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A40080 A friendly conference between a minister and a parishioner of his, inclining to Quakerism wherein the absurd opinions of that sect are detected, and exposed to a just censure / by a lover of truth. Fowler, Edward, 1632-1714. 1676 (1676) Wing F1706; ESTC R1363 82,434 183

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