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A33735 The perfect pharisee under monkish holinesse opposing the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the gospel, and scripture-practices of gospel-worship manifesting himselfe in the generation of men called Quakers, or, A preservative against the grosse blasphemies and horrid delusions of those, who under pretence of perfection and an immediate call from God, make it their business to revile and disturb the ministers of the gospel published for the establishing of the people of God in the faith once delivered to the saints, and in a speciall manner directed to beleevers, in Newcastle and Gateside. Weld, Thomas, 1590?-1662.; Cole, William. 1653 (1653) Wing C5045; ESTC R37653 40,293 52

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We shall but briefly therefore propose 1. That our Lord Iesus appointed his Dsciples to Baptize with Water Iohn 4 2. Mat. 28. last 2. The Apostles practised it quite through the Acts Acts 2. 41. Acts 18. 12. 13. 16. 36. Here is Water what hinde●s but I may be Baptized reade ver. 38. Acts 9. 18. Acts 18. 8. 1 Cor. 1. 14 15. 16. And for the Supper of the Lord see the Institution Mat. 26. 26. 1 Cor. 11. 23. where it is an Ordinance established to continue in practice till our Lord Iesus come againe ver. 26. which comming cannot be meant of that comming in the spirit which these men speak of for so he was come already to them being already saints And as this Text doth fully cleare their continuance in the Churches till the last day so where Baptisme and the Supper of the Lord are called types in Scripture to cease upon the comming of Christ in spirit we demand a Text What a plaine addition is this to the W●rd of God by those who so frequently curse the Ministry in their explications and applyings of texts as if they added to the sayings of the Prophecies of that Booke And how apparantly doth this Principle speake their teaching in stead of Gospel-Doctrines and the commands of Iesus the fond imaginations of their owne braine and divinings of their owne heart But we t●ust we shall need to adde no more to the satisfying of those who have eaten of the Flesh and drunke of the Blood of the Lord Iesus and been Baptized into his Death and found the power and vertue of these blessed Ordinances What soule that is not under the strong delusions of Satan dare cast off as so sleight things or blaspheme with so vile reproaches as these men doe those sacred Institutions which the Lord Iesus left to his Churches as such eminent memorialls of his blessed love Position 17 That there is ●●●ediat● C●ll Call to the Ministry Proofe This was asserted by Thomas Willan of Kendale in the Publique Congregation there on a Lecture day in the hearing of one of us W. C. the said T. W. according to the custome of that Generation to Prophesie lyes in the name of the Lord pretending to the man that Preached he was sent of God to speak to him then the said Minister demanded Whether he was sent by a mediate or immediate Call upon which proposall being bassled in the proofe of his owne immediate Call which he pretended to with a lowde voyce cryed downe all mediate cals to the Ministry as not of God and t is one of their common exceptions against the Ministers of the Gospel as being sent forth by the Ordination of men not considering the Institution of Christ for such proceedings Confut. That a mediate call since the time of those Apostles who being to be witnesses to the world of all that Iesus said and did were to be such as had accompanied the Lord Iesus in the dayes of his Flesh Acts 1. 21. and received their Call from Christ immediately being inspired by the holy Ghost 1 Pet. 1. 21. and able to evidence their Call and confirme the Gospel they committed to posterity by infallible testimonies of mighty signes and reall miracles 2 Cor. 12. 12. is the way of the Gospel for sending forth its Ministers is apparent to whomsoever shall reade those texts Acts 14. 23. When they had Ordained them Elders in every Church c. 1 Tim. 4 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee that was given thee by Prophesie and the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery Titus 1. 5. For this cause I left thee in Creet that thou shouldest Ordaine Elders in every City 2 Tim. ● 2. The things thou hast heard of me that commit thou to faithfull men able to teach others In Titus 1. and 1 Tim. 3. chapters the Apostle at large leaves direction for the qualification of such as should from time to time be Ordained to the Office of Elders in the Churches in a mediate way for to prescribe Rules to an immediate call is impossible But how confident soever these men are against this mediate call to Ministeriall worke yet as we dare oppose the above-written word of the living God against all raylings and revilings as enough to crush in piece● all gaine-saying pl●as so there hath been so much and so convincingly on every hand written in defence thereof that we dare not question the establishment of all sober spirits in that truth and shall adde no more to overturne the gaine-sayings of this besotted people