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A19855 A detection of that sinnful, shamful, lying, and ridiculous discours, of Samuel Harshnet. entituled: A discouerie of the fravvdulent practises of Iohn Darrell wherein is manifestly and apparantly shewed in the eyes of the world. not only the vnlikelihoode, but the flate impossibilitie of the pretended counterfayting of William Somers, Thomas Darling, Kath. Wright, and Mary Couper, togeather with the other 7. in Lancashire, and the supposed teaching of them by the saide Iohn Darrell. Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562. 1600 (1600) STC 6283; ESTC S109292 232,635 230

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espied the honest man which had followed after her and then she full mannerlye and honestlie fell a knockinge Into the house she commeth Mary Cooper had then a litle childe standing at her knee in health and playinge Alice Freman desired to light acandle but Robert Cooper denyed her and asked her why she came to that house which of all other was by the Maior forbidden her Away goeth she without lighting her candle and as she went ouer the threshold the child which even now was so well and merry begane to be sicke and fell a scrighinge and sckreaminge and so continued for two dayes and then dyed Some questions might be heere asked which if they were fully answered would remoue some scruple which remayneth still in many as wherefore she went so so hastilie thether and being come peeped in after that manner wherefore to light a candle at that house rather then another It being the onely house which was by the magistrate forbidden her there beinge besides so many houses I know not how many betwixt her house and Coopers Coopers house also standinge out of the streete a good space into the churchyarde Moreover to what end she went to light a candle how that contradiction of hers may be salved To some she sayd she went with a candle from home only to light it and so to returne home and this her answeare was approued by the magistrates of Nottingham and yet can not be true the promisses cōsidered besids that which followeth ouerthroweth the same To others that she had lost pinnes in the churchyard would haue lighted her candle at Coopers house stiding in the churchyard to haue found some of them for it is oddes she had not found them all to sōe other this question being asked I her she answeared she had lost 2d in the churchyard and that she desired to find But it may be he that pursued her found that which she lost he would be examined therof but we must first know what she lost whether mony or pinnes It is a question also whether she went of purpose and made haste to lose somthing that after she might be occupied in seeking that she neuer lost It would be demaunded also why being denied to light her can there she went not to another house to light it that so she might haue gone about the seekinge of that whatsoeuer it was she desired so much to finde Surely either she had lost nothing or else she grew careles of that she had cared so much for newly before for she went presently to another house and a little while after home without returning to the churchyarde I might add here another suspitious matter against her concerning one George Spence by whose meanes in al probabillitie as I coulde shew but that I haste to an end he was so greiuously afflicted that very many were quicklie gathered about him and longe after continued troubled in his bodye after a straunge and vnnaturall manner I can tell also of a pretie pranck she playd after both these she cam on a time into the house of a man in Nottingham whose name I haue forgotten who carrieth Aquauitae vp and down the cuntrie his wife welcumed her with some shreud wordes for there be few in Notting which loue not her roome better then her company shee clasped her husband about the neck or backe and departed a strange kinde of salution The same daye the man went forth with his bottles on his backe● when he was gone forwarde about a mile or two in a fayre euen grene swerde waye backwarde fell he and brake his bottles there laye all the mans Aquavitae Back he comes for new bottles more aquavitae when he came at the very same place again it fel out with him iust as before If this was long of Alice Fremans imbracinge him the poore man I dare saye had as liue she had so kindly imbraced another as him for the louing salutation if I say it came from thence scathed him 4. nobles Home he cometh the second time after