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A54191 A perswasive to moderation to dissenting Christians in prudence and conscience humbly submitted to the King and his great council by one of the humblest and most dutiful of his dissenting subjects. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1685 (1685) Wing P1337A; ESTC R28423 35,496 61

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Insecuring that it preserv'd the Tranquility of the Empire Nor till the time of Celestine Bishop of Rome were the Novations disturbed And the Persecution of them and the Assumption of the secular Power began much at the same time But the Novations at Constantinople were not so dealt withal for the Greek Bishops continued to permit them the quiet enjoyment of their dissenting Assemblies as Socrates tells us in his fifth and seventh Book of Ecclesiastical Story I shall descend nearer our own times for notwithstanding no Age has been more furiously moved then that which Jovianus found and therefore the Experiment of Indulgence was never better made yet to speak more in view of this time of day we find our Contemporaries of remoter Judgments in Religion under no manner of difficulty in this point The Grand Signior great Mogul Zars of Mnscovia King of Persia the great Monarchs of the East have long allow'd and prosper'd with a Toleration And who does not know that this gave Great Tamerlan his mighty Victories In these Western Countries we see the same thing Cardinal d'Ossat in his 92d Letter to Villroy Secretary to H●nry the fourth of France gives us Doctrine and Example for the Subject in hand Besides says he that Necessity has no Law be it in what case it will our Lord Jesus Christ instructs us by his Gospel To let the Tares alone lest removing them may endanger the Wheat That other Catholick Princes have allow'd it without Rebuke That particularly the Dake of Savoy who as great a Z●●●ot as he would be thought for the Catholick Religion Tolerates the Hereticks in three of his Provinces namely A●groyne Luerne and Perose That the King of Poland does as much not only in Sweedland but in Poland itself That all the Princes of the Austrian Family that are celebrated as Pillars of the Catholick Church do the like not only in the Town of the Empire but in their proper Territories as in Austria it self from whence they take the Name of their Honour In Hungary Bohemia Moravia Lusatia Stirria Camiolia and Croatia the like That Charles ' the fifth Father of the King of Spain was the Person that taught the King of France and other Princes how to yield to such Emergencies That his Son the present King of Spain who is esteemed Arch Catholick and that is as the Atlas of the Catholick Church Tolerates notwithstanding at this day in his Kingdomes of Valentia and Granada the Moors themselves in their M●humatisme and has offer'd to those of Zealand Holland and other Hereticks of the Low-Countries the free Exercise of their pretended Religion so that they will but acknowledge and Obey him in Civil Matters It was of those Letters of this extraordinary Man for so he was whether we regard him in his Ecclesiastical Dignity or his greater Christian and Civil Prudence that the great Lord Fulkland said A Minister of State should no more be without Cardinal d' Ossat's Letters than a Parson without his Bible And indeed if we look into France we shall find the Indulgence of those Protestants hath been a flourishing to that Kingdom as their Arms a Succour to their King 'T is true that since they help't the Ministers of his Greatness to Success that haughty Monarch has changed his Measures and resolves their Conformity to his own Religion or their Ruin but no man can give another Reason for it than that he thinks it for his turn to please that part of his own Church which are the present necessary and unwearied Instruments of his absolute Glory But let us see the end of this Conduct it will require more time to approve the Experiment As it was the Royal Saying of Stephen King of Poland That he was a King of Men and not of Conscience a Commander of Bodies and not of Souls So we see a Toleration has been practised in that Country of a long time with no ill Success to the State the Cities of Cracovia Racovia and many other Towns of Note almost wholly dissenting from the common Religion of the Kingdom which is Roman Catholick as the others are Socinian and Calvanist the most opposite to that as well as to themselves The King of Denmark in his large Town of Altona but about a Mile from Hambrough and therefore called so that is All to near is a pregnant proof of our point For though his Seat be so remote from that place and another strong and insinuating State so near yet under his Indulgence of divers Perswasions they enjoy that Peace and he that Security that he is not upon better Terms in any of his more Immediate and Vniform Dominions I leave it to the thinking Reader if it be not much owing to this Freedom and that a contrary course were not the way for him to furnish his Neighbours with means to Depopulate that place or make it uneasie and chargeable to him to keep If we look into other parts of Germany where we find a Stout and War-like People fierce for the thing they opine or believe we shall find the Prince Palatine of the Rhine safe and more potent by his Indulgence 〈◊〉 his Improvements at M●nhine And as believe me 〈◊〉 the Prince to his People in other things so in this to the Empire for he has made bold with the Constitution of it in the Latitude he gives his Subjects in this Affair The Duke of Bradenburg is himself a Calvanist his People mostly Lutherain yet in part of his Dominions the Roman-Catholicks enjoy their Churches quietly The Duke of Newburg and a strict Roman Catholick Brother-in-Law to the present Emperor in his Province of Juliers has not only at Dewsburg Mulheim and other places but in Deuseldorp it self where the Court resides Lutherain and Calvanist as well as Roman Catholick Assemblies The Duke of Saxony by Religion a Lutherain in his City of Budissin has both Lutherains and Roman Catholicks in the same Church parted only by a Grate In Ausburg they have two chief Magistrates as their Duumvirat one must alwayes be a Roman Catholick and the other a Lutherain The Bishop of Osnabrug is himself a Lutherain and in the Town of his Title the Roman Catholicks as well as Lutherains have their Churches and which is more the next Bishop must be a Catholick too for like the Buckets in the Well they take turns one way to be sure so that one be but in the Right From hence we will go to Sultzbach a small Territory but has a great Prince I mean in his own extraordinary Qualities for among other things we shall find him act the Moderator among his People By profession he is a Roman Catholick but has Simultaneum Religionis Exercitium not only Lutherains and Roman Catholicks enjoy their different Worships but alternatively in one and the same place the same day so ballancing his Affection by his Wisdom that there appears neither Partiality in him nor Envy in them though of such opposite Perswasions I