Having thus gone through the more grosse Positions which are the very foundations and principles that support this Antichristian Rabble we shall presume to stay the Reader with some of their principles of lesser value which though as the Reader may observe are of inferiour note yet this sort of people lay no lesse weight upon them then to place the greatest part of that great Diana of their imaginary perfection in the observance of them and even to damne all that oppose them therein and cry downe the Ministry of the Gospel because of their non complyance with them in these so rotten principles We could have given proofe sufficient that these principles that follow are clearely and fully owned by them but they are so evidently the very markes and distinguishing badges of their Irreligion so constantly practised by them and so plainly known to all that know this sort of men that we shall once for all satisfie the Reader We shall not need to produce any evidence but onely stand upon the Confutation Principle 1. Not co-salute any Confut. THe commands of our Lord Iesus and his Apostles may be a sufficient answer to shew the folly of this Principle which they stand so much upon and for which they so often call the Ministery Priests and Anti-Christian c. Let the Reader seriously consider that full Scripture Mat. 5. 47. If you salute your brethren onely what doe you more then doe others doe not even the Publicans so In the verse before our Lord Christ commands the duty of love to all men and in the same way of commanding doth also impo●e the duty of salutation not onely of some but all of Friends but Enemies If yee salute your brethren onely what doe you more then doe the Publicans which how fully it speaks to the snarpe reproofe of Quakers that salute none but one another we beleive their consciences will as c●earely tell them if they be not seared as any observing eye may presently see Mat. 10. 12. When yee come into an house salute it The Apostle Paul almost in every Epistle especially Rom 16 is full of such commands And for the practise of the Saints see 1 Sam. 25 14. David sent messengers to salute Abigails Husband 1 Sam. 17. 22. David came and saluted his brethren Acts 21. 18. when Paul had saluted them he declared c. where you fully see the practi●e of Paul ●e first saluted
of the great businesse of justification of sinners by Faith of Iesus Christ that dare trust to so filthy raggs in the presence of so just and so holy a God Position 10 No reall Saint but he that is perfect and perfectly holy in this life and doth not sinne Proofe It is the designe of Nayler in his Booke in severall Paegs to prove this see his Book pag. 21. 22. Nayler hath oft spoken it of himselfe and said he witnessed it So G. Fox hath done others some of us doe know have said they witnesse perfection in Nayler Nay so farre doth Farnesworths ignorance of the Gospel proceed that in his Booke pag. 20. he thus writes They say they can never overcome the body of sinne or be made perfect here and they say no un ●l●ane thing shall ever enter into the Kingdome of God How doth this agree It s one of their ordinary out-●ryes against the Ministers because they oppose this Doctrine And t is the most generall Doctrine of all their Books and Papers Confut. 1. Let the Reader consider there must be of necessity a distinction of the word perfect and perfection in Scripture though we know this Generation of men will cry downe distinctions and pronounce that cur●e against us Rev. 22. as if we added to the word Yet the following cases will evidence the absolute necessity of distinctions if the unity of truth and the faithfulnesse of the word be owned at all Reade 1 Iohn 1. 8. 10. If we s●y that we have no sinne the truth is not in us compared with 1 Iohn 3. 8 9. Whosoever is borne of God doth not commit sinne Reade 1 Iohn 5. 16 There is a sinne to death and there is a sinne not to death So Isay 9 7. Of his Gouernment there shall be no end compared with 1 Cor. 15 24 Then commeth the end when he shall deliver ●p the Kingdome c 2. Now as to a necessity of it in the case in hand consider the various use of the word in Seripture Phil. 3. is very full ver. 12. Not as though I had already attained either were already perfect compared with ver. 15. where t is a word of the same root the Apostle speaking of the Saints and taking in himselfe in that expression adds Let us therefore as many as are perfect be th●● minded In which is plainely evident that Paul shall grossely contradict himselfe unlesse there be a distinguishing betwixt the variety of the sense of the word perfect 3. That perfection therefore ver. 12. is perfection in Glory as the verses both before and presently following it doe fully cleare it s that for which Paul was apprehended of Christ as is evident 1 Cor. 13. 