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A69024 A replie to a relation, of the conference between William Laude and Mr. Fisher the Jesuite. By a witnesse of Jesus Christ Burton, Henry, 1578-1648. 1640 (1640) STC 4154; ESTC S104828 423,261 458

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notwithstanding after all this I say you inferre L. p. 280. These and their like have given so great a scandal● among us to some Ignorant though I presume well meaning men that they are affraid to testifie their duty to God even in his own house by any outward gesture at all In so much that these very Ceremonies which by the Iudgement of godly and learned men have now long continued in the practise of this Church suffer hard measure for the Romish superstition sake But I will conclude this point with a saying of Beatus Rhenanus Who could indure the People sayes he rushing into the Church like swine into a sty Doubtlesse Ceremonies do not hurt to the People but profit them so there be a meane kept and that By be not put for the Maine that is so we place not the Principall part of our Piety in them P. Concerning These to wit Images as also Ceremonies we have spoken somthing before what more is requisite for this Passage we shall briefly adde And first If Images in Churches so scandalous why are you so curious and zealous for the setting of them up and the garnishing of them Is it because Afternoon-Sermons on the Lords dayes being put down so as the people having little imployment for their Eares they may instead thereof have such goodly objects for their Eyes to gaze upon Populo ut placerent and so by such Books learne that they may aswell goe to their May-pole and spend their time in beholding a Morice-dance as gaze upon such dumb shews But if they be scandalous you know who sayd Wo to that man by whom th● scandall cometh But to whom are they scandalous Alas it is but to some ignorant say you though perhaps well meaning men And for such it matters not much if they stumble at those blocks But perhaps that ignorant but well meaning man who takes offenee at your Images and for that and other your Idolatrous Romish superstitions about your Altars abhorres communion with you perhaps say I Surely this is one signe of a true Child of God and of a well-meaning and no ignorant Christian is one of God Allmighties fooles as you and the world call and account them And then heare what Christ saith againe Who so shall offend one of these little ones which beleeve in me it were better for him that a milstone were hanged about his necke and that he were drowned in the depth of the Sea What thinke you of this as small account as you make of those your ignorant well meaning men who are scandalised by your many Romish superstitions And the least true beleever in Christ however you take him for an Ignoramus yet he knows more of Christ then you doe and if you have more litterall knowledge the greater is your sinne in both giving scandall to such and punishing of them for not sinning against their Conscience so scandalized But are onely ignorant well-meaning men offended with your Popish or Romish Images and ragged Reliques of superstition and Idolatry wherwith your Churches are pestered and the pure worship of God corrupted so as they are affraid to testifie their duty to God in that place which you call his house Certainly if they be such as are indeed ignorant of Christ and have not the power of Religion and the Spirit of Christ in them but such Protestants at large as look to be saved by their well-meaning these are least of all affrayd to testifie such duty as you doe as taking your superstition for the best part of their Religion aswell as you doe being brought up in no other Schoole but yours But such as are offended wherfore are they affrayd Of doing their duty to God in his house What call you that Gods-house which you make the Tyring-house of all your superstitious guises and the stage or Theater of your pompous service wherein you please your selves and not God and that his Temple wherein you erect an Altar to the Devil Doe you startle at it I say To the Devil For is not that the Devils Altar whereon our onely True Altar Iesus Christ is crucified afresh denyed and destroyed And is not all superstitious and will-worship and that Altar-worship a sacrifice offered to the Devil on your Altar Doth not the Apostle say that the things which the Gentiles sacrificed they sacrificed to Devils and not to God Why they meant it to God they erected their Altars to God and not to the Devil Agnosto ●eo To the unknown God was that Altar in Athens dedicated How then was it to the Devil Because it was a strange worship which God never commanded The Altar was strange and so the service too And even so is your Altar and Altar-worship and service though you pretend it and intend it to God and to Christ yet because therein you doe with Corah and his company offer strange fire and strange incense such as he hath not commanded and such as whereby Christ Iesus is denyed and renounced it is no better then the service of the Devil In the Law we read that all strange Incense of mans devising was straitly forbidden to be offered to the Lord. Yea whosoever made any composition of Incense like unto that which the Lord commanded was to dye the death For the breach of which Law in this point besides that of Corah and his Company we have a terrible example in Nadab and Abihu the sons of Aaron who tooke either of them Censers and put fire therein and put Incense thereon and offered strange fire before the Lord which he commanded them not And there went out fire from the Lord and devoured them and they dyed before the Lord. And it is noted also of them that they had no Children so as their Name and Memory perished with them Now Incense signified Prayer and the service of God which if it be not that which the Lord hath expresly commanded it is death to him that offereth it or deviseth it So as your Altars and Altar-service being such as the Lord hath not commanded but forbidden and condemned being taught by the Precept of men and are a denying of Iesus Christ as before is proved your sinne therein is so much greater then that of the Heathen for they offered upon a strange Altar to the unknown God but you with your Eyes open at noon-day doe presume to set up Altars of wood and stone of your own devising and theron offer the strange Incense of your Prayers and service thinking them to be the more effectuall and more acceptable to God because they are offered up upon your Altar For which your high presumption what can you expect but terrible Judgements and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversaries such as the Apostle there saith sin willingly Ekousíos that is wittingly and willingly after they have received the knowledge of the truth for whom there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin