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A37343 A declaration for Ireland, or no declaration the way to reduce that kingdom to the obedience of the crown of England. With reasons wherefore the despoiled Protestants should receive some reparation out of the forfeited lands of the Irish Papists now in rebellion. Licensed Spetember 2. 1689. J.F. J. F. 1689 (1689) Wing D578; ESTC R215265 5,877 6

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A Declaration for Ireland Or no DECLARATION The way to reduce that Kingdom to the Obedience of the Crown of ENGLAND With Reasons wherefore the Despoiled Protestants should receive some Reparation out of the Forfeited Lands of the Irish Papists now in Rebellion Licensed September 2. 1689. J. F. SIR ACcording to your desire I herein freely give you my thought of that great Question which so much concerns the King his Government and the Protestant Interest which is the readiest way to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland Is a Declaration or no Declaration I● a Declaration shall it consist all of Terms or Tenders of Grace and Favour on laying down of Arms which seems to have obtained the Approbation of some Or shall there be instances of Justice made by excepting the chiefest and most notorious of those of the Irish Papists now in Rebellion which seems to be the general sense and humble desires of the Protestant Lords and Gentlemen of Ireland And I humbly conceive with submission to better Judgments and the resolves of our Superiors that a Declaration is necessary for these Reasons First If no Declaration go with the Army this will make all the whole Nation of the Irish as well those who are not of the Army as those who are alike desperate and that by no means seems advisable for they are too many They will be all desperate because by the cunning of the Priests they have all been involv'd in Guilt all Arm'd that came to Mass and all ingag'd in the Plundering and Robbing of the Protestants and being thus conserous to themselves and perswaded by the Priests and Gentry that there is no Mercy to be expected for them there being no assurance of protection or incouragement for them to continue in their Dwellings and Occupations Hereupon the Husbandman Ploughman and Labourer with what little Corn or Cattle they have will fly before the English Army into the Irish Quarters and unto Bogs and Mountains and such great numbers betake themselves to the Towns as in the former War that by their multitude a Famine will soon come amongst them and that probably as heretofore be followed with a Plague The consequence of which will be not only the present wasting and depopulating of the Countrey but for many years the same will continue Untill'd and there will be a scarcity of Corn for t is the Irish that do Plough three parts of four if not more of the three Provinces and one half at least of the fourth and 't is but some of the best of the English in the Countrey do Plough only for their own use and the meaner sort of Protestants cannot fare so hardly as the Irish who live upon Milks and Potatoes as to be able to raise any Rent by Ploughing Corn being so cheap in that Kingdom there being so much more Land than Inhabitants But also the Nobility and Gentry will not for many years to come be able to raise their Rents unto half the value their Estates yielded them of late years except those Farmers and Ploughmen of the Irish be taken into protection and retained in their Dwelling and Occupations by a Declaration Secondly A Declaration is necessary to assure the greatest part of those who are in Arms of mercy and protection on their submission there being no Assurance now remaining to them from the Declaration of Feb. 22. 1685. which they rejected and having no certainty of their lives but that they may escape for their number and they may not but be destroyed which they have deserved This uncertainty and the guilt they have contracted by Robberies c. will keep them in●ire in their resistance to the la●t Thirdly A Declaration is necessary for the incouragement of the Protestants that they may see His Majesties care for their Restoration to their Estates and for some reparation for their losses who otherwise are utterly consumed and irreparably beggar'd and in vain is it for such to return and indeavour to plant Ireland but must continue Servants or Beggars here in England except they are relieved and ass●…ted out of the forfeited Lands As to the second Question I humbly conceive some instances of Justice must be made and some o● the Chief excepted from their Estates for these Reasons Omitting several Arguments that have been discoursed of as the reasonableness of discouraging future Rebellions and that this will not obtain the end intended of reducing that Kingdom for the Estated Men who have armed all the rest may lay down their Arms and others carry on the War with greater vigour c. I humbly conceive 1. 'T is not for the Kings Honour a second time to prostitute His Grace and Mercy in a general Offer to all without exception 2. This His Majesties Lenity will but make them more insolent as in all Ages instances have been given and more may for let none perswade the King that there ever was the least spark of good Nature or Ingenuity appearing in the Irish Nation or that any thing but the dread of a terrible revenge from God and Man keeps those Bloody Irish Papists from a general Massacre of all the Protestants within their power or that they ever made other use of all the Grace and Favour by which they have had Honours and Estates conferr●d upon them by the Crown of England after they have been Conquered and Subdued but to take hold of the first opportunity they ever have to murder and destroy the English and Protestants and to cast off the Government of England and every time by a more universal and malicious Rebellion than the former and they will construe this to be out of fear or the urgency of His Majesties Affairs which proceeds from the greatness and goodness of His Royal Heart towards those who have plung'd themselves in this general Rebellion 3. If they are not now weaken'd in their Estates and the Protestants by those Estates in some measure repair'd and strengthen'd I mean those who are consumed by this late Rebellion their substance for the most part consisting in Stock His Majesties Revenue will not recover in many years sufficient to maintain an Army to defend that Kingdom and next no Militia will be to assist the standing Army in that Countrey for many years 1. His Majesties Revenue will not recover to any considerable degree for many years for it was this sort of English Farmers who stock●ng their Land with Sheep and black Cattle as the Irish generally followed the Plough traded with their Wooll their Butter and Cheese their Hides Beef and Tallow which with Leather are the staple Commodities of the Kingdom and the subject matter of the Trade and Exportations which being answere with Importations of other Commodities of Wine Cloth Silk Stuff Grocery Wares and other Goods from England were the Fund of His Majesties Revenue of the Customs and Excise all which Goods for Exportation are consumed by these Robbers and the vast Armies rais'd in Ireland by Tyrconnel
and his Adherents But may not this loss be soon made up by others as English and Dutch c. I answer Strangers to the Countrey and to the Nature of the Soyl know not how to turn them they will find it difficult to pay the Quitrent or Crown Re●● in most places it is grown into a Proverb That a man must be undone in Ireland before he thrives even those who bring good Stocks with them out of England So necessary is experience in the Climate Soyl Trade Markets manner of Living c. besides the right and property by Lease is Vested in these consumed and despoiled Protestants and those of them who have not Leases of their Lands at easie Rents such as they way be able to raise out of their Farms when as●…ed by the Forfeited Lands will look upon themselves as intituted in Conscience and Equity to have preference to the Tenancy of their Lands and Abatements of their Rents to such an easie rate as they may be able to pay the same until the Kingdom be better planted and Trade improved Besides French and Dutch are for Manufactures which is the Form of Trading and most desirable but the●e despoi●ed Protestants are conversant in Commodities that are the matter of Trade and matter must always of necessity precede form 2. Without these despoiled Protestants be assisted by the Forfeited Lands in their Planting and Stocking of the Countrey there can be no considerable Militia in the Kingdom of Ireland for several years for these men the Body of the Militia and especially of the Horse the Landed men were generally Officers these in one County made 22 or 23 Troops of Horse and throughout the Kingdom between 4 and 5000 Horse besides 13 or 14000 Foot now instead of Horse Arms and Accoutrements they want Bread and will not have Shoes to walk on Foot except assisted and provided out of the Forfeited Lands The consequence of this want of Revenue in Ireland and of a considerable Militia of the Inhabitants is evident that the charge and burthen of an Army to retain that Kingdom when 't is gotten to the Crown of England must wholly he upon the Kingdom of England and this may bring His Majesties Affairs into disorder and in a little time prove very burthensome to the people of England and as f●r want of a Revenue in Ireland England must be at double the charge to pay the Army in Ireland So for want of the Militia such as formerly they h●d the King must have double the number of men in the Standing Army to preserve that Kingdom and in a word the King must be at near four times more charge in maintaining His Army in Ireland unless this course be taken in restoring and repairing the despoiled Protestants and with them the Revenue and Militia of that Kingdom Besides as 't is the best Husbandry in his Majesty thus to dispose of the Forfeited Lands and will turn to His Majesties great and speedy advantage so there is a kind of Justice that these consumed Protestants should be repair'd out of the Forfeited Lands to His Maiesty in this Rebellion For this reason that besides they are the Martyrs and Sufferers for all the Protestants of the thee Kingdoms they have been destroy'd by those very men who were Owners of these Forfeited Lands for they have armed the Souldiers and the Rabble and incourag●d them to Plunder and Rob to provide for the Armies these Forfeiting Persons rais'd and undertook to maintain for three Months and the only Fund they had for so doing was the Substance and Stocks of these despoiled Protestants now seeing the Protestants cannot Sue these Forfeiting Persons at Law or if they could their Estates being Forfeited cannot be liable to their Judgments and Executions in the Kings Hands can there be any thing more equitable if not just than that some reparation and satisfaction be made these despoiled Protestants out of the Estates of those that spoiled them c. From these considerations amongst many others it appears 't is necessary and just the King should except the Chief and most Notorious of the Irish Rebels or else these men shall have no Fund for any satisfaction and next that some part of the Forfeited Lands as