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A13763 Newes from the north. Otherwise called The conference betvveen Simon Certain, and Pierce Plowman, faithfully collected and gathered by T.F. student T. F., student. 1579 (1579) STC 24062; ESTC S118412 60,813 88

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honor and reuerence because hée is the Law which is moste honorable and reuerend this I confesse as an vndouted trueth namely for that the end aswel of the one as of the other is that God may be honored and glorified godly People cherished and maintain peace and concord strengthned and furthered wherupon standeth the pro●peritie the good estate of all Cuntries and common welths their wayes and meanes you haue alleaged are these To punish and chastice the wicked and the vngodly and to restrain their libertie as much as is possible Yée haue further alleaged that punishments are diuers some corporall some pecuniall and that that all punishments are gréeuous bothe vnto the sufferers and also vnto the dooers therof but that I will not graunt ye without distinction Very true it is that all punishments without exception are greeuous vnto the sufferers therof but vnto the executor therof they are not all so namely such as are pecuniall and the gaine therof returning vnto the executor For although that to beat burn hang or whip any creature of God namely a Christian man or woman is an odious thing wherin no good or Godly hart can haue pleasure yet for aduauntage sake it is often otherwise for otherwise there would not so many Oxen Shéep and Calues be murthered and so few Hogs Dogs or Cats their offences béeing only their good flesh Wherfore although that in all Godly reason your arguments haue great necessitie yet in humaine reason and experience it hath butb are probabilitie and is no more But as if for example you wil say Women ought to be ashamed to be séene bibbing Wine in common Tauerns or to be séen at common lasciuious and bawdie Stage Playes therfore they are ashamed therof This is an argument gathered from posse to esse to wit from should or ought to be to is simply and hath not any necessitie nor firmitie and that shall you sée if you will goe with me to London this next terme How be it you séeme to inforce your antecedent by the honorable existimation wherin I am bound to haue the Magistrate and Officer and therby you think that of dutie I ought to graunt it you for the shamefull consequence which necessarily ensueth vpon the denyall therof Truely that not withstanding me thinketh all this but a very bare and naked proofe ● Simon maintaineth his assertion by authoritie of holy Scripture and diuersitie taken betvveen the revvarde of Vertue Learning and Knovvledge and the hire of seruile trauail and labour Cap. 7. CAll you this a bare and naked proof Neighbour Pierce quoth our Hoast if you denye this proof quoth hée you reuerse ouerthrow all humain societie which is maintained and vpholdē by giuing vnto God y which is due vnto God and vnto man the which is due vnto man But vnto God what can wée giue saue honor prayse glory first and immediatly vnto him self and secondly vnto his Deputies and Lieutenaunts to wit Magistrates Officers whose calling and appointing therunto as it is of God so must and ought wée to think that it is for their godlynes and vertues for God him self hath said them that honor mée I will honor and they that dishonour mée I will dishonour wherfore our wise and reuerend Elders and Forefathers in their assessing these great Fées and charges did mean to honor them whome God honoured And therfore vnto their callings appoited they great and honorable reuenues knowing that their gain is the punishment of vice and the rewarde of Vertue and that the part portion of all the godly is therin knowing also that there is not so great Incouragement vnto Vertue and Godlynes as the liberall rewarde therof and that all vngodlynes and vnthankfulnes is measured by the greatnes of the goodnes and benefit receiued either at y handꝭ of God or man Lastly knowing the they might not prosecute but persecute the causes occasiōs of these gains as hath alredy béen prooued and therfore I say abooue all common reason and discretion they assessed these Fées and ●euenues that the gains might be great and yet the causes therof few quite contrary to all other estates and faculties for what other reason is there that one man shall labour fore a whole day at night shall receiue twelue pence or eight pēce for his hire An other for half or a quarter of an houres easie trauail shall receiue xx shillings or sometime more what is the cause of this diuersitie euen this the one is a hire and a price of a seruile labour and trauell and is receiued in proper and priuat vse the other is an honor doone vnto vertue Godlinesse and knowledge which doo receiue nor holde or account any so base things proper or priuat or can be so basely minded as to ioy therin further then they may glorify God therby What other reason is there that one man in the return of a Reame of paper shall gaine xij pence or xvi pence cléer and yet where he layd out ij pence the other layd out x. shillings And after the same rate in Wax that one man shall sell more for vi pence then an other shall sell for viij pound which neuerthelesse bought as déere as he within xy pence at xx shillings waring and bothe layd out more mony longer looked for the return therof I say theris no reason other then is already made Pierce denyeth the calling to office to be such as Simon hath alledged Chap. 8. NEighour Simon quoth Pierce wheras you maintaine your assersion by the woorthines of the Magistrate and Officer and doo insist therupon alledging that they are called by God and that for their godlines and vertue The first part I greatly dout for that many of them buy their offices and pay very déerely therfore yea some sell their very inheritaunces for that purpose I mean to buy offices now did I neuer read that euer God receiued Money for an office how be it I refer my self héerein to my Maisters that are learned The next part that they are called for their Vertue and Godlines surely then I verily suppose some of them are called for the things that neuer were in them before and then were the caller deceiued which God cannot be except you will say that God of his méere goodnes and mercy called them for the vertues and godlines which he meaneth to call them vnto and in this order beginneth to woork I meane in bestowing vpon them so liberally by that meanes to charge them with his expectation in respect of their great Talent committed vnto them which thing you séeme to alledge as no small cause and consideration of the high assessing of the fees and charges aforesayd and that so great mercies graces bestowed vpon them by God and so liberall reward appointed vnto them by men should suffise to make them godly and verteous from thence foorth what so euer they were or had béene before All which arguments
