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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
day_n	hour_n	long_a	pole_n	7,371	5	12.8538	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A57666	The new planet no planet, or, The earth no wandring star, except in the wandring heads of Galileans here out of the principles of divinity, philosophy, astronomy, reason, and sense, the earth's immobility is asserted : the true sense of Scripture in this point, cleared : the fathers and philosophers vindicated : divers theologicall and philosophicall points handled, and Copernicus his opinion, as erroneous, ridiculous, and impious, fully refuted / by Alexander Rosse ; in answer to a discourse, that the earth may be a planet.	Ross, Alexander, 1591-1654.	1646 (1646)	Wing R1970; ESTC R3474	118,883	127

a vulgar opinion to say that the Sunne is in the midst of Heaven then all the chiefe learned both in Divinitie Philosophie and Poetrie speake as the Vulgar doe for they use the same phrase hence came the word Meridian Meridies Mid-day Mid-night If the Sunne were not every day in the midst of Heaven how should the Artificiall day be divided into equall parts Therefore Clavins tells us that the Meridian is called by Astronomers the midst of Heaven the line of the midst of Heaven c. And the Prince of Poets speakes both of the Sunne and Moone in the midst of Heaven Iam medium Phoebus conscenderat igneus orbem Phoebe Noctivago curra medium pulsabat Olympum 5. I would know of you if all Vulgar opinions be false That I hope you will not say If then the Vulgar speake sometime truth why may not the Scripture speake truth with the Vulgar or why should truth be of lesse esteeme because vulgar it should be otherwise for Bonum quo communius eo meliús It is ridiculous to think with you that the Sun was over Gibeon only in appearance and vulgar conceit For indeed the Sun was truly over Gibeon although he was no more over that then over other places Suppose you were in Pauls Church and divers others were there too is the roofe of that Church over your head only in appearance and vulgar conceit because it is over other heads as well as yours or because it is much larger then your head Or must that phrase be thought improper the roofe is over your head 2. The figure Eclipsis is frequent in Scripture when there some words wanting in a phrase which are to be supplied as 2 Sam. 6. 6. Vzza put forth to the Arke is understood his hand So 2 Chro. 10. 11. I with Scorpions is understood will chastise you So here Sun stand still in Gibeon is understood while we are fighting and so the words must be rendered Stand still whilest we are fighting in Gibeon for not onely the city but its territories where Ioshua's army was are called by the same name So Moon in the valley of Ajalon is understood goe not downe These words There was no day like that before it or after it you say are not to be understood absolutely but in respect of the vulgar opinion because there be longer dayes under the Pole Answ. Ioshua spoke not this with any reference to vulgar opinions but to the Climate in which he lived and where the miracle was shewed it was the longest day that ever was in those parts and what reason had he to except the dayes under the Poles being nothing to his purpose When Christ saith There be twelve houres in the day his words cannot be understood absolutely for there be more houres where the Horizon hath any obliquity and the higher the Pole is elevated above the Horizon the more houres have the dayes in Summer yet his words are true in sphera recta and in those Countreys that are under and neere the Line And what will you conclude from this that because these and such like phrases are not to be understood absolutely therefore this phrase the Sun moves is not to be understood absolutely But I will reply These phrases are true in respect of the Climate they were spoken of ergo this phrase also the Sun moves is true in regard of the Climate it is spoken of If then Judea be the place where the Earth is stable and the Sun moves your opinion is quite overthrown by the force of your own instance for if the Earth be immoveable in any Climate and the Sun moveable we have that which we desire it lieth on you to shew how and why the Sun should move there and not elsewhere why and how the earth moves here and not there 2. These words of Ioshua's perhaps have no reference to the length of the day although the vulgar Translation read it so but rather to the greatnesse of the miracle the Heavens hearkening to the voyce of a mortall man Ioshua acknowledgeth That never any such day was before or since that the Lord hearkned to the voyce of a man For so the Hebrew and Greeke read it 4. The Scripture saith That the Sun returned ten degrees in the dyall of Achaz this you will have to be understood of the shadow only So I perceive the Sun and the shadow light and darknesse is all one with you Take heed of the woe denounced against them that call light darknesse and darknesse light Why may you not in other places aswell as in this by the Sun understand the shadow as At Ioshua's command the Sun stood still that is the shadow stood Wee shall shine as the Sun that is wee shall be dark as the shadow 2. You mince the miracle and the power of God too much for is it not as easie for him to make the Sun goe back as to make the shadow returne Wherein is his absolute Soveraignty seen and his transcendent puissance but in the obedience of all creatures even of the Sun Moon and Stars to his commands St. Austin disputing against the Gentiles sheweth them That Nature is not the supreme guider of all things and hee instanceth in the standing and going back of the Sun His Argument had bin of no force had not the Sun moved at all as you think 3. If the shadow moved onely without the Sun then either that shadow moved it self which is ridiculous to think or it was moved by the motion of the dyall or of the gnomon and index of the dyall Now if the dyall or gnomon was moved by God or an Angel tell us where you read it Why might it not as well be turned about with a mans hand or by some engine and so this would have bin a suspected miracle or else the shadow returned according to the motion of some other luminous body so this were to multiply miracles needlesly for 1. that light must be created for that purpose 2. It must have a particular motion of its own 3. It must be a greater light then that of the Sunne otherwise the shadow had not beene discernible 4. It must either be united to some other light or else vanish all which was needlesse is it not safer then to adhere to Gods word from which when we wander we fall into many by-wayes And whereas you tell us That the miracle is proposed onely concerning the shadow I answer we are not to consider so much what is proposed as what was effected God useth to effect more then he proposeth and to performe more then he promiseth 2. You say There would have been some intimation of the extraordinary length of the day as it is in that of Ioshua I answer there was no such reason why the length of this day should be mentioned because this day was much shorter then Ioshua's in respect it fell out in the winter solstice whereas that of