may be advised by Parliament may go towards such their reparation But who are those most notorious Persons and why these named more than others I answer The Lords of the Council publickly appointed the Lords Gentlemen of Ireland to bring in a List for that they best were acquainted with the persons and what they have done to deserve to be excepted hereupon these Lords and Gentlemen to the number of many Grand-juries have Publickly and Unanimously two or three dissenting agreed to return this list and have left out others in order to raise a lealousy amongst them to the intent to divide them thereby and those who are omitted may be in a capacity to do considerable service to instance a few the Earl of Clanrickard about Galway the Earl of Tyrone about Waterford Lord Brittas near Lymmerick Lord Nettervil near Droghedah and many more They have named none but those of whose carriage and deportment they have receive evidence from several of their number and altho' his Majesty and Council unto whom all must be humbly submitted may omit all or alter them as they think fit yet there seems these reasons to the contrary and to hold to this number in the presented List First It is most certain this work will never be so indifferently and impartially done again either for his Majesties service or general satisfaction For that List which was made immediately upon the Lords and Gentlemen parting from the Council-Chamber was done without design or particular pique but those who were named were known to all the Assembly to be the chief Ring-leaders in this mischievous Rebellion and their particular actions related by those present without any time to deliberate on any sinister design Secondly The King will avoid troublesom Importunities and those about him undesirable Reflections and if the chiefest should be omitted who have been most malicious and destructive of the Protestants the same may be resented by the Parliament in Ireland as a great Grievance and beget ill Blood if not troublesom Remonstrances and Addresses To instance the Two Chief amongst them next Tyrconnel are the Earl of Clancarty in the one end of Ireland and the Earl of Antrim in the other these two having the greatest Estates and the most Followers and Dependants and Tenants have raised the most Men and despoiled more of the English and Protestants than twenty others and especially the former Now 't is whisper'd this is a young Man and hath an excellent Mother his Mothers Estate will not be toucht but he is not so young but he has been guilty of a barbarous Murder is an Apostate from his Religion that he was bred in under his good Mother and the Bishop of Oxford has followed his grand Father his Uncle and exceeded them in their persecution and destruction of the Protestants meerly for being Protestants These Families were the chief Actors in the bloody and fatal Rebellion in 1641 have receiv'd Honours Estates since more than their own and are capable at any time to do more mischief than 20 other Noblemen who may be named and shall their Malice and Cruelty be let loose a third time to worry the Protestants and manage another Rebellion within the memory of Man God forbid may the King forbid it and the Lords of his Council and all good Protestants must needs say Amen To conclude that I may keep within the bounds of a letter to may observation this is the Universal Groan of the Protestant Nobility and Gentry of Ireland and I make no doubt but in all the applications and importunities in favour of the Irish his Majesty will remember this one great and necessary Truth That if the King and his Council upon this General Rebellion and Universal Revolt from the Crown of England do not take the Advantage effectually to weaken the Irish Popish Interest in Ireland The Protestants there will ever hereafter live in extreamest dread and danger and consequently none will reside there who can have Bread in any other Country with security and the King and Kingdom of England be never freed from infinite CHARGE and TROUBLE infinite EXPENCE of BLOOD and TREASURE by which the whole Protestant Interest will be s o effectually weakened that it will be ALWAYS in hazard of a TOTAL Subversion and Destruction Yours c. Since the writing this Letter I met with a Pamphlet Licensed the 30th of August with an Immodest Reflection on the Lords and Gentlemen to whom the forming of a Declaration was referr'd which if it be not an Arrow drawn out of a Popish Quiver 't is feather'd with Pride and ill Nature And how frivolous is that Exception that they have not consulted those Noblemen and Gentlemen of Ireland who are now hazarding their Lives in that service it being impossible to consult their persons 'T is evident they have their Interest for who will be so desirous as those honourable Lords and Gentlemen to gain some Interest in Ireland worthy their great hazards or who have more reason than the Parliament and People of England to expect some further Assurance of that Kingdom that may be worthy of their vast Expence of Blood and Treasure And would not as our Reflector that the Irish inricht and made strong with the Spoils of the Protestants the greatest number of whom they have utterly beggar'd may have it in their power to lay down for the present and take up their Arms again as soon as the French on pretence of the late King or the Prince of Wales may offer an opportunity and then all the Hazards Charges and Expences will be cast away to no purpose as often heretofore has been After which the Protestant Interest must again win Ireland whatever it cost of lose England Published by Rich. Janeway in Queens-Head-Ally in Pater-Noster-Row 1689.