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A62893 The Muggletonians principles prevailing being an answer in full to a scandalous and malicious pamphlet, intituled A true representation of the absurd and mischevious principles of the sect called Muggletonians : herein the aforesaid principles are vindicated, and proved to be infallibly true : and the author of that libel, his scandalous title and subject proved as false to truth, as light is to darkness, and that he knows no more what the true God is, nor what the right devil is, nor any true principle or foundation of faith, for all his great learning he so much bosts of, then those Jews that put the Lord of life to death, for learned and taught reason is but natural, and so falls short of the glory of God, as will appear in the following discourse / by T.T. Tomkinson, Thomas, 1631-1710? 1695 (1695) Wing T1840; ESTC R18719 47,859 79

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Man object Paul's persecuting the Church they may know that Paul at that time acknowledged no Jesus at all therefore when both sides acknowledges a Jesus take heed how you Persecute I have been somthing larger than I intended as to the Church-History and that because your Church doth so much boast and Glory upon Antiquity like the Papists for there is no great Difference between you nor the other Churches only in outward things for the essential Points of Faith is one and the same with you all for you have all one God and one Devil one Heaven and one Hell So that if one of you be true you are all true and if one of you be false ye are all false Therefore it were well if your Reason would be so moderate as to bear with and forbear one another being you are all one both in the Root and in the Fruit but that you will never do but on the contrary you will ever be exciting the Magistrates to Persecution and Bloodshed Revel 17.3 15.6.18 18.24 But happy is it for that Nation in the Temporal and that Nation or Holy City in the Spiritual whose Magistrates are so prudent as not to harken to the Priests Instigations but on the contrary to stop the Course of the Violent by wholsom Laws These are those good Beasts or head Magistrates Revel 4.6 spoken of by the Scriptures who are said to have Eyes before and behind The Eye of Faith before which shews them that Conscience belongs to God and the Eye of Reason behind to see that all Affairs in the Temporal be kept well exercising Justice and true Judgment Rom. 13.3 preserving and defending the Innocent who break not the Civil Law And on the other hand Acts 5.38 punishing the Transgressors of any of the Civil Laws of the Land according to their Demerit These and such like Magistrates are the truly Nursing Fathers and shall prosper This we leave to Providence and proceed In the latter end of your Pamphlet you pretend a great many of Contradictions committed by Lodowick Muggleton and John Reeve but the Answer before might serve for them all that are worth the Answering yet I shall Answer to Two or Three Things more that you charge against them In Page 25. You say That John Reeve doth affirm that no Man can foretel Eclipses of the Sun and Moon but by Revelation From whence say you the Astrologers are much beholding to him who tells them they write their Alminacks by Revelation if they therein foretel Eclipses as what Astrologer doth not CHAP. XIII ANSWER 1. HERE you wrest their Words and frame a wrong Sense of them for the Time when an Eclipse falls out is one thing and the Time of the Ephects of Working is another Of some of the Eclipses the Astrologers say the Time of their Ephects last for so many Months others the Time of so many Years before the Ephects will have done working Wherefore then it follows that John Reeve doth not say That none of the Figurative Marchants doth know when or at what time an Eclipse will fall but their Ephects and time of them Ephects how long they will be in working These Things said John Reeve can no Man know but by Inspiration which is positively True And thus you Church-Doctor raise Slanders to blast their Reputation and so Truth comes to be vilified as I shewed before for Truth may be buried under Falsehood for a time Again pag. 25 you charge them with another Error saying That they affirm that the Eclipse of the Moon is never but when it is near the Sun When as say you it is manifest that its Eclipse is when it is opposite to the Sun and that the Earth is between them which doth occasion it by with-holding it s borrowed Light But to this I answer 2. Here again you have abused John Reeve and in plain terms bely'd him which one would think a Man of that seeming Purity would not have done For John Reeve doth not deny its Eclips when opposite to the Sun but saith for these are his Words the Eclipse of the Moon is through her near conjunction with the Natural Light or Ruler of the Day or a Planatary Fire answerable to its nature that occasions the Eclipse Now this we do affirm and your Astrologers do not deny it but that there are Stars of a fiery nature and Experience shews it For what is the reason that there is more heat when the Sun is in Leo then there is when it enters Cancer when as the Sun is nearest to us when it enters that Sign but only that the Heat is occasioned by the rising of some Fiery Stars as that which they call the Dogg Star and others of the like nature So likewise the occasion of the Moons Eclipse it is not by the Sons not rendring its borrowed Light by reason of the Earths interposing her self betwixt those Lumenaries but it is through her being near to some of them Fiery Stars as those which the Astrologers call the Dragons-Head or Dragons-Tail one of which being always near to the Moon when she suffers an Eclipse 3. We do likewise affirm that the Moon borrows no Light from the Sun but that it is a real created Light of it self Gen. 1.16 for Moses saith That God made two great Lights but your Astrologers and you say That God made but one Whether should we believe Moses or you for saith Moses One of them is made to rule the Day and the other is made to rule the Night 4ly The Sun and Moon are of contrary natures one is fiery hot the other is cold and watery therefore it is contrary to Reason that the one should receive any Light from the other and therefore there can be no agreement betwixt them for Experience shews us that the Moon is cold and watery being made out of the Water and so is the Lady of the Water and occasions the Ebbing and Flowing of the Seas and the running of all Rivers drawing the Waters after her as the Loadstone doth Iron But on the other Hand the Sun is hot and firy being the Captain of all Fire and so draws combustible Matter up to it self which occasioneth Thunder which is a War betwixt Fire and Water and thus they appear in their contrariety of Natures which we see further by Experience that the clearer that the Sun doth shine the hotter it is but the clearer the Moon doth shine the colder it is So that from what is said may be seen who the Astrologers are most beholding to whither to you or John Reeve let all Men judg for John Reeve in this Prinsiple is as contrary to the Astrologers as the Sun and Moon are contrary in Nature Furthermore You object against John Reeve for saying that the Sun Moon and Stars move all in one Firmament And for saying That they are not much bigger then they appear to us To this you say That they are