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A20714 Duplyes of the ministers & professors of Aberdene to second answeres of some reverend brethren, concerning the late covenant. Forbes, John, 1593-1648. 1638 (1638) STC 71; ESTC S100398 79,306 136

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DUPLYES Of the MINISTERS PROFESSORS of ABERDENE TO The second ANSWERES of some REVEREND BRETHREN Concerning The LATE COVENANT If thou take foorth the precious from the vyle thou shalt be as my mouth Let them returne vnto thee but returne not thou vnto them IEREM 15.19 Honour all men Loue the Brotherhood Feare GOD Honour the King 1. PET. 2.17 Printed in Aberdene by Edw. Raban 1638. TO THE UNPARTIALL READER IT may bee you haue not as yet heard the true relation of our proceedinges and carriage towards those two Reverend Brethren who came latelie hither to recommend to vs and our People the LATE COVENANT Wee declare therefore to you That we hearing of their comming and intention and beeing of a contrarie mynde resolved that before wee should giue consent that they should preach to our People wee would propone to them by way of certaine DEMANDS the chiefe reasons which made vs to bee averse from their proceedings promising to admit them to our Pulpits if they should giue vs satisfaction concerning the LATE COVENANT Wee intended not to Print these DEMANDES at the first but afterwards considering howe much our People might bee confirmed by them in that pious resolution which they haue to continue in the obedience of the Lawes of this Church and Kingdome concerning EPISCOPACIE and those thinges which were concluded in PEARTH ASSEMBLIE wee thought good to put them to the Presse but determined not to make vse of them by divulgating them except we saw that our people stood in present neede of them which indeede came to passe for vpon Fryday the twentie of Julie last these Reverende Brethren came to this Towne and having that same night receaved our DEMANDES in writ they returned their Answeres vnto them on Saturday following late in the evening but they came not to our handes who replyed vnto them vntill Sunday in the morning Neyther had we leasure to reade or consider vntill both the Sermons were ended in our Churches Wherefore wee did meete together that day at foure houres afternoone that wee might peruse them And at that same tyme hearing that these Reverend Brethren had preached in audience of dyverse of our people conveaned in the court of a noble man his lodging not having obtayned our consent thereto and in their Sermons had vsed a forme of Answering to our DEMANDES which they did publicklie reade affirming that they had given full satisfaction to vs in a written coppie of their Answeres which they had sent to vs and by that meanes had laboured to disswade and draw our People from their obedience vnto the Articles of PEARTH the Lawes of this Kingdome ratifying them wee knowing how insufficient their Answeres were to giue satisfaction to anie who would duelie ponder our DEMANDES gaue licence to the Printer to divulgate them and the next day did wryte our REPLYES to their Answeres intending to put them to the Presse on Tuesday But wee were earnestlie entreated by a noble Man to send backe to them the copie of their Answeres that they might revise and perfect them also to delay the printing of our REPLYES vntill Fryday following Which wee willinglie granted But wherefore this was desired of vs you may conjecture seeing they neyther added nor diminished nor altered anie thing in their Answeres Vpon the next Fryday at night wee gaue our REPLYES to the Printer and to these Reverende Brethren who returned not to this Citie vntill Saturday following wee sent a copie of our Replyes in writ on the Lords Day vnto which we receaved not their Answeres vntill they came from the Presse to wit on Tuesday the fourteenth of August that is eyghteene dayes after they had receaved our REPLYES What successe these Brethren had in their Sermons which they preached here vpō two severall Lords Dayes it is sufficientlie knowne neyther haue they reason to talke so much of it as they doe in their Preface to the Reader The first of these Dayes some few who were thought to bee that way inclined before subscryved their COVENANT But the next Lords Day they scarce prevailed with anie at all And a great many who heard them both these Dayes professed that they returned from their Sermons more averse from the COVENANT than they were before Now good Reader wee present to thee our REPLYES to their second Answeres which for shortnesse cause wee haue called DVPLYES wee pray you consider them vnpartiallie And if you reape anie benefite by perusing them let it not be ascrybed vnto vs but to the invincible force of divyne Trueth Wee conclude with Zorobabell saying Blessed bee the GOD of Trueth And let all the People shout and saye Great is Trueth and mightie aboue all thinges TO OUR REVEREND BRETHREN M r ALEXANDER HENDERSON And M r DAVID DICKSON THat your Answeres Reverende and Deare Brethren haue not in anie degree satisfied vs wee impute it not to your weaknesse whom wee know to bee able Men and much exercysed in the matters debated betwixt vs but wee impute it to the weaknesse of your cause and to that inabilitie which is in all men as well as in you to beare out agaynst the Trueth Wee are sorie that yee are not so respectiue and favourable in your judgement of vs for yee playnlie declare in your Preface that yee suspect vs of prejudice and that for two reasons The first is that our Demandes which yee conceaved had beene meerelie intended for you were published before your comming in Print as also that our REPLYES were Printed before we receaved your last Answeres to them Whence yee conclude that wee were rather ayming at victorie moved thereto by prejudice than at satisfaction by searching of the Trueth This reason is grounded vpon a mistaking for altho our Demandes at the first were intended for you onlie yet afterwardes we resolved to Print them as also our REPLYES the Printing whereof did nowayes depend vpon your second Answeres not for loue of contention nor desire of victorie GOD knoweth but for such reasons as wee haue expressed in our Preface to the vnpartiall Reader whom wee hope wee haue satisfied in this poynt Your other reason is that the groundes of your Answeres to vs haue proven satisfactorie to others who for Age and Learning are pryme men of this Kingdome and to whom our modestie will not suffer vs to preferre our selues Farre be it frō vs to be so presumptuous as to preferre our selues to so manie Learned and worthie Divynes and as farre bee it from vs to measure the soliditie and sufficiencie of your Answeres by the Habilities or Induments of these who haue acquiesced in them If this your reason were good the Papists might more probablie accuse vs of prejudice as indeede they vnjustlie doe because your Answeres to our Argumentes haue proven satisfactorie to manie thousands of those who for profunditie and subtilitie of wit are inferiour to none of the World but wee regarde not this slender motiue remembring these wordes of our Saviour I