom boldly with confidence we may goe to God Ephes 3. 12. Heb. 4. 16. 10. 22. 7. 25. Fiftly as for any to goe betweene Christ and vs wee neede it not For he is the Head and all wee the members of his bodie as well those in earth as those in heauen wee here on earth being as deare to him as those in heauen Hee sitteth in heauen to request for vs and is a most mercifull High Priest touched with our infirmities Heb. 4. 15. Therefore hee tooke our nature vpon him Heb. 2. 16. to be a faithfull and mercifull High Priest verse 17. Steuen made no meanes to him but prayed immediately to him Act. 7. 59 60. and so did Iohn Reuelation 22. 20 21. Christ willeth vs himselfe to come vnto him Math. 11. 28. And we reade not that any of the Apostles or holy men praying mentioned in Scripture did euer goe to Saint or Angell to make request for them Also to answer the Simile Is there any of vs hauing a great mans Command in all our needs to come to himselfe giuing his faithfull word and promise to heare our suites requests very readily at any time and none appointed by him to heare suiters when they come but onely himselfe attending mercifully in his owne person for vs in open place without let of any that would goe first to any of his seruants and not forthwith rather to himselfe with all gladnesse I appeale to mens owne hearts in this Lastly this putting of Saints betweene Christ and vs is to make an Intercessor and to hold Saints departed if wee were sure they could heare vs which yet is very vncertaine to bee more louing more tenderly affected toward vs then Iesus Christ himselfe who hath with his owne bloud bought both them and vs. Scriptures obiected that wee may pray to God to haue our Petitions granted in fauour and merit of Saints departed Exod. 32. 13. Remember Abraham Isaac and Israel thy seruants to whom thou swarest c. Answ 1. Here is no merit of Saints vrged Secondly their persons are mentioned by Moses not for their owne worthinesse but for the Couenant which by oath God confirmed to them which Couenant Moses vrgeth not their deserts For Moses speakes of Gods act to them but not a syllable of any thing that they either did or spake note it well 2. Chron. 6. 16. Keepe with thy seruant Dauid my Father that which thou hast promised Answ 1. Here is no word no worke of Dauid remembred and therefore no merit of his vrged Secondly that which Salomon alledgeth in his prayer it Gods promise made vnto Dauid So in 2. Chro. 1. 9. in 1. Chro.
fire from heauen Leuit. 10. 1 5. Vzzah of a good intent but touching the Arke was striken dead of God 2. Sam. 6. 7. The Bethshemites for but looking into the Arke were smitten dead to the number of aboue fifty thousand 1. Sam. 6. 19. The Israelites slaine in the Wildernesse 1. Cor. 10. For vnaduisedly speaking yea when it came from a vexed and exasperated spirit was Moses punished Psal 105. 32 33. he was not permitted to goe into Canaan which was a type of Heauen but hee must dye before euen Moses Now whatsoeuer sinne vnder the Law God punished with death or commanded to be punished by death the same without remission deserued eternall death For the first time that death is mentioned it is to bee vnderstood of death temporall and eternall due to all had not there beene a Mediatour betweene God and vs Gen. 2. 17. Fourthly it teacheth that Originall sinne which is lesse then any actuall sinne whether in thought word or deed is punished with death Rom. 5. 12. Now if the reward of this sinne be death then surely much more any other flowing from thence though it seeme to man neuer so small an offence deserueth death as the very consent of the minde to other euill doers among which boasters are reckoned is worthy of death Rom. 1. 32. yea and Commessations which we translate Reuellings wherein too many much delight is a sinne which keepes the doers thereof that they cannot obtaine the Kingdome of God Gal. 5. 21. Fifthly sinnes of ignorance vnder the law Leuit. 4. 2 13 27. had sacrifices appointed to make an atonement to God for them Now all sacrifices for sinne shewed that a man deserued death for euery such sinne Now if sinnes of ignorance deserue death what may all men think of such sins as Papists call veniall before-mentioned plainely forbidden by the Word of God Sixtly to commit adulterie is a mortall sinne but their Bible telleth vs that for one to see a woman to lust after her hath al-already committed adulterie with her in his heart Matth. 5. 