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A14399	Concerning the excommunication of the Venetians a discourse against Cæsar Baronius Cardinall of the Church of Rome In which the true nature and vse of excommunication is briefly and cleerly demonstrated, both by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and from the old records of Christs Church. Written in Latine by Nicolas Vignier, and translated into English after the copie printed at Samur 1606. Whereunto is added the Bull of Pope Paulus the Fift, against the Duke, Senate and Commonwealth of Venice: with the protestation of the sayd Duke and Senate. As also an apologie of Frier Paul of the order of Serui in Venice.; De Venetorum excommunicatione, adversus Caesarem Baronium. English	Vignier, Nicolas.; Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623. Apologia per le oppositioni fatte dall'illustrissimo & reverendissimo signor cardinale Bellarminio alli trattati, et risolutioni di Gio. Gersone. English.; Baronio, Cesare, 1538-1607. Duo vota. English.; Catholic Church. Pope (1605-1621 : Paul V); Venice (Republic : to 1797). Doge (1606-1612 : Donato)	1607 (1607)	STC 24719; ESTC S120778	41,133	78

nations contained therein It was said vnto him Kill and Eat because it was necessary that euen they should come vnto the Church What is heere Baronius that concerneth that Office of killing By this voice and this vision Peter is commanded to go vnto the Gentiles and feed them with the holesome and liuely food of the Gospell This is with you to kill and slay And happily for this cause you take that good course not to preach the Gospell lest thereby you might become murtherers or rather indeed lest the people hating the poison of your traditions do hunger after the bread of life But this is your maner to interpret Scriptures vpon which you stand so much which you learned of the great professor of your schoole and Doctor of the chaire he I meane who in the desert detorted and wrested as you are wont to do the Scriptures Matth. 4. in his disputation with our Sauiour Such one was Boniface the 8. of whom the saying goeth He entred as a fox De Maior obedien Vnam sanctam raigned as a lion and died as a dog who would proue that the Pope had right to both the swords Spirituall and Temporal out of the Euangelicall writings forsooth Because when the Apostles said Here are two swords the Lord did not answer his Apostles speaking in the Church Heere it is too much but it is inough Certainly whosoeuer shall denie that the temporall sword is in the power of Peter he regardeth but little Gods word which saith Put vp thy sword into thy sheath Gen. 1.16 De Maiorit Obed. C. solitae And Innocent the 3. by a place of Genesis doth as soundly proue that the Imperiall maiestie is in subordination to the Pontificall You should saith hee haue considered that God made two great lights in the firmament of Heauen the greater light to rule the day the smaller light to gouern the night both great but one greater than the other In the firmament of heauen that is the vniuersal Church God made two great lights that is appointed two estates royall the Pontificall authoritie and Regall power but that is the greater of the twain which is appointed ouer the day that is ouer spiriall things that the lesse which hath iurisdiction in carnall that wee may know there is as great difference betweene Kings and Popes as there is betwixt the Sunne and Moone Distinct 22. sacrosancta In like sort Anacletus if * Gratian say true proued the Primacie of Saint Peter out of that place where hee is called Cephas that is an Head and Beginning which Etymologie euen * Bellarmine applaudeth Lib. 1. de Roma Pontif. c. 17. who affirmeth that Cephas is an head in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whereas Cephas is not a Greeke but a Syriak word which as himselfe auerreth signifies a Rocke And the same Bellarmine that Captain Iesuite out of the selfe same place which you produce Kill and Eat concludeth that Peter is Head of the Church drawing his argument not as you do from the word Kill but from the Commandement Eat For saith he It is the heads duty to eate Bella. lib. 1. de Rom. Pontific c. 22. Barom Tom. 1. Annal. Eccles and so by eating to transmit the meat into the stomack and so to incorporate it to it selfe And your * selfe elsewhere do bring this proofe to make the vse of shrining the reliques of Saints within the Altars Apostolicall because in the sixt chapter of the Reuelation the soules of such as were slaine for the Gospell are said to cry from vnder the Altar But who is not acquainted with such Iuglers trickes what man will take their counterfeit glasse for true pearle Remember Baronius that I may returne vpon your self an allegory that the Chamelion a beast which as they say liueth by the aire is numbred with such * as be vncleane Leuit. 