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A25869 The arraignment and plea of Edw. Fitz-Harris, Esq. with all the arguments in law, and proceedings of the Court of Kings-Bench thereupon, in Easter term, 1681. Fitzharris, Edward, 1648?-1681, defendant.; England and Wales. Court of King's Bench. 1681 (1681) Wing A3746; ESTC R6663 92,241 70

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