case of the meanest Person in a Kingdom Nor is this all the benefit that attends the Crown by the preservation of Civil Rights for the Power of the Monarchy is kept more entire by it The King has the benefit of his Whole People and the Reason of their Safety is owing to their Civil and not Ecclesiastical Obedience Their Loyalty to Caesar and not Conformity to the Church Whereas the other Opinion would have it that no Conformity to the Church no Property in the State Which is to clog and narrow the civil Power for at this rate No Church-Man No English-man and no Conformist no Subject A way to Alien the King's People and practise an Ecclusion upon him from it may be a fourth part of his Dominions Thus it may happen that the ablest State-man the bravest Captain and the best Citizen may be disabled and the Prince forbid their Imployment to his Service Some Instances of this we have had since his late Majesties Restoration For upon the first Dutch-War Sir William Penn being commanded to give in a List of the ablest Sea-Officers in the Kindom to serve in that Expedition I do very well remember he presented our present King with a Catalogue of the knowingest and bravest Officers the Age had bred with this subscrib'd These men if his Majesty will please to admit of their Perswasions I will answer for their Skill Courage and Integrity He pickt them by their Ability not their Opinions and he was in the right for that was the best way of doing the King's business And of my own knowledge Conformity robb'd the King at that time of Ten men whose greater Knowledge and Valour than some one ten of that Fleet had in their room been able to have saved a Battel or perfected a Victory I will name three of them The first was Old Vice-Admiral Goodson than whom no body was more Stout or a Sea-man The second Captain Hill that in the Saphire beat Admiral Everson hand to hand that came to the Relief of old Trump The third was Captain Potter that in the constant Warwick took Captain Beach after eight hours smart Dispute And as evident it is that if a War had proceeded between this Kingom and France seven years ago the business of Conformity had deprived the King of many Land-Officers whose share in the late Wars of Europe had made knowing and able But which is worst of all such are not safe with their dissent under their own extraordinary Prince For though a man were a great Honourer of his Prince a Lover of his Country an Admirer of the Government In the course of his Life sober wise industrous and useful if a Dissenter from the establish't Form of Worship in that condition there is no Liberty for his Person nor Security to his Estate As Vseless to the Publick so Ruin'd in himself For this Net catches the best Men true to their Conscience and who indulged are most like to be so to their Prince whilst the rest are left to Cousen him by their change for that is the unhappy end of forced Conformity in the poor spirited Compliers And this must always be the consequence of necessitating the Prince to put more and other Tests upon his People than are requisit to secure him of their Loyalty And when we shall be so happy in our measures as to consider this Mischief to the Monarchy it is to be hop'd it will be thought expedient to dis-intangle Property from Opinion and cut the untoward Knot some men have tyed that hath so long hamper'd and gaul'd the Prince as well as People It will be then when civil Punishments shall no more follow Church faults that the civil Tenure will be recover'd to the Government and the Natures of Acts Rewards and Punishments so distinguish't as Loyalty shall be the safety of Dissent and the whole People made useful to the Government It will perhaps be objected That Dissenters can hardly I obliged to be true to the Crown and so the Crown unsafe in their very Services for they may easily turn the Power given them to serve it against it to greaten themselves I am willing to obviate every thing that may with any pretence be offer'd against our entreated Indulgence I say No and appeal to the King himself against whom the Prejudices of our late Times ran highest and therefore has most reason to resent If he was ever better lov'd or serv'd than by the Old Roundheaded Sea-men the Earl of Sandwich Sir William Penn Sir J. Lawson Sir G. Ascue Sir R. Stainer Sir Jer. Smith Sir J. Jordan Sir J. Harmon Sir Chris. Minns Captain Sansum Cuttins Clark Robinson Molton Wager Tern Parker Haward Hubbard Fen Langhorn Daws Earl White to say nothing of many yet living of real Merit and many inferior Officers expert and brave And to do our Prince Justice he deserv'd it from them by his Humility Plainness and Courage and the care and affection that he always shew'd to them If any say That most of these men were Conformists I presume to tell them I know as well as any man they serv'd the King never the better for that on the contrary 't was all the strife that some of them had in themselves in the doing that service that they must not serve him without it and if in that they could have been Indulged they had perform'd it with the greatest Alacrity Interest will not lye Where People find their Reckoning they are sure to be True For 't is want of Wit that makes any man false to himself 'T was he that knew all mens Hearts that said Where the Treasure is there the Heart will be also Let men be easie safe and upon their preferment with the prince and they will be Dutiful Loyal and most Affectionate Mankind by nature fears Power and melts at Goodness Pardon my Zeal I would not be thought to plead for Dissenters Preferment 't is enough they keep what they have and may live at their own Charges Only I am for having the Prince have Room for his choice and not be crampe and stinted by Opinion but imploy those who are best able to serve him And I think out of six Parties 't is better picking than out of one of them and therefore the Prince's interest is to be head of all of them which a Toleration effects in a moment since those six divided Interests within themselves having but 〈◊〉 civil Head become one intire civil Body to the Prince And I am sure I have Monarchy on my side if Solomon and his Wisdom may stand for it who tells us That the Glory of a King is in the Multitude of his People Nor is this all for the Consequences of such an Universal Content would be of infinite moment to the security of the Monarchy both at Home and Abroad At Home for it would behead the factions without Blood and Banish the Ring-leaders without going abroad When the great bodies of Dissenters see