11. Allusion to the speech that Emperor Fumum habet qui fumum vendidit B and that vaine man blowen vp with wind who selleth nothing but smoke is semblably vncleane in the eyes of God But to proceed To feede the sheepe is with care to watch ouer the faithfull c. And is it true indeed Baronius is the office of feeding to be confined only to the faithfull and obedient Christians and is this your will to haue all refractarie and stubborn ones led into the slaughter whom happily you instile Lions for that you feare the Lion the armes of Venice Esay 11.6 But Esay prophecied otherwise of Christs Kingdome The Wolfe shall dwell with the Lambe and the Leopard shall lie with the Kid and the Calfe and the Lion and the fat beast together and a little child shall lead them The Cow and the Beare shall feed their yoong ones shall lie together and the Lion shall eat straw like the Bullocke the sucking child shall play vpon the hole of the Aspe and the weined child shall thrust his hand into the Cockatrice hole Then none shall hurt nor destroy in all the mountaine of mine holinesse Wee deny not but Pastors are to stand against the refractarie and the disobedient but with what armes Spirituall not Carnall For as Hierome once sayd of heresie Ieron in prooe● lib. 4. in Ieremiam Heresie is to be cut off with the sword of the Spirit let vs strike thorow with the arrowes of the Spirit all sons and disciples of misled Heretiques that is with Testimonies of holy Scripture The slaughter of Heretiks is by the word of God So wee say and iudge of all other vices For the Church hath no such warrant as to vse the sword of the Ciuill Magistrate or bring in within her liberties politicke punishments the offices of the Ciuill and Ecclesiastical Magistrate being as Christ teacheth Matt. 20. things of diuers natures You know That kings of Nations rule ouer them but with you it shall not be so And the reason is for that the Church is the seruant of Christ no otherwise then as Christ is the Sauiour of the faithfull But Christ to procure the saluation of them neuer vsed himselfe nor permitted his Church to vse the sword of the ciuill Magistrate And this is that if I mistake not which your selfe in prosecution of your allegories adde That such killing must not be but with great charitie c. For all that we do or can conclude from hence is this and no more that this killing of the stubborn and disobedient is done by Excommunication which is a spirituall and wholesome remedie Which to grant wee must first consider lest we erre in ambiguitie of wordes What excommunication is 2. By whom it may be executed 3. Vpon whom to be inflicted 4. For what causes it is iust 5. From what communion they bee barred 6. Which bee the ends of Excommunication that any man by these grounds may determine what is to be iudged of the Excommunication of the State of Venice of which you intreat

it is a question meerely politicall with which the Popes should not intermeddle if they do lust to giue eare vnto Christ his Commandement Math. 20.26 or were disposed to follow his example who though inuited would not haue any thing to do with ciuill cases and legall controuersies Luc. 12. A fourth Nullitie is in that Papall Excommunication doth not only forbid the parties censured all Ecclesiasticall Communion but ouer and aboue all Politicke and Ciuill See the Bulls of Paul the iii ag Henry the viii of England of Sixtus 5. against King of Nauar and Prince of Conde and of Pius 5. against Queene Elizabeth as namely that in Mariage expresly against the Apostles decrees 1. Cor. 7.8 and lawfull subiection vnto Magistrates For it is their manner in their Bulls Excommunicatorie to absolue the subiects from their Othe of Obedience and any other bond or dutie in which they bee tied to expose the possessions and goods of Princes as a pray and a spoile to any that will seeke them so as it shall be lawfull without denouncing warre proclaiming hostilitie by secret practises or open force for any man to pursue to apprehend or murther them to depriue their issue of al right to succeed and make them infamous and vncapable to Incite the Nobilitie and Comminaltie to armes Interdict the suspended from any commerce or negotiation with other nations to determine the leagues and articulations of Princes and States made with them to be void and of no validitie and lastly to forbid them Christian buriall Which what is it else but in detestable sort to violate the law of Nature and Nations to set vp iniustice euerie where to teach children to hate their parents subiects to be periured perfidious rebellious disoobedient and practise such Papall virtues as these And therefore it was not without cause that Laurentius Valla a Putritian of Rome said That Rome was a schoole wherein men learned to lie to deceiue sweare forsweare Christ taught no such lesson Matth. 22.21 when hee bad Giue vnto Caesar the things that bee Caesars and vnto God that which belongs vnto him It is not the doctrine of Saint Paul Rom. 13.1 who willeth euerie soule to be subiect vnto higher Powers Whether Apostle or Euangelist or Prophet or whosoeuer hee bee saith Chrysostome for this subiection doth not in any case crosse our pietie Peter gaue no such command when hee willeth seruants to bee subiect in all feare vnto their Lords not vnto the good and gentle alone 1. Pet. 2 but euen the froward and peruerse Happily it will be said but not Excommunicated Surely yes if the person which stands Excommunicate be not any otherwise to bee accounted of then as an Ethnicke and a Publicane with whom in ciuill negotiations the Iewes did not refraine to communicate For liuing in and vnder an * Ethnicke state The Romans by deputies they yeelded obedience vnto thei positiue lawes and to the Publicans Farmers of the common reuenues they paied Customes and tribute mony trading also with them in other things Which right whensoeuer the Popes of Rome went about to infringe by thundring curses and Excommunications God from Heauen hath disclosed the fearfulnesse of his vengeance against the forsworne Traitors as is plaine in that miserable end of Ralfe Duke of Sweland Antoninus vita Henr. 4. Abbas V●sperg Hen. 4. alij whom Gregorie the Seauenth did set vp in place of the Emperour Henrie the Fourth Which Ralph being at the will of the Pope crowned by the Arch-Bishop of Mentz wretched man that he was for in lieu of a vaine crowne which stood not long vpon his head hee vnderwent an infortunate crosse beeing vanquished in fight by his Prince who when hee yeelded vp the ghost shewed his right hand cut off in fight as a memoriall of his treachery vnto the Bishops his Instigators vsing withall these wordes See you heere that hand with which I bound my selfe by solemne oth neuer to iniurie neuer to contriue against my Lord Henrie which oth to breake your perswasion and the Apostolicall commandement hath induced mee Behold and consider in how right a course yee haue led him that was content to be ruled by you The fift Nullitie of papall Excommunication remaineth behind to bee drawen from the end of that Censure which is the sauing of his Soule in setting foorth the glorie of God procuring the good of the Church These ends how little root they haue euer taken time out of minde in the Popes of Rome all good men haue well noted and many not the worst haue deplored Roderico bishop of Zamora Roder. Zamor lib. 2 spei vitae hum ca 3. Castellane that is keeper of the Castle Saint Angelo * Castellane Referendary to Pope Paul the 2. in his booke intituled The glasse of mans life where he speaketh of the anxieties cares which do accompany al Popes hath these words Their first let and hinderance are domesticall cares then their vniust desire or to speak plaine greedie greedinesse to aduance their kindred and which flesh and blood doth reueale vnto them to perpetuate their linage kindred and name The house of Parma at this day from Paul the third a Farnescan For so haue some Popes been resolued to make themselues the rootes and raisers not of one but many noble and famous houses the first progenitors of mightie Princes Such aspiring desires want not the Presidents of ancient Popes much lesse shall they want fautors and furtherers Learned and vnlearned will perswade them to it some will cite fables some alleadge Scriptures and detorted authorities to tickle the Popes itching eares Heare him what he saith good Baronius and learne of him what counsell to giue your Pope Paul Loe will they say What man euer hated his owne flesh For Christ himself whose actions euery Pope his Vicar should follow when he loued his owne loued them vnto the end He exalted those that were allied vnto him But whether did he exalt them vnto the crosse Caesar Borgia Guicciard lib. 4. Hist Ital. And this mind doubt had Pope Alexander the sixt when he raised his sonne Caesar from a Cardinals hat to the royall dignity of Duke of Valentia by prophane chaffare of holy things For saith Nicolaus de Clamengijs speaking of Popes when exceeding great abundance of worldly plenty and insatiable auarice associated with ambition had seated themselues in Clergymen treading downe the vertuous branches of ancient better daies as it could not but fall out so it came to passe Pride made themswel desire of great place puffed them vp they wasted their daies and bodies in wantonnesse Three Lords they had cruell exactors to content Luxury first which exacted vpon them the pleasures of wine of sleepe of feastings of musicke of Iugles of pandars of whores Secondly Pride which would haue the pompous pageantly shewes of high storied houses Castels Towers Pallaces royall and gorgeous furniture gay apparrell horses retinue Thirdly