Freends doo this at my request To heare and see and alvvay say the best Honos alit Artes. A M. Thomas procter in reporte of the Authors good vvil AMong the moorthy Woorks which ●●arued Tully pend The care of Cuntrie and of freends hee greatly dooth commend ¶ Which lesson in my minde the Man which took in hand To pen this plesant History did perfect vnderstand ¶ For in the same hee showes a looue vnto his Frends Beside a zealous minde of good that to his Cuntrie tends ¶ Of Louers liues of vvarres ne yet of vvunders great Hee seemes to publish vnto vs. but simply dooth intreat ¶ Of silly Men whose proof dooth such experience giue As for Examples of our lines learnes eche estate to liue ¶ Wherin the Author sought such meanes to publish it As in my simple Iudgement sure might seem to prooue his Wit. ¶ But for the careful paines which he hath spent heerin Hee only craues for recompence your fauours good to win ¶ Wherby you may him mooue to vtter his good wil When as occasion shall him serue in woorks of greater skil Nil melius Arte T P. Iohn Peeterhouse to the Reporter of this History THou that hast reported this pleasant History Wherof thine eyes and eares are a witnesse And hast intreasured the memory Of Pierce and Simon for their woorthines Withouten hope of hire or recompence For thy long iourney or for thy dispence ¶ Thou hast acquit thy dutie vnto them In this behalf and if I gesse aright Thou hast deserued well of other men Before whom thou hast set a Candle light Of Nurture and of Education By men of base and meane condition ¶ Which some for that cause wil estéeme the lesse Hauing respect vnto the circumstaunce The great apparaunce of vnlikelynesse Waying all others in their owne ballaunce As if that God could not reserue a few Such as him list his glory for to shew ¶ For what though this age vniuersally Séemeth giuen ouer to corruption Séemed it not so in the dayes of Elie When yet God had reserued many a one So hath he now that are not gon aside Nor solde them selues to Couetise and Pride ¶ As thou hast well shewed in this History What by thine owne proofe and experience What by thine Hoste Simons authoritie Which for mine owne part I doo reuerence And therfore I say thank come to thy hand That hast it giuen vs to vnderstand ¶ And puttest vs in hope that Charitie Is not stark dead though she be wounded sore By Pride and Couetise her enemye And that our God yet kéepeth some in store That bothe in déed and woord doo séeke his praise God let them wax and giue them happy dayes FINIS ¶ The Reporter to his Book My little Book where so thou chaunce to dwel God giue thee fauour in thy Readers sight Whom if thou please all thou must quit thee well And better then I feare is in thy might For that dooth seldome chaunce to any one Better or wurse without exception ¶ If any man or Woman chalenge thee● For any woord or any argument Come not to seek thy defence at me● For I am not thine Author verament Get thee into the North to Rippon Town And there enquire for Pierce y woorthy Clown ¶ And eke for Simon Certaine at the Signe Of the Greek Omega there dooth he dwell Where welcome thou shalt be as I diuine● Aske them whether thou haue reported well Their Conference according to the trueth If they say yea of others haue no rueth FINIS Hovv the Author comming homevvard out of Scotland through Yorkshire chaunced to lodge in Rippon At vvhat signe the name of the Hoste the order and maner of the House and Family And his entertaynment there Chap 1. IN my last return from Edenbrough in Scotland comming homeward through Yorkshire I traueled somewhat out of the common high London way of purpose to sée the Countrie And one day among others toward euen I chaunced to come to a little through fare Town called Rippon where at the very entring into the town I met a poore olde Woman of whom I asked if there were any good lodging in the town She answe red me that there was good lodging at the Signe of y Gréek Omega The Gréek Omega quoth I What doo you mean by that Nothing said she but that there is good lodging and honest entertainment which I suppose is all that you require Then I asked her what was the Good mans name of the house His name quoth she is Simon Certain we call him commonly Sim Certain Sim Certain quoth I surely these are very straunge names and so bidding her farewell I departed into the town ward much more desirous to be come to my lodging for the straungenes of the names aswel of the Signe as also of the Good man of the House By that time I had entred a little way into the town I was ware of a very faire Greek Omega hanging foorth as a common Signe euen as the olde Woman had tolde me befors And thither I went and entring into the house I found in the Hall the Good man his two Sonnes his Chamberlain and his Hostler singing the C iiij Psalme of Dauid very distinctly and orderly The Goodwife with her two Daughters sat spinning at their Whéeles a little distaunce from them All which things when I behéeld I thought with my self that these things were yet more straunge to beholde then were either the Signe or els the Good mans name to heare So I had them God spéed The Hoste very courteously arose and had me welcome so did the wife also and asked me whether I meant to tary all night I answered yea Then he asked me if I would sée my Chamber No gentle Hoste quoth I I will not hinder so much you good exersise for I am sure I cannot be lodged amisse in this house Not so Sir quoth he but ye shall haue the best that we haue and welcome I gaue him hartye thanks Then he enquired of me of whence I was where I had béene and whither I was bound I tolde him I was a Southern man borne and dwelling and that I had béene at Edenborough in Scotland and was thus farre in my way homeward In good time Sir quoth he and yée are hartily welcome into this part of Yorkshire I thank you gentle Hoste quoth I. The comming thither of Pierce Plovvman beeing nevvly come from London His request to the Hoste to lend him fiue pound vppon a pavvn The refusall of the Hoste the question thereupon mooued beeing the matter of the Conference Chap. 2. BY that time we had talked scant half an houre there came in a Countrie man a Neighbour a tolly olde fatherly man bringing vnder his arme a fardel of Bookes as many as be might well holde vndernethe one of his armes he gaue vs the time of the day What Neighbour Pierce quoth our Hoste welcome from Londō Sir quoth he to