they two were made freindes he and his bottles escaped well I haue heard of more such like stories of Alice Freman as of one which falling out with her as she was at meate had lyke to haue bene choaked continued handled in that strange manner in her throate as I neuer hearde of the like before and that for the space of 5. howres or there abouts euen vntill Alice and shee were made cater-cousins and then loe she was as wel as might be and this was as it is saide and some other of this kinde before Somers saide she had a catt These things moued some to suspect Alice Freman of witchcraft and though not all yet parte of this was given ineuidence against her not Somers detecting of her for awitch whereof there was no speach before the Iudge and being done by the lying spirit was theirfore to be held for false slanderous or at lest to be suspected except evidēt proofe thereof might be had from men And heereof had M. Freman her kinsman well considered he would neue● haue laboured so much by himselfe and his frendes I meane his fellowe Commissioners to haue proued Somers a counterfeite therby to recouer as he thought the good name of his kinswoman Seeing the suspition of her witchcrafte relyed not at all of Somers detecting her for a witch but of matters of fact to be proued against her and that were Somers a counterfeite which he hath thirsted so much after the same woulde not free her from the said suspition The Disc parenthesis vz but vntruly is vntrue my frendes said very true if we vnderstand them of the time after Somers dispossession as they no doubt meant It is well knowne to the inhabitantes of Nott that before the detecting of Alice Freman for a witch Somers was not reported in Not. to be a dissembler nether produceth the Disco any thinge to the contrary onely himselfe saith the contrary whose testimonie I thinke no man will regard But to returne againe vnto Mary Cooper the Disc proceedeth etc. Discouerer M. Aldridge deposeth thus pag 322. Afterwardes she grew to be indifferently well and so doth continue onely she complayneth that she hath a kinde of stirring in her belly wherevnto the Disco addeth and is not otherwise troubled then it happeneth out vpon occasion with other weomen Darrell It is first to be obserued that parte of M. Aldridge deposition is wantinge afterwardes she grew well these wordes must needes haue relation to some before wherein something was said concerning her evilnes and for the confirmation of that I haue to that end before deliuered but the Disc thought good to smother all that as makeinge not for him but against him and this is vsuall with him 2. It is deposed that she hath a s●irring in her belly according to that I haue before affirmed and confessed that she is troubled as other women are vpon occasion
ham with better h●pe then before t● buy out his yeares th●ught it conuenient in his i●rney homewards to take Ashby in his way of purpo●e t● see M. Darrell whome he sound there as he saith 〈◊〉 had d●aling w●th him as followeth Vp●n my co●rning at that time to M. Darrell he asked me where I had bene wh●ther I was going● and wh●ther I had attempted to practise a●● of his in●●ructi●ns To whome I answered ac●ordine to his questions that I had no conu●nient time otherwise then when I was alone to doe any of those things th●n h● tould mee many things of the b●y of Burton whr● vp●n I sh●wing my s●lfe to haue a desire to goe and see him M. Dar said I sh●ud doe well in so doing because that seeing of him in his fitts I might the bett●r l●arn● to d●e them my selfe af●●rwar l●●b●ing thus incouraged I w●●t t● Burt●n where I sawe●● Da●ling but ●erceyning that a ●reate n●●b●● spe●ple came likewise to see him and ●●aring that some of them might knowe me I returned to Ashby not staying to see Darling in any of his fitts At my comming back againe to M. Darrell he demaunded of me● whether I had seene the boy many of his fitts I answered that I had no● for th● reason last mentioned which M. Darrell not well approuing said that I might well inough haue staid to haue seene some of them because ● was not likely that any there could haue knowne me Then vpon some further occasion of speaches betwixt vs M. Darrell deliuered vnto me in writing the particuler fitts which the said Thomas Darling lately had and did act the most of them himselfe before me we two being in the parke together alone by Ashby At that time also M. Darrell deliuered vnto mee in writing certaine signes and gestures which were to be vsed he said to signify sondry kindes of sinnes which gestures he did likewise act himselfe in the place before mentioned Then followeth the acting of certayne feates on his part and after that he thus procedeth These things thus finished I tould M. Darrell that I ment to returne to see if I coulde gett my selfe released from my maister and he approuing my purpose therin sayde that when the time serued I might well put all the former things in practise there with good effect and that in so doing he doubted not to procure mee a releas from my maister He also tould me that he hauing a sister in law in Not. on Mistris Wallys I could no soner name her whē I should be thought to be possessed but that presētly the rather by his sisters meāes he should be sent for to come vnto me so we departed And thus far So. quoth the Dis for the profe of all the former particulers wherwith Dar. is charged Darrell As in the two former pretended meetings so in this thirde neither Som. nor the Disc doe tell vs in what yeare of the Lorde or of the Queene we met which I desire the Reader to obserue They knew not be like what yeare to name least thereby they should disaduantage themselues Before we heard of no place where I shoulde giue these worthy instructions neither then nor now doe we heare of the certaine time wherin this should be done which dealing is like to his that accusing one to haue robbed him can neither name plac● where he robbed him nor the time when which accusation if it ●ho●ld be receaued as it is far from any Iudge so it woulde peraduenture trouble one were he neuer so innocent to cleare himselfe thereof But as before out of the Disc and So wordes vttered elswhere and to an other ende I haue will they nill t●ey founde out aboute what time our first pretended meeting and acquaintance shoulde begin though not the iust time and thereby clea●ed my selfe shew●d the falshood of his accusation euen so I trust to doe heere In the page before viz. 83. it is saide that the second time Some●rs rann from his maister was about a y●are and a hal●● before he fell to his practises at Nottingham and heere it is saide that vpon this his second running and after he had remayned in Essex a good part of a yeare we met in Ashb● parke in his returne from Essex to Nottingham Now to his said practises he fell at Nott. in October Anno 97 so that by So. and the Disc saying this our meeting in the parke was in the yeare ●● ●nd this the Disc page 94. though to an other ende con●esseth saying There meeting in th● pa●ke was little ab●ue a y●are before his pretended dispossess●●n at Nattingham but this his disposs●ssion pr●tended as he tearmeth it was vpon the 7. of Nouember 97. therefore this our meetinge must be if there were any such by the Discouerers owne confessyon in or about October 96. which possibly cannot be so for that at this saide meeting So. saith that I tould him many things of the boy of Burton and aduised him to goe and see him wherevppon he went to Burton and sawe Thomas Darling c. as is aforesaide than I deliuered vnto him in writing the particuler fitts which the saide Darling lately had c. nowe these things cannot possibly be true and so the accusation is notoriously false because Darling was not at that time possessed but dispossessed and deliuered from sathan and his vexation aboute halfe a yeare before this time and a yeare and a halfe before Somers dispossession as in the begining of his fift booke is made manifest On● saith he Thomas Darling dwelling at Burton pag. 265. vpon Trent beginning to be sick in February 1595. did afterwards take vpon him to dissemble certaine tricks wherein continuing till the weeke before Whitsontyde following he was deemed by M Darrell to be poss●ssed and the next day after as it is pretended was disposs●ssed From which time he continued well by the space of about eight dayes and then being at the schoole he fell againe to certaine tricks and perseuered in them by starts two dayes whilest it was pretended that sathan sought to repossesse him But synce he hath left those practises This appeareth also by the first and second pages of his booke If Darling were recouered and well so continuing or lefte his practises at the time the Disc mentioneth as the truth is and Som. dispossed vpon the 7. of Nouember 97. how can that which is heere reported be true So that the Disc hath againe in his Discouery discouered my innocency and the falshood of himselfe and So accusation And this is the seauenth tyme the Discouerer is conuynced by his owne Dis●ouery Moreouer where the Disc and Som. affirme that ●n his returne to Nottin●ham after his second running from his maister a little aboue a yeare before his pretended disposs●ssion wee mett in Ashby parke and that there I taught him I am able and offer to prooue by sundrye witnesses that So. after his second vagary or
such strength and such admirable and manifold faytes as is manifest they or the deuill did And this is the sixteneth time the Discouerer is convinced by his owne Discouery Discouerer When Mistris Graye saith Mary Cooper and the rest of her companye came about me pag 318. sayinge and reportinge that I should be deliuered of some m●nstrous thing I laughed hartely at their folly and this my laughinge they termed my fite and would cry out now Lord blesse her she is in asore fitt The which theire foolish wonderinge made me laugh more and more and tho more I laughed they more they cryed Lord haue mercy vpon her she is in a strang fitt besides when I had laughed till my harte was 〈◊〉 at them because my strength was spent with laugh●ng then would the wh●le company of weomen namely Mistris Gray and the re●● cry out 〈…〉 her lord b●●sse her Lord I●sus haue mercy vpon her now she is in a trau●e Darrell VVe haue heard before of Mary Cooper being with child and that after she had continued so many weekes in apperance she ●ed 〈◊〉 au●ing wherevpon diuers neighbour weomen among them M●stres Cray being first requeste● accordinge to the cust●me came 〈◊〉 said trauel and how it went with her theirin very extraordinarily in so much as they weomen present theirat conceiued she would haue bene deliuer●d of some monstrous thing as is here confe●●ed ●he Disc now telleth vs in the person and deposition of Mary Cooper which I know he would haue men beleue to be true that she did nothing but laugh and this laughing they termed her fitt were not these wise weomen which seeing a woman onely laugh did theirvpon thinke that she was in trauel and not onely so but imagin●a that she woul● b● d●●iuered of some monster and theirvpon cried vnto the lord to haue mer●y on her Againe it is say de that Mary Cooper was 〈◊〉 and truly euill at ease It is incredible then that beinge sicke she should thus excee●e in laughing Surely if Calphurnius were aliue of whom the Poet saith pleno ridet Calphurnius ore and should reade this ri●iculous depos●u●n he would not onely laugh with open mouth theirat but as it is saydhere of Mary Cooper laugh till his har●● were sore Had not the Disc solde himselfe to all impudencie and shameles gaynsaying the truth would he euer haue affirmed much lesse published to the world that Mary Cooper did at her traueile whereof we haue harde nothinge but laug● But as the Dis doth here extenuate or rather make iust nothinge of the rare and greuous effectes which Sathan wrought vpon the ●ody of Mary Cooper at the time of her supposed trau●● 〈◊〉 hat● be do●e the like before to his vttermest throughout his Discouery by other as strange and greiuous effectes which the euil● 〈◊〉 in Somers Darling and Katherine Wright sent forth and this is aboue all thinges to be obserued by the reader for heerein principally lyeth ●is ●eceite Secondly as heere he doth this besides impiously very absurdly and in ridiculous manner so vsually before For instance Somers 〈◊〉 I did foame excessiuely pag 23● it is true quoth the Disc and his deponentes but it was when he had blacke lead in his mouth c. Discouerer You heare in this deposition s●me ●ention of the Iudge● pag 〈…〉 whervpon it is to remember vnto you what a very strange and malitious practise was vnder taken to haue procured the death of apore wom●● o●e Alice Freman vpon pretence that she was a witch This A●ce Freeman was one of those whom Somers had named for witches and is alied to M. Freeman an Alderman and Iustice of peace in Nottingham It is said but vntruly by some of M. Darrels frendes that before the detecting of Alice Freeman for a witch it was not reported in Nottingham that Somers was a dissembler theirby inferring that the offence taken by her detection was the cause that raysed vp aslaunder for sooth of Somers dissimulation The practise was to charge the sayd poore women Alice Fr●eman to haue bewitched to death the child of Mary Cooper and that she likewise was the cause of the sayde Maries trouble and vexation as haueing bewitched her in like manner which conceite being thrust into Mary Coopers head she was arraigned M. Darrell was one amongst diuers that gaue in evidence against the woman grounding himselfe much vpon Somers detecting of her for a witch matters were so prosecuted against her as had not the Iudges in their wisdome discerne ●omwhat it is verily thought the poore woman being found guiltie by the great enquest had bene condemned to death Darrell Seeing the Disc will iustifie Alice Freeman and together with her kinsman M Freeman haue her to be a very innocent to haue bene without cause through the mallice forsoth of some accu●ed of witch crafte let vs therfore see what may be sayd concerning her not that I will charg her with witchcraft but that we may see she is not altogether so free from all suspition of witchcraft as the Disco and her kinsman pretend and that there was iust cause of the proceedinges vsed against her In the beginning of December 97. presently after the discouerie of this Alice Freeman among other persons for a witch by Somers or rather by the deuill vsinge his tongue she the said Alice comming into the house of Robert Cooper father in law to Somers and to Mary Cooper his sister some angrie wordes the sayd Mary gaue her callinge her a witch The night following but how it came to passe I know not Mary Cooper felt a stiring within her belly as if their were some quicke thinge her belly swelling which was sensible to others and the other greuous vexations wherof we haue heard before growing vpon her by little and little pag 3 ● To this stirring M. Aldridge hath de●●sed afterwards she grue to be indifferently well and so doth continue onely she complayneth that she hath a kind of stirring in her b●lly But if Alce Freeman together with her familiar spirit caused Mary Coopers strange and fearefull vexations then it was thought that her mallice did not sta●e it selfe there but reached to her onely child that so shee might be further revenged of her and herevpon this suspition di● arise About 10 dayes after the former iarre in a faire mone shine euēninge Alice Freeman went from her owne house to Robert Cooper his house One seeinge her and maruelinge to see her trudg so fast that could so ill beinge avery ougly old ●ame woman doe it followed whott foote after her and dogged her VVhen she was come to the aforesaid house she did not forthwith knocke at the dore as the manner of well meaning people is but peepes first at the chinckes of the doore then went she to the window and thus she continued playing at bo-peepe a good while and yet she is no child but a well aged woman At length she
then sure there was somethinge besides her laughing which so affected the women met at her aforesaide trauaile pag 323. Discouerer The authour of the Breife Narration writeth in this sorte what goodly stuffe they meaninge the Discouerer and his fellow Commissioners haue returned time and mallice will make knowne vnto vs. The stuffe such as it is vile indeed his Maistershippe may be pleased now to pervse and theirby reape some profite if he read it with no greater mallice then it was written Darrell The Narrator I dare saye was neither Prophet nor the sonne of a Prophet and yet herein he did foretel that which after cam to passe The stuffe that S. Harsn●t and his fellowe commissioners haue returned him selfe confesseth is vile indede and sure so it is yea as vile I am perswaded as euer was returned since England was a nation for what is that stuffe but an heape of false foolish ridiculus and absurde thinges witnessed vpon the oathes of men ●ome few depontions excepte ● But is this all that doth make this stuffe vile no hereby it is made more vile in that this vile stuffe was compassed by the cunning perswasions and threates of the commissioners men for the present and this acte in authoritie and such as ●hold rather haue done their indeuours to haue preserued then drawen the deponents to periurye But is here all no the stuffe returned and publyshed to the worlde is made more vile by the Discouerer his additions detractions and alterations being therby made farr worse then at the first it was delyuered But is this all that maketh this stuffe vile no no all this stuffe hath bene compassed and produced not against man but against the Lorde himselfe not indeede to finde out any counterfeiting and teachinge to counterfeite whereof there is no more question or doubt to be made then whether it be daye light at noone in the fayrest sun-shine daye in somer but to obscure the workes of god and to keep his people from beleuing them to be such because they were brought to passe by such as the Discouerer despisetn and hatetn and woulde fame haue al men to hate and despise And this