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A05456 Cyuile and vncyuile life a discourse very profitable, pleasant, and fit to bee read of all nobilitie and gentlemen : where, in forme of a dialoge is disputed, what order of lyfe best beseemeth a gentleman in all ages and times ... 1579 (1579) STC 15589.5; ESTC S106722 50,662 109

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be heard with more respecte and dispatched with more speede then if any other vnknowen or vnskilfull person had beene presented vnto them Vincent No doubt of that but would you haue all Gentlemen thus finely brought vp and that there should no Iustices of Peace remayne in the Countrey mee thinkes that were exceeding strange Vallentine I did wish indeed that all Gentlemen were wel brought vp and resorters to Court or Cittie yet I saide not that they should euer abandon the countrey cheefely those that are imploied there Vincent Then it seemeth that you would haue all the rest to bee Courtiers and Townes men how should any of them then aspire to the offices of the Countrey when there they are not abidinge Vallentine My meaning is not to entice them all to Court or to Cittie from their naturall shier But that such as would not doo them selues that great good that at the least they would some times cheefely in their youth abide in their cheefe towne or cittie of their countrey where they may conuerse with a people more ciuill then the poore villaines and bee notwithstanding at hand to take office if it be layed on them Also if they bee in office already they dwell there fitly enough to exercise the same But by this you haue saide it seemeth you are or faine would bee an Officer in your countrey Vincent Nay not so syr but yet if it bee layed vpon mee I must not refuse to serue my Prince Vallentine I warrant you syr if you bee no better acquainted in Court then you seeme nor no better learned then I you shall neuer bee troubled with office vnlesse some freend of yours doo recommend you for so obscure education as you speake will slowly prefer you Vincent I confesse our preferment is slow and yours bee it spoken with patience is not ouer swift For if you marke well it is much better to smell of the law then of the Launce Vallentine By my fay syr you haue hit mee home for truely I wish that those sauours did yeeld thrift alike But how happy are you for whom fortune hath so well prouided as you neede neither to taste the paines of the one nor the perrill of the other But Basta Let vs returne to the matter tell mee how ye are perswaded of my spech touching your quiet Vincent Exceedingly well And must acknowledge that in manuringe our owne groundes wee offer our selues much disquiet and care not becomminge a Gentleman Also in consideration of our strangnes to the Court wee are made the lesse meete for gouernment not to know the person of our Prince is a thinge that amazeth a Gentleman much I yeelde therfore vnto your reasons and the rather because you will neither binde vs continually to Court nor London But that wee may both visit our owne countrey houses and yee make cheefe abode in our shier townes as places to keepe vs in that ciuilitie is behoouefull Vallentine You vnderstande mee right and you shall by your dwellinge in those Townes much enritche the people that they thereby enhabled maye make their buyldinges the more beautifull and commodious so that in one acte you woorke two good effectes which are to make your selues ciuill and enritch the townes Vincent But how say you to our pleasures and pleasant exercises of the countrey for that was the next I promised to praise I trust you will allow of them and commend your owne coldly for I thinke they be colde enough in deede Vallentine Well syr I perceaue you haue a colde conceit of of our Courtly pleasures but what of that tel vs yours I pray you Vincent Wee haue in troth so great store of them as there is no time of the yeare no houre of the day nor no weather but wee haue a pastime to entertaine vs with Vallentine As how for Gods sake say on Vincent In the spring time and cheefely in Lent wee fish the Carpe the Pike the Breame the Roche and the Yee le as good meates in the eatinge as good sportes in the ketching In sommer we dare the Larke with Hobbies and ketch them with day Nettes In haruest when corne is downe our Sparkaukes bee ready to kill the Partridge the Quayle and Rayle In winter wee hauke the Heron the Feasant the Ducke the Teale And in breefe all sortes of volary The like pleasures wee can shew you vpon the ground for you must conceaue that all these fowles doo fly and bee it your will to hunt with your eye or eare wee are ready for you as if you please to see with the eye wee course the Stagge the Bucke the ●oa the Doa the Hare the Foxe and the Badger Or if you had rather haue some Musicke to content your care out goes our dogges our houndes I should haue saide with them wee make a heauenly noise or cry that would make a dead man reuiue and run on foote to heare it Vallentine But by your leaue if you wisht your owne good father whose Heire you are would rise from death to life you had rather neuer heare hound then trouble his rest Vincent Very well syr you thinke I would bee lothe to trace my Fathers new steppes vpon his olde land I speake like a hunter and to tell you plainely as I neuer desired his death So were it no reason I should put him to paines of receauing his arrerage of rents which I haue spent these half dozen yeares past Vallentine Much good may it doo you and let him rest God giue him rest But tell mee if all these pleasures wherof you tolde bee they vsed by day or night in faire weather or fowle Vincent In good sooth Maister Vallentine either you are wonderously pleasaunt and disposed or els very ignorant in Gentlemens quallities that will aske me these vain questions For euery man knoweth that the day time is fittest for all sportes and likewise the faire weather Vallentine Ah syr I pray you pardon mee for I confesse I am vnskilfull yet vnlesse I bee much deceaued I haue hard hounds barke by night haue seene foulers ketch Woodcockes in colde weather Vincent In deede it may bee you haue hard sumtimes hounds yorne for so you ought to terme it by night and I suppose the winter weather and hard is fittest for ketching of Woodcockes in deede Vallentine Well I am glad you know therby I haue hard and seene sumwhat worthy a Gentleman I pray you now tell vs your pastimes destined for fowle weather how many be of them besides ketching of Woodcockes Vincent I assure you many and those diuerse in which I will include our exercises also but because you demaund of our fowle wether pastimes I wil speake of them first Vallentine You are full of memory order I pray you say on Vincent In fowle weather we send for some honest neighbours if happely wee bee with our wiues alone at home as seldome we are and with them we play at Dice and Cardes sorting
our selues accordinge to the number of Players and their skill some to Ticktacke some Lurche some to Irish game or Dublets Other sit close to the Cardes at Post Paire at Ruffe or Colchester Trumpe at Mack or Maw yea there are some euer so fresh gamesters as wil bare you cōpany at Nouem Quinque at Faring Trey trip or one thirty for I warrant you we haue right good fellowes in the countrey sumtimes also for shift of sports you know is delectable we fall to slide thrifte to Penny prick in winter nights we vse certaine Christmas games very propper of much agilitie wee want not also pleasant mad headed knaues that bee properly learned and will reade in diuerse pleasant bookes and good Authors As Sir Guy of VVarwicke the foure Sonnes of Amon the Ship of Fooles the Budget of Demaundes the Hundreth merry Tales the Booke of Ryddles and many other excellent writers both witty and pleasaunt These pretty and pithy matters do some times recreate our mindes cheefely after longe sittinge and losse of money In faire weather when we haue straungers or holly daies for els in the day time wee attend our thrift wee exercise our selues in shooting at Buttes Prickes Roauers and Rownes We cast the Bar or sledge Leape or Run if our ages and condicion bee fit for such exercise els beeing aged wee chat at home and talke of Turryn and Torny or some other notable war wherin wee serued our Prince Or if wee haue cōtinually dwelt at home bin Iustices of Peace we accōpt what graue Iudges gentlemen we haue seene sit on our Bench with what eloquence we haue when it was our turne geuen the charge Vallentine Certainly syr you haue told mee of many proper pleasures and honest exercises But with all let mee aske you what Neighboures these companions bee of whom you haue tolde mee Vincent They are our honest neighbours Yeomen of the Countrey and good honest fellowes dwellers there about as Grasiers Butchers Farmers Drouers Carpenters Carriers Taylors such like men very honest and good companions Vallentine And so I thinke but not for you beeing a Gentleman For as their resort vnto your house shal giue them occasion to learne some point of ciuillity and curtesie so your conuersinge with them will make you taste of their bluntnes and rusticitie which wil very euill become a man of your calling Vincent What would you then haue mee liue alone and sollitary That were worse then to bee dead Vallentine Nay neither for if you did for the most liue in Court or Cittie among the better sorte you should euer finde company there fit for your estate and condicion I meane Noble and Gentlemen with whom if you had acquintance you would litle delight in this rustical conuersation and lesse reioyce at that mixth which now not knowinge better doth as it seemeth please you much Vincent If these pastimes bee not fit for a Gentleman what would you haue vs to make our selues mery with Vallentine That wil I tel you hereafter when you demaund to know the pastimes and exercises of court In the meane time tell on your owne tale being now come to the last commodity of the Countrey which is profit Vincent I thought it had beene needles for mee to haue saide any thinge therof because I thinke you see the matter in such experiēce as it nedeth no dispute Vallentine What meane you by that when there is nothing as I tolde you long since perfitly good nor perfitly euill onely vertue and vice except Vincent All this while you flye aboue my pitch I praye you speake plainely doo you thinke the thrifte of Noble men and Gentlemen haunting the Court or inhabitinge the Citties is comparable to the good husbandry and profit of the Country Vallentine Yea surely do I and therfore conclude not in hast Vincent How can it so bee when the most part yea in effect all Courtiers and towne dwelling Gentlemen bee beggers or at the least poore in purse and wee of the Countrey bee either all or the greater number very wealthy or ritche enough Vallentine All this may bee true and yet neither the Court or Towne is cause of their pouerty nor the Countrey dwelling the occasion of your ritches Vincent Well syr sith experience will not perswade you I will set downe some reasons to drawe you to mine opinion And first call you to memory the continuall excessiue charge which the Courtier or Cittie dweller is at I mean in feeding him self seruauntes and famely likewise how costly and almost princely hee apparrelleth him selfe his wife his children and seruauntes and all this charge goeth from the purse for prouision hath hee none neither doth hee sow any graine reare any cattel nor his wife and women seruaunts spin any cloth though they so did none I suppose of you would weare it such is your pride On the other side all the corne wee make our bread of groweth on our demeane ground the flesh wee eate is all or the most parte of our owne breeding our garmentes also or much therof made within our house Our owne Mault and water maketh our drinke So as in conclusion I say that sith the necessities of mans life consisteth vpon these I meane meate drinke and cloth All which cost vs nothinge or very litle and you very much how can you in reason conceaue that wee should bee no ritcher then you that haunt Courts and inhabit Citties Vallentine What you alleage or the most therof I thinke is true but your conclusion false For albeit your prouisions be great yet your expences beeing greater your thrifte is like to ours who haue small prouision and like charge Vincent How can your charge bee litle when the cost of keepinge one man in Court or Towne wil be as much as to keepe three in the Countrey Vallentine And that I iudge is also true but if my one man in the towne will serue mee as well as your three men in the Countrey serue you though that one spendeth mee as much as your three I care not for my thrift is no whit the lesse nor yours the more if of force as in deede you must keepe so many For where there is as you alleage great Tillage rearinge vp of Cattell Spinninge and Cardinge with daily resorte besides of straungers as is commonly to Gentlemen in the Countrey there must needes bee also many seruauntes which concourse of people and busines breedeth occasion of continuall expence of victuall So as in effect you keepe many that doo bring you home profite and they with others doo straight waies eate it vp what are you then the better but by thus much the worse then we that you are combred with the vnlooked for resorte of freends and foes and the daily feeding of many seruauntes Vincent Mee thinkes your speech hath good sence yet because it is long I do not perfitly conceaue it as I desire I pray you tell mee your reason breefely