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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sometime_o gladius_n &_o sometime_o enâ—iâ—_n it_o be_v no_o fault_n no_o more_o than_o it_o be_v in_o we_o to_o use_v the_o word_n justice_n and_o righteousness_n work_v and_o deed_n faith_n and_o belief_n trust_n and_o confidence_n etc._n etc._n and_o you_o yourselves_o in_o such_o word_n do_v often_o use_v the_o same_o liberty_n mart._n 21._o but_o will_v you_o not_o yet_o see_v merit_n and_o meritorious_a work_n in_o the_o scripture_n i_o marvel_v your_o skill_n in_o the_o greek_a teach_v you_o nothing_o in_o this_o point_n s._n john_n say_v look_v 8._o to_o yourselves_o that_o you_o lose_v not_o the_o thing_n which_o you_o have_v wrought_v but_o that_o you_o may_v receive_v a_o full_a reward_n i_o think_v in_o these_o word_n the_o equivalent_a of_o merit_n be_v easy_o see_v of_o any_o man_n that_o be_v not_o wilful_o blind_a but_o you_o shall_v see_v 〈◊〉_d further_o than_o the_o common_a sort_n for_o you_o know_v that_o the_o greek_a here_o signify_v not_o 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part_n who_o be_v the_o rewarder_n and_o recompenser_n and_o on_o our_o part_n we_o have_v as_o the_o apostle_n 〈◊〉_d say_v hebr._n 10._o and_o 4._o great_a confidence_n confidence_n say_v photius_n a_o notable_a greek_a father_n of_o our_o work_n confidence_n of_o our_o faith_n of_o our_o tentation_n of_o our_o patience_n etc._n etc._n yea_o we_o have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o scripture_n which_o must_v needs_o signify_v as_o much_o as_o bezaes_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o one_o be_v say_v in_o keep_v thy_o commandment_n be_v great_a reward_n again_o you_o shall_v receyve_v the_o retribution_n of_o inherimunce_n col._n 3._o v._n 24._o and_o 2._o thessaly_n 1._o v._n 6._o god_n repay_v just_a and_o reiribution_n of_o 〈◊〉_d hell_n or_o heaven_n for_o good_a and_o evil_a deserâ—es_n be_v express_v by_o the_o same_o word_n and_o by_o the_o other_o be_v say_v i_o have_v incline_v my_o hart_n to_o keep_v thy_o iustification_n or_o commandment_n always_o for_o reward_n 〈◊〉_d fulk_n 22._o if_o you_o can_v find_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o scripture_n you_o convince_v we_o of_o merit_n by_o bezaes_n judgement_n therefore_o tell_v we_o i_o pray_v you_o in_o what_o book_n and_o chapter_n we_o shall_v find_v it_o first_o you_o tell_v we_o that_o you_o find_v many_o word_n like_v unto_o it_o yea_o but_o neither_o the_o same_o nor_o any_o that_o be_v aequivalent_fw-la for_o render_v of_o reward_n which_o all_o your_o word_n do_v signify_v may_v be_v according_a to_o promise_v by_o grace_n and_o not_o by_o desert_n the_o confidence_n of_o our_o work_n that_o photius_n speak_v of_o must_v be_v understand_v as_o they_o be_v testimony_n of_o god_n sanctify_a spirit_n or_o else_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n the_o parable_n tell_v 17._o against_o they_o that_o trust_v in_o themselves_o that_o they_o be_v righteous_a whereas_o we_o must_v confess_v that_o we_o be_v unprofitable_a servant_n 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