is it that maketh this stuffe out of measure vile execrable and abominable in the sight of god and therefore ought so to be reputed of all his people Yea if we the inhabitantes of England be the lords people or inheritance as we professe we can not but so account hereof will therfore by al good meanes accordinge to our places further thire puni●hment and our vice Godes which are here on earth in Gods steade will take vengance of these traitors rebels against God for this vnspeakable dishonor done to him and this treason or rebellion of theires in takinge parte with sathan his enemie the God and prince of this worlde who in some extraordinary manner in risen vp against these workes of God against the Lorde himselfe 〈◊〉 Yf it be said by some in authoritie that if it may be made to appeare that these thinges are true they will not endure them but seuerely pvnnish these commissioners I in all humillitie offer to make profe of these thinges I doe not s●v o● every ●erticula● because it may be som● witnesses will fa●le to witnes that th●● know to be true haue formerly confessed and generally of whatsoeuer I haue set downe in this my Apollogie or defence of the workes of God and of my selfe and if herein I fayle I refuse no punnishment In the meane season it is to be remembred whereof these worthy commissioners examined such as were by them deposed surely for the most parte of such thinge as might serue to proue theire foolish absurd and ridiculus cir●n●stances and to this end vsualy they deposed them concerning the speaches that I should vtter in the hearing forsooth or presence of S●n. And how long before should I haue spoken the●e thinges 〈◊〉 a yeare yea some of them about 14. yeares then past were not here good memories that could remember the very wordes they hearde so long before speciallie the same little or nothing concerning them and being not worthy t●e remembring yea the iust 〈◊〉 whe● they were spoken In the masse o● depositions I thinke we scarsly haue six times th● worde or any 〈◊〉 this effect and that ●o perfectly as they nede not to 〈◊〉 cause so 〈◊〉 they remember or other to this effect One would thinke it had bene fitter men should haue bene examined concerning the actions of Som● then of my speaches and o● the strange and extraordinarie thinges they had seene in him 〈◊〉 happenly they had sene any as 〈…〉 commissioners did for thereby only it would be made 〈…〉 out of controuersie by the 〈◊〉 of men whether Som. 〈…〉 It is be obiected that here of they did depose such as were examined by the 12 Commissioners I answere and confesse that they did so indeed by diuers of them but the Disc hath kept back and buried all that some of them affirmed the seconde time vpon their oathes and in manner all that the rest then deposed as is made manifest by my answere to the 8. chapter of the 3. booke so that the cause is not bettered there 〈◊〉 the Disc is made the more sin●ull Concerninge the depositions published to the worlde vnder my name this is it we must knowe that howsoeuer for the substance of 〈◊〉 they ●e mine yet many of them as they be produced by the Disc are not mine some he hath fathered vpon me I hauing deposed 〈◊〉 thinge whe● I depos●d doubtfully with there wordes 〈…〉 or other to 〈◊〉 effect which vsually I did the Discouerer 〈…〉 seth p●duceth me 〈…〉 times ●ge● m●●n depo●●nge d●●nfully 〈…〉 as I beleiue nor yet neuer bene examined thereof others ●e hath corrupted sometimes adding sometimes omitting or keeping back that which is ver●●ateria●● and by this his corrupt dealinge with my depositio●s on the one syde and the like with the depo●itions of his owne depo●●ts on the other syde he maketh greate shewe to the world of 〈◊〉 w●ere none is Now this per●ury he meaneth to me for why I●● but one and the Disc produceth ordinarily 3. or 4. or more deposing the contrary And are not diuers to be beleued before one I answer not alwayes and in all cases Against Paul Ana●●as the hig● preist with the Elders and sertuilus and I know not nowe man ●ewes besides witnessed before the iudgment seate an I would no doubt haue ●eposed that he was a p●stilent ●edow and a ●ouer of sedition the cōtrary only Paul a pore prisoner affirmed yet the truth was with this sole man 〈…〉 Euen ●o it may be and I would be sorrie it were not in this our present case And here it is not to be forgotten that my selfe being first deposed S. Harsnet we●t down with his commission after his intergatories being framed according to the things I had formerlie deposed and there endeuoured