of a Gyant if there be no motion in the winde and thunder it had been idle to give wings to the one or arrowes to the other as David doth 3. Will you make the Scripture not onely ass●er● a falshood in positive tearmes but also bring similitudes to illustrate it this is to make the holy Ghost a cherither fomenter and maintainer of untruths for so it must be if the Sunne move not the Scripture shewing it doth move and declaring by similies how it doth move 4. What consequence is this The Scripture compareth the Sun to a Bridegroome and a Gyant ergo the Scripture speaking of the Suns motion speakes in reference to the false opinion of the Vulgar it is all one with this The Gospel compares Christ to a Bridegroome ergo the Gospel speaking of Christs humanity speakes in reference to the false opinion of the Vulgar 5. There is ods between positive speeches and comparisons the Sun is never called a Bridegroome in Scripture but is said to be like a Bridegroome Simile non est idem But in Scripture still the Sun is said to move and the earth to be stable in positive tearmes 6. That David in this comparison did allude to the phansie of ignorant people supposing the Sun by night to rest in a chamber is but your groundlesse conceit you might say rather that he alluded to the fiction of Poets describing Aurora to go to bed every night with Tythonus Tythous croceum ●●● quens Aurora cubile or to that golden bed which Vulcan made him in which he is carried through the Sea 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 But neither to this pleasant bed nor to that of Tythonus nor to the Vulgar conceit doth David allude but simply sets out Gods Majesty in the glory of the Sunne by a familiar example taken from the glory of a Bridegroome coming out of his chamber 7. This former part of the Psalme is interpreted by the Fathers mystically of Christ whose motion and alacrity to run his race from the wombe to the grave from heaven to earth and from earth to heaven I hope you will not say are to be understood in reference to the false opinion of the Vulgar 8. He is not compared to a Gyant in respect of his bignesse in the morning as you say no more then he is to a dwarfe in respect of his littlenesse at noone but in respect of the indefatigable swiftnesse of his motion he is compared to a mighty runner for there is no mention made of a Gyant in the Hebrew text neither was it fit to compare him to a Gyant 9. Nor doth David allude to the Vulgar opinion when he speakes of the ends of Heaven for in a round globe or circle there are no ends but he speaks with relation to the Hemisphere which you must needs yeeld hath ends for it terminates and ends in the Horizon called therefore Finitor Besides in the Hebrew Greeke and Latine texts it is not said the ends but the remotest parts of Heaven and so you cannot deny but some parts are remoter from us then other parts 10. Neither hath the Scripture any reference to the common mistake as if the Sun were actually hot when it saith nothing is hid from the heate thereof these Philosophers who deny any actuall heat in the Sun yet say the Sun is hot and I doubt not but you have said so many a time and yet you have no reference to any actuall heate in the Sun Do not you use to call cinnamon-water and such like distilled waters hot waters and yet they are actually cold Philosophers tell us that Saturne is cold and yet they doe not thinke that he is the subject of cold but the cause onely The Scripture saith That none can avoid the anger of God and yet you will not say that this passion is in God The Sunne then is hot not by any heate in him but by calefaction from him 2. When the Scripture saith The Sunne riseth and goeth downe this is not spoken in relation to the circumference which is equally distant from the Center but in reference to the Horizon as you confesse or rather to the scituation of Judea and so of other Countreys and in this respect the Sunne doth not onely seeme but doth in very deed rise and fall to the Inhabitants For doth not the Sunne truely ascend when he comes to your meridian and truely descend when he removes from it Doth he not truly ascend and descend to those who have him for their Zenith in their meridian Astronomers tell us that there is a true and reall rising and falling of the Starres as well as an apparent and then are they not truely said to rise and fall when they doe truely ascend above and descend beneath the Horizon If the Sunne doth not truely ascend and descend then the shadowes doe not truly increase and decrease and so our Sun-dialls doe not truely shew us the hours of the day but in shew onely and in appearance but wee see that the shadow still decreaseth as the luminous body ascendeth and encreaseth as that descendeth Virgils Tytirus can tell you so much Majoresque cadunt altis de montibus umbrae Et Sol discadens crescentes duplicat umbras 3. Joshua saith That the Sunne stood still in the midst of heaven Now Heaven you say hath no midst but the Center and so this is also spoken in reference to the Vulgar opinion Answ. By the Center either you must understand the Earth or the Sunne the Earth indeed is in the midst of the world but not in the midst of Heaven for it is not there at all if it were Christ needed not to ascend to Heaven being in the midst of it when he was on the earth Wicked men then would have the best of it for as they have the largest possessions on earth so should they have the largest shares in heaven If by the Center you meane the Sunne then you speake in reference to the Vulgar opinion for the Center is in the midst of Heaven the Sunne is the Center therefore the Sun is in the midst of Heaven and so Joshua saith 2. By the Heaven he doth not understand the whole celestiall Globe but the Hemisphere and so this having its Horizon or outmost limits and extreames must also have its middle and what can that else be but the Meridian passing through the Zenith Thus then it is demonstrable that whatsoever is equally distant from the extreames is in the midsts but the Sun being in the Zenith or Meridian is equally distant from the extreames therefore the Sun being in the Zenith is in the midst of Heaven 3. The Hebrew Doctors tell us that when the Sun stood still hee was then in the Summers solstice being the Tropicke of Cancer from which Judea is not farre distant and so in that regard also Joshua might truly say that the Sunne was in the midst of Heaven being then over their heads 4. If it be