28. And can any sinne seeme lesse then concupiscence of the heart suddenly arising by the obiect to the sight And yet Papists make wanton dalliances no sinne or as none in their account Seuenthly it sheweth that it is Christs bloud that cleanseth from all sinne 1. Ioh. 1. Now if euery sinne needs cleansing by his bloud then euery sinne in its owne nature is mortall in that it cannot be cleansed but by his death Contraried by Antiquitie Austin in Enchirid. cap. 79. speaking of sinnes which might seeme small saith They might bee thought very light but that in the Scriptures they are demonstrated greater then wee doe imagine But that the truth speakes it who would thinke saith hee that for a man to call his Brother foole is guiltie of hell-fire The ancient Fathers earnestly exhort to beware of counting any sinnes light or small Basil qu. Contract qu. 4. No sinne is to bee accounted as small for that saith hee it is the sting of death See for this Austin Epist 108. and in Ioh. 11. 13. Chrysost on Gal. 1. Ierome in Epist ad Caelantiam It is very safe to beware of small sinnes as if they were great c. Neither doe I know saith he whether we may call any sinne small seeing it is committed with a kinde of contempt of God And he is most prudent who respects not so much the quantitie of the thing commanded as the dignitie of the Commander See Master Perkins his Demonst of his Probl. of veniall sin and therein many testimonies of the Ancients Gainsaid by their owne men Almaine out of Gerson Moral Tract 3. cap. 20. concludeth that no sinne is veniall of it selfe but onely through the mercy of God Azorius instit Moral part 1. lib. 4. cap. 8. doth maintaine against Bellarmine that veniall sinnes are against the Law Now that which is against the Law is deadly Of this opinion is Fisher Bishop of Rochester and diuers others See the Authors in Doctor Whites Way digres 38. pag. 247. and Bishop Mortons Protest Appeal pag. 646. To passe ouer the oppositions of one against another they all call them sinnes Now euery sinne is the transgression of the Law 1. Ioh. 3. 4. By which we come to the knowledge of sinne Rom. 3. 26. and 7. 7. And if there were no Law there were no transgression Rom. 4. 15. Therefore in confessing veniall sinnes to be sinnes they make them transgressions of the Law and then the Law worketh wrath Rom. 4. 15. and so necessarily through veniall sinnes they are vnder wrath and so sinne mortally euen to condemnation except God in Christ pardon them and that they doe heartily repent pray for pardon and seeke with God reconciliation by Christ Scriptures obiected answered Matth. 5. 25. Whosoeuer is angry with his brother without cause is in danger of Iudgement And whosoeuer shall say vnto his Brother Racha shall be in danger of Councill and whosoeuer shall say Thou Foole shall be guilty of Hell-fire Answ This place proueth not any sinnes to be veniall and not mortall in their owne nature For first this should be against the scope of Christs speech in confuting the Pharises mis-vnderstanding the Law and here in particular the sixt commandement They stucke to the Letter Christ here extendeth the breach of this Law to thoughts and words so making a man by causelesse anger and railing words to be before God guiltie of murder Is this then to make sinne veniall or are not rather those which they conceit to bee veniall by Christ here made mortall if to be guilty of bloud before God be mortall Secondly here is no difference made of sinnes in their nature but onely here is shewed the degrees of sinning and that one offence is greater then another For faine would I know of them how they can distinguish these in nature that anger and calling one Racha should be veniall and to call one Foole to bee mortall Thirdly the punishments here expressed distinguish not the nature of the sinnes but shew the degrees of punishments according as men sinne For as God in mercy will reward mens well-doings with degrees of glory so in iustice will he in hell the damned with degrees of punishment Matth. 10. 15. Fourthly whereas our Aduersaries make Iudgement and Councill temporall punishments for veniall sinnes and hell fire for mortall sinnes taking aduantage by the translation of the word Gehenna First it is cleere that punishments doe not alter the nature of sinnes but being duely executed doe shew onely the degrees of sinne to be greater or lesser and so are they accordingly punished Secondly Papists themselues hold vnaduised anger and words euen tending to blasphemie comming of sudden and vnaduised anger as the word Racha and Foole doe here to be veniall sinnes Therefore they erre in distinguishing the sinnes thus into veniall and mortall which they themselues account to be veniall Thirdly the punishments here mentioned are such