10. where t is opposed to Pauls present state When that which is perfect i● come then that which is in part shall be done away clearely meaning his injoyment of God in glory as is plaine ver. 12. Now we see through a glasse darkely ●●en face to face Now the same word perfect in ver. 15. that it cannot possibly be meant of the same sort of perfection is evident For as the Apostle tells you that he enjoying the perfection v. 15. is yet short of is pressing forward towards the perfection in ver. 12. as to a thing that 's yet before so taking the word in both places in the same sense it were a contradiction for him to say he is perfect and is not perfect For the true meaning thereof we give you three Scriptures 1 Cor. 2. 6. Howbeit we speake wisedome amongst those that are perfect 1 Cor. 14. 20. In malice be yee children but in understanding be yee men or be ye perfect for the word is the same with the former Text Heb 5 last Stong meat belongs to those that are of full age or that are perfect In all which places it is evident in it selfe that the word imports Christians growne up to more knowledge in the Gospel then others had who are in these quotations called Babes From the consideration of this Text it may be fully seen that perfection of Saints here is not that absolute perfection in glory which Paul professed he had not attained to but that comparative perfection of being growne up to more then ordinary measures of Grace and understanding much beyond the attainement of Babes in Christ 2. As for our perfection by justification the Scriptures fully hold it out upon the account of the imputed righteousnesse of Christ whereby the spouse appeares altogether lovely not upon the account of her own holinesse for so she is blacke and an infant in her blood but we know that t is not this perfection they speake of as he that hath but looked into their Books may presently discover 3. There is a perfection which the Scriptures expresseth integrity by as that word speaks the truth of grace in opposition to hypocrisie Thus Iob is called perfect Iob 1. 1. but that this perfection doth not imply a totall absence of sinne is plaine witnesse his sinfull passionate cursing the day of his birth Iob 3. 3. Let the day perish wherein I was borne Job 6. 8. 9. Oh that is would please God to destroy me that he would let goe his hand and cut me off See his owne confession Job 9. 20 2● If I say I am perfect my owne mouth shall prove ●●● perverse Thus Asa is called perfect 1 Kings 1● 14 The high places were not removed neverthelesse Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes Here is the perfection of Asa's heart with God and that all his dayes yet you shall ●nd● first He tooke 〈◊〉 away the high places which was a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Secondly He tooke the gold and silver ou● o 〈…〉 the ●●●se of the Lord and sent them to the 〈…〉 and 〈…〉 ue ●Chron 16. 7. 9 Thirdly 〈…〉 an● put him in the Pri 〈…〉 ppressed the People at 〈…〉 And ●● his D●●●as● sought not to the Lord 〈…〉 So that you may clearely see in wh 〈…〉 h● was s●●d to ●●perfect As for other examples in this kinde ●● this time it may be clearely understood in what sense the spirit c●l●● them perfect who otherwise had their personall grosse infirmitie● 4. You are to disting●●sh betwixt the perfection of God and the perfection of the creature in reference to that Text Mat 5. last In which place perfection cannot signifie that which brings up to an equality with God but a similitude unlesse you runne upon that blasphemous Principle of equallity with God of which we have said enough before 5 By our thus comparing Scripture with Scripture we expect from their former usage in this kinde they will charge us with pleading for sinne though we are but discovering the imperfections of the best Saints lest they shou'd live upon their owne righteousnesse which to set up and establish in opposition to that of Christs imputed is evidently the designe of Quakers And that so the strength of the Lord may
is profitable for Doctrine for reproffe for correcti●r for instruction in righteousnesse that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works Position 14. The Spirits are not to be tryed by Scripture Proofe Miles Hawd in the Congregation at Kendale asserted that he that referred to any light without was a deceiver In a Paper of theirs one of them reckons this up as one of the Errors of the Priests as he ●alls them they professe the Scripture to be the rule and the touchstone to try withall A Book called Severall Papers set forth by A. P. pag. 19. sayes the worlds touchstone is without them and they try the living by the dead the spirit by the letter the Saints touchstone is within whereby they try the spirits whether they be of God or no which evidently demonstrates they allow no tryall of the spirits by the written word Confut. ● Heare what the spirit saith Isay 8. 20. To the Law and to the Testimony if they speake not according to this it is because there is no light in them 2. This is to withdraw the soule from the judgement or determination of God whose revealed will the Scripture is as above is shown 3. This is to open a gap unavoydably to all Satans delusions as you may see by the short Relation of the Quakers Shaken in the case of Iohn Gilpin and we can no otherwise look upon this then the very Hold Satan hath to keep this people under his delusions by cousening them thus to stop their eyes against the light Iohn 3. 20. for what else shall be the Touchstone but the Word of God 4 And how strong are the perswasions of errour how fully doth Satan pretend in the soule to be an Angell of light and wherein shall man distinguish The Berean● searched the Scriptures whether these things were so Acts 17. 11. trying the Apostles themselves by the Written Word 6. And Christ himselfe leaves the very proofe of himselfe to be the Messias to the Scriptures Iohn 5 39. Search the Scriptures for in them ye thinke ye have ●●●●●all life and they are they which testifie of me Position 15. That there ought to be no sinse meaning or exposition given or studying of the Scriptures Proofe Their common expression is to him that opens or shews them the interpretation of any Scripture Cursed is he that addes or the plagues are upon thee for adding to the Scripture John Audland a few days since being for his Rayling and Publique disturbance called before the Magistrates and there pleading against the Ministry alledging that Text Ier. 5. 31. The Priests heare rule by their means One of us laboured to convince him of this ignorance in that grosse mis-interpretation for by means he understood by their maintenance shewing that that Text doth most evidently hold this sence That those Priests bare rule by the means of the false Prophets The said I. A. presently cryed out Thou addest thou addest The same man having called another of us Deceiver was asked Whether he heard him Preach any thing contrary to the truth the day before telling him withall he Preached that which he had Prayed and studied the Scripture for presently the said Audland as if studying the word were enough to convince a man to be a deceiver cryed out there thou shewest thy selfe One of their Papers in the hands of one of us wickedly rayles thus Away with all your conjuring studying away with all your stage play Preaching And t is their knowne and constant Princip●e Though their grand master Fox was not able enough in this point but discovered his Imposture by his Concordance to the Bible sent him from Yorke to Kendale Confut. As to this let the Reader consider Neh. 8. 8. Ezra Read in the Booke of the Law of God distinctly and gave the sence and caused them to understand the Reading Luke 24 27. Christ began at Moses and all the Prophets and expounded therein all things concerning himselfe Marke 4 34 He expounded all things to his Disciples Acts 28. 23. Paul expounded and testified the Kingdome of God out of the Prophets Act 8. 30. to ver. 35. Philip expounds the mende of the holy Gho●● in that Prophecy of Isaiah to the Eunuch who Read it and yet without Interpretation knew not the meaning of it Christ sends the Pharisees to study the meaning of Scripture in stead of cavelling Mat. 9 13. Goe learne what that meaneth And Peter tells you in the writings of Paul there are many things hard to be understood 2 Pet. 3. 16. which the unlearned and unstable wrest as they doe also other Scripture unto their owne destruction But to say there is no sense or meaning in the Scriptures shewes so grosse ignorance nay such senselesnesse in these people that this may suffice And for the studying of the Word reade the command of Christ for searching it Iohn 5. 39. of Paul 1 Tim. 4. 13. Give attendance to Reading Col. 3. 16. Let the Word of God dwell in you richly in all wisedome Ti●ethy must be nourished up in the Word of truth and of that good Doctrine to which he had attained 1 Tim. 4. 6. must give himselfe wholly 1 Tim 4 15. to Reading Exhortation Doctrine that his profiting might appeare to all 2 Tim. 2. 15. Study to shew thy selfe approved unto God a workeman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the Word of truth 2 Tim. 3. 15. From a childe thou hast learned the holy Scriptures c. out of which the man of God must labour to be throughly furnished unto all good works Position 16 They cry downe Baptisme with Water and the Lords Supper a● being but types and shadowes ceasing upon the appearance of Christ within them Proofe A Booke called Severall Papers set forth by A. P. pag. 19. thus The worlds Baptisme is without them the Saints Baptisme is within them the worlds Communion is without them taking a little Bread and Wine c. which is carnall the Saints Communion is within Compare this with George Batemans answer to Mr. Ledgard pag. 29. disputing with him about Baptisme c. sayes That Baptisme and the Lords Supper c. Christ when he was in the flesh left them as types of another nature and this pointed at Christs appearing in the spirit and as the types under the Law ended when Christ appeared in the Flesh so these types viz Baptisme and the Supper of the Lord for of them he speaks there end when Christ appeares in spirit To which adde that of Farnsworth in his Pamphlet entituled A Discovery of Faith pag. 11. All your Baptisme such as are invented from the Letter the carnall minde invents them these are for the Fire for they are the workes of the Flesh Reade him also pag. 13. Confut. What soule that lives under the Kingdome and Scepter of the Lord Iesus will not abhorre these opinion● that destroy and wholly take from the Saints these two